Yeah, that's not the only thing that makes Allah, Allah SWT.
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by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:48 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Conserative Morality » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:51 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:53 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:we are discussing the concept of a deity. Your original objection to the claim of the American State being a god wasn't "It's not Allah" but that, and I quote, "That doesn't make it a god."
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Conserative Morality » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:53 pm
by Conserative Morality » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:54 pm
Ok, well it's not a god either. There's too many flaws for America to be a god.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:54 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Volkari » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:56 pm
Fact: Uncle Sherman did nothing wrongGiuseppe Mazzini wrote:So long as you are ready to die for humanity, the life of your country is immortal.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:56 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Gods can be flawed
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:57 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:57 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:57 pm
by Conserative Morality » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:57 pm
Volkari wrote:
The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:58 pm
by Conserative Morality » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:58 pm
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
I beg your pardon?
I understand that it is somewhat improper/uncouth in typical circumstances to quote myself, but please allow me to explain:
I'm confused as to why you wrote "[screaming in American]"... is it because my ideal government system (assuming modern technological capabilities) is different from the federal presidential constitutional republic with a free-market economic system used by the United States?
by Fahran » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:00 pm
Volkari wrote:
The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.
by Joohan » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:01 pm
Volkari wrote:
The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.
by The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:01 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
I understand that it is somewhat improper/uncouth in typical circumstances to quote myself, but please allow me to explain:
I'm confused as to why you wrote "[screaming in American]"... is it because my ideal government system (assuming modern technological capabilities) is different from the federal presidential constitutional republic with a free-market economic system used by the United States?
More or less. I find it contrary to my view of America, and my conception of myself as an American is very dear to my heart.
by Conserative Morality » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:04 pm
Joohan wrote:What about the unionists in Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri who were enslaving their fellow Americans?
What about Grant? The slave owning savior of the Union?
by Fahran » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:04 pm
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Ah, I understand now. Nevertheless, I still think that my proposed system would better promote the common weal.
by Nea Byzantia » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:09 pm
Volkari wrote:
The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.
by Fahran » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:11 pm
Nea Byzantia wrote:How can a nation be God? Nations are fragile things that break apart. God is not. You and I certainly have a very different definition of God.
by Valrifell » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:15 pm
Nea Byzantia wrote:Volkari wrote:
The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.
How can a nation be God? Nations are fragile things that break apart. God is not. You and I certainly have a very different definition of God.
by The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:15 pm
Fahran wrote:The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Ah, I understand now. Nevertheless, I still think that my proposed system would better promote the common weal.
I think your suggestion would have made Plato smile, but I have perhaps consumed a bit too much of the medieval and modern ages to be content with it. It's such bitter wine truthfully, but bitterness can be aesthetic too.
TEM was right. I'm too romantic by half in my sensibilities. If I keep this up, I'll go from being Jael to Nero.
by Conserative Morality » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:17 pm
Valrifell wrote:What constitutes a 'religion' and 'god' is so washy you could totally get away with arguing that any belief in something higher than the self with ritualistic undertones fits the bill. In that sense, the Nation becomes God and the Religion is Nationalism of a sort.
Of course, that doesn't jive with the obvious examples of "religion" but it's a difficult concept.
by Nea Byzantia » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:17 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Joohan wrote:What about the unionists in Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri who were enslaving their fellow Americans?
What about Grant? The slave owning savior of the Union?
>> ignoring the fact that Grant was a lifelong abolitionist, unlike Sherman, who only became an abolitionist after seeing the horrors of slavery in the South
>> ignoring the fact that Grant's only slave was a gift from his father-in-law, and he freed said man almost immediately
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