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[SUBMITTED 26.3.19] Hungry For Criticism

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[SUBMITTED 26.3.19] Hungry For Criticism

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:27 am

Always hard to satirise a sensitive topic, balancing the need for humour with the need for sensitivity.

Hopefully this hits that balance, please tell me what you think.

SECOND DRAFT
TITLE:

Hungry For Criticism


VALIDITY:

Internet, Capitalism, Adult,


DESCRIPTION:

In the months following the anorexia-related death of teenager @@randomfemalename@@, investigators discovered that she was a member of various online communities that glorify eating disorders. Her computer had multiple pictures of seriously underweight people, and her social media was filled with encouragement from others to keep starving herself.


OPTION ONE

"This is entirely the fault of social media," says the teenager's father @@randommalefirstname@@ @@surname(1)@@, who is best known for his work as a fashion photographer. "These sites should be held criminally responsible for irresponsible content, and should be forced to share with the police the personal details and identities of the people in these murder-groups. There's no greater emptiness than the loss of a child, and those who are too blame must be punished."

OUTCOME:

faceless corporations are expected to assume parental responsibility over millions of teenagers

OPTION TWO

"This was a tragic loss, of course, but actually let's not forget that social media is all about connecting people," spins Farcebook representative @@random_name()@@. "The data-gathering algorithms we employ can identify at-risk users, and target advertising... uh I mean... signpost appropriate support networks for those vulnerable individuals. Of course, we offer discounted rates to charitable organisations who use our systems to deliver their message, which we'd happily extend to the government-funded Eating Disorder clinics I expect you'll want to be setting up. You could say that our automated software is automatically saving lives!"

OUTCOME:

online terrorists are automatically assigned online adverts for cheap balaclavas

OPTION THREE - IF RELIGION LEGAL

"It isn't the internet that makes teens want to starve themselves, it's the modern world, making them feel a deep spiritual hunger," points out Reverend @@randomname@@, standing before an altar beneath a statue of an emaciated man in a loincloth. "We should say that once a week, for a few hours at a time, everyone is obliged to turn off all electronic devices and attend church. With minds filled with holy truth rather than horrible tweets, teen self-harm will be a thing of the past."

OUTCOME:

no-one ever lasts longer than a week on a life support machine


TITLE:

On The Face Of It


VALIDITY:

Internet, Capitalism, Adult,


DESCRIPTION:

In the months following the unexpected suicide of teenager @@randomname@@, investigators discovered that @@HE@@ was a member of various online communities dedicated to deliberate self harm. @@HIS@@ computer had multiple graphic pictures of self harm injuries, and @@HIS@@ social media was filled with encouragement from other to post pictures of @@HIS@@ self harm online, along with encouragement to continue and intensify @@HIS@@ activities, and even being cheered on to embrace "the ultimate joy of suicide".


OPTION ONE

"This is entirely the fault of social media," says the teenager's father @@randomfirstname@@ @@surname(1)@@, speaking to the camera and ignoring his five-year-old daughter as she pulls at his arm trying to get his attention. "These sites should be held criminally responsible for irresponsible content, and should be forced to share with the police the personal details and identities of the people in these murder-groups. There's no deeper cut than the loss of a child, and those who are too blame must be punished."

OUTCOME:

faceless corporations are expected to assume parental responsibility over millions of teenagers

OPTION TWO

"This was a tragic loss, of course, but actually let's not forget that social media is all about connecting people," spins Farcebook representative @@random_name()@@. "The data-gathering algorithms we employ can identify at-risk users, and target advertising... uh I mean... signpost appropriate support networks for those vulnerable individuals. Of course, we offer discounted rates to charitable organisations who use our systems to deliver their message. You could say that our automated software is automatically saving lives!"

OUTCOME:

online terrorists are automatically assigned online adverts for cheap balaclavas

OPTION THREE - IF RELIGION LEGAL

"It isn't the internet that makes teens want to cut themselves, it's the modern world, making them feel isolated. We need a better set of values," points out Reverend @@randomname@@, standing before an altar beneath a statue of a man with blood pouring from his wrist wounds. "We should say that once a week, for a few hours at a time, everyone is obliged to turn off all electronic devices and attend church. With minds filled with holy truth rather than horrible tweets, teen anorexia will be a thing of the past."

OUTCOME:

no-one ever lasts longer than a week on a life support machine
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:32 am

This seems to overlap with "Motivational Posters" (wherein someone is encouraged to commit suicide).

If you want to stick to the harmful internet community angle, you could maybe look at the pro-anorexia sites (that those things exist pisses me off)?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:49 am

AHA!

Felt familiar as I was writing it, but couldn't place it.

But yes, will retool this in draft 2 to be about anorexia.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:15 am

And draft 2 up. Was surprisingly easy to transpose.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:17 am

This is indeed a tough topic, and I think you're doing a reasonable job of addressing it respectfully, while maintaining some of the humor the site needs. My thoughts would be these:

Pro-ana communities (I hate that I even know that term) are often focused on small private blogs run by individuals, or if they're on big media, they're illictly run and deliberately hidden to try and avoid deletion. The big corporations have been banning and deleting them for a while now. I would perhaps focus the action on specific website operators - the individual people themselves - more than on corporations in this particular case. That's definitely an approach that is in use, particularly in Europe, in both Italy and France.

I would also encourage a third option other than the religious one, to actually address the public health issue at the root of the pro-ana problem. Education and mental healthcare (the real version, not Farcebook) are the responses I would expect to see from many reasonable nations, and having options limited to either prosecuting a symptom or joining the problem (or maybe Jeebus) doesn't feel like a sufficiently genuine response to a serious issue.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:31 am

Verdant Haven wrote:This is indeed a tough topic, and I think you're doing a reasonable job of addressing it respectfully, while maintaining some of the humor the site needs. My thoughts would be these:

Pro-ana communities (I hate that I even know that term) are often focused on small private blogs run by individuals, or if they're on big media, they're illictly run and deliberately hidden to try and avoid deletion. The big corporations have been banning and deleting them for a while now. I would perhaps focus the action on specific website operators - the individual people themselves - more than on corporations in this particular case. That's definitely an approach that is in use, particularly in Europe, in both Italy and France.

I would also encourage a third option other than the religious one, to actually address the public health issue at the root of the pro-ana problem. Education and mental healthcare (the real version, not Farcebook) are the responses I would expect to see from many reasonable nations, and having options limited to either prosecuting a symptom or joining the problem (or maybe Jeebus) doesn't feel like a sufficiently genuine response to a serious issue.


Eight days on, and I've been unable to write an option that works for what you say, and which has any sort of humour.

If you want to collaborate, I'd happily call it co-authoring.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:04 pm

I would have thought there was something about fat shaming
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:26 am

Australian rePublic wrote:I would have thought there was something about fat shaming


I think someone else did an issue specifically on fat-shaming, somewhere in the issue folders.

Anyroads, I'm happy for this issue not to specifically mention that.

Still not sure where to go with VH's points though. I may drop this one, not sure yet.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:07 am

Reviewing this, I've tried adding options that address the root causes, but they basically felt like they were dodging the main question, which was whether social media should bear any responsibility.

I think Option 2 pretty much covers the government spending more on supporting sufferers.

As it is, leaving as is, and putting to last call.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:26 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Verdant Haven wrote:This is indeed a tough topic, and I think you're doing a reasonable job of addressing it respectfully, while maintaining some of the humor the site needs. My thoughts would be these:

Pro-ana communities (I hate that I even know that term) are often focused on small private blogs run by individuals, or if they're on big media, they're illictly run and deliberately hidden to try and avoid deletion. The big corporations have been banning and deleting them for a while now. I would perhaps focus the action on specific website operators - the individual people themselves - more than on corporations in this particular case. That's definitely an approach that is in use, particularly in Europe, in both Italy and France.

I would also encourage a third option other than the religious one, to actually address the public health issue at the root of the pro-ana problem. Education and mental healthcare (the real version, not Farcebook) are the responses I would expect to see from many reasonable nations, and having options limited to either prosecuting a symptom or joining the problem (or maybe Jeebus) doesn't feel like a sufficiently genuine response to a serious issue.


Eight days on, and I've been unable to write an option that works for what you say, and which has any sort of humour.

If you want to collaborate, I'd happily call it co-authoring.


Sorry I missed your kind offer there, CWA! I didn't see that reply. I wasn't trying to ignore you, I promise.

Perhaps something like this:

OPTION

"We need to address the root of the problem, not just the results!" cries noted pediatrician, Dr. @@RANDOMNAME@@. "We should distribute pamphlets about the importance of not starving yourself, teach kids to ignore unrealistic expectations of thinness, and we need to ensure that vulnerable teens can get free medical advice via state-paid doctor visits... not just those quacks on the internet!"

OUTCOME
slender teens are prescribed a doughnut a day
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:33 am

Nice writing, but basically far too sensible an option, and far too easy to pick it while not addressing the underlying dilemma at all. If I added that option, it'd pick up 75% of respondents, easy.

As it is, I think it's best if that is left off. Thanks for the attempt though!
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