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by The Sherpa Empire » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:03 pm
by Blood Wine » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:21 pm
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
by Heraswed » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:53 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:This is not the GA, this is the SC. Very separate bodies.
by Heraswed » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:08 pm
Bedetopia wrote:Heraswed wrote:
Previously, the laws governing the Confederation restricted rulers from aligning with leftist ideology. However, more recently Imperial Law was relaxed and only encourages right-wing ideologies. It's really just a pro-authoritarian haven now.
As for communist/fascist cohabitation, they don't need to hate each other, and often nationalist movements have evolved into communist groups so the two are closer than you'd think. Economic policy is also similar, however Mussolini stated that Fascist economic policy should be flexible and not plagued by ideological commitments which opposes Communist policy.
Interesting. Although I think that while it makes sense in theory, in practice they are divided.
Maybe you should alter your third clause to point out it's any kind of authoritarianism, because when people see centrism or conservatism they're more likely to think democracy or republic.
by Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:20 pm
by Heraswed » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:25 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Heraswed wrote:That was the GA specifying the 'Rights and Duties of WA states'
The WA is an overarching body, therefore the rights, even if set out within a GA resolution still apply throughout the organisation.
False. The GA is largely an IC roleplay body, while the SC is largely an OOC Gameplay affiliated body. The only thing they really share is a voting mechanism.
by Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:26 pm
Heraswed wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:False. The GA is largely an IC roleplay body, while the SC is largely an OOC Gameplay affiliated body. The only thing they really share is a voting mechanism.
I'm not sure I understand, you're telling me that the SC is not in character? The point is that they're both organs under the World Assembly, and you're dealing with WA nations, therefore their rights apply.
by Heraswed » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:03 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Heraswed wrote:The 'further noting' clause acknowledges the presence of fascism within the confederation. What I was arguing was that this doesn't mean that the confederation is fascist itself.
I wasn't saying you were, I was addressing that claims of them being fascist being attempted to be re-directed is a moot thing when you yourself write that fascism is an ideology that should be protected. Most other people have argued that it shouldn't and that CCD is and/or harbours such. Ergo, a valid thread topic.
Lord Dominator wrote:
That's all well and good, but the only thing that will change the fact that the SC has legislated that it can't use ideology as the sole reasoning for a resolution is it legislating the opposite.
Sure it can, we don't have rules against resolutions contradicting each other here.
That makes no sense whatsoever, presently, neither would have any mechanical effect. And in order for the liberation to be at all useful, Jocospor would have to leave the site, whilst passing to delegacy to another nation and the Confederation would have to greatly shrink. These alone are unlikely to take place. So, you can either have a noticeable, clear and obvious sign that the region in question is disapproved of by the World at large, or you can have a badge which might as well read 'non-threatening' with a mechanical effect that has an extremely low probability of ever being useful.
False, it already has and will have greater mechanical effect once Jocospor is gone, namely removing the ability of the delegate to password the region. After that, well we Gameplayers will go to work and I can assure you that it doesn't matter how big it is.
Lord Dominator wrote:Let me rephrase that, it meets the definition of a liberation resolution but has no purpose, as long as the liberation in not affecting the confederation it is purposeless and therefore, should not exist, or even have been passed.
It is not purposeless, just as any Liberation on a foundered region is not purposeless.And why won't it pass?
Because the major delegates won't vote For it (in any significant capacity)?
by Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:47 pm
Heraswed wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:I wasn't saying you were, I was addressing that claims of them being fascist being attempted to be re-directed is a moot thing when you yourself write that fascism is an ideology that should be protected. Most other people have argued that it shouldn't and that CCD is and/or harbours such. Ergo, a valid thread topic.
When did I say that fascism should be protected? Let me be clear, I am opposing SC#263 because I feel that it, as a resolution, is an unjustified and poor attempt to condemn a region you don't agree with for no other reason than their ideology. If you want to condemn it, condemn it, doing otherwise is pointless and cowardly.
Lord Dominator wrote:
Sure it can, we don't have rules against resolutions contradicting each other here.
False, it already has and will have greater mechanical effect once Jocospor is gone, namely removing the ability of the delegate to password the region. After that, well we Gameplayers will go to work and I can assure you that it doesn't matter how big it is.
Even so, I've already explained the unlikeliness of that circumstance, and as a poll in the CCD found, in the case of the fall of the Confederation, most would simply wait for the region to be re-founded under another Supreme Council member.
Lord Dominator wrote:Let me rephrase that, it meets the definition of a liberation resolution but has no purpose, as long as the liberation in not affecting the confederation it is purposeless and therefore, should not exist, or even have been passed.
It is not purposeless, just as any Liberation on a foundered region is not purposeless.And why won't it pass?
Because the major delegates won't vote For it (in any significant capacity)?
by Yokiria » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:18 pm
by Doing it Rightland » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:10 pm
Yokiria wrote:They told the world they were fascists and asked for a badge. We sent them home with another one, one they didn't want.
by Jocospor » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:32 pm
by Yokiria » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:38 pm
Jocospor wrote:At least now we can all immediately discount your comments; you've no idea what you're talking about.
by Doing it Rightland » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:13 pm
Yokiria wrote:I believe you mistook my wordplay for ignorance.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:37 pm
Yokiria wrote:Doing it Rightland wrote:You are aware that the whole reason the target is a liberation and not a condemnation was to avoid giving the CCD a badge, right?
I believe you mistook my wordplay for ignorance.Jocospor wrote:At least now we can all immediately discount your comments; you've no idea what you're talking about.
Pot, kettle.
by Caracasus » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:32 am
by Heraswed » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:48 am
Lord Dominator wrote:I do also see you submitted this, that's nice
by Honeydewistania » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:56 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Yokiria » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:34 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I think on the subject of CCD and whether or not they are fascists, he probably knows more than either of us.
by Jocospor » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:13 am
Jocospor wrote:OOC: I just saw this thread now and I feel like your comment is the only one worth responding to as of now. My government and I are still discussing the advice that was offered. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this decision isn't an easy one for us to make, though it might be for you. We are still conducting our own investigations into the accusations aforementioned concerning select regions and are yet unable to ascertain legitimacy on a variety of circumstances. As far as I am aware, Shrewllamaland, though a valued, integral part of our operation, is not actually the leader of the Confederation, as been suggested several times. If he wishes to challenge me for the position he's more than welcome to but, since it would be a futile act, I'm sure he won't (much to your disappointment, I can see).
by Blood Wine » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:41 am
Jocospor wrote:Blood Wine wrote:
None of these groups killed over 10 million people
OOC: Mao Zedong was responsible for the death of perhaps up to 45 million people, Stalin perhaps 20. Should I start on South America? At least now we can all immediately discount your comments; you've no idea what you're talking about.
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
by Yokiria » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:42 am
Jocospor wrote:OOC: No credibility? Golly, and I didn't even claim that communism never killed more than ten million. How 'bout that?!
Jocospor wrote:Look, if you're so curious, send a puppet nation to the Confederation and see for yourself.
by Syberis » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:21 am
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
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