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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:58 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
4:35 p.m.: White House says it wants ‘down payment’ on border wall

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement that Trump would support a short-term funding bill only if it includes a “down payment” on the border wall — something Pelosi has already said is a non-starter.

Her statement came after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) met to discuss possible paths forward on reopening the government.

“Leader Mitch McConnell and Senator Charles E. Schumer are meeting now to see whether they can work out of the deadlock,” Sanders said. “As was made clear to Senator Lindsay Graham, the three-week CR would only work if there is a large down payment on the wall.”

As he exited McConnell’s office, Schumer declined to offer specifics, saying repeatedly “we’re talking” when asked about the discussion.

Graham (R-S.C.), a close Trump ally who spoke with the president by phone Thursday afternoon, echoed the White House’s “down payment” language in a statement.

“The way forward is clear to me: a three-week continuing resolution (CR) that includes a down payment on wall/barrier funding and priorities of Democrats for disaster relief, showing good faith from both sides,” Graham said. “I strongly urge my Democratic colleagues to work with the White House on a three-week CR that includes a down payment on wall/barrier funding consistent with DHS priorities.”


From the Washington post, Trump is willing to open the government in return for a "down payment" on the wall.

The $5 billion he's been asking for this whole time is a small fraction of what an actual two thousand mile wall would cost. Asking for just a down-payment is nothing more than rephrasing his demands. He may as well have asked for $5,000 million instead of $5 billion.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:00 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:From the Washington post, Trump is willing to open the government in return for a "down payment" on the wall.

The $5 billion he's been asking for this whole time is a small fraction of what an actual two thousand mile wall would cost. Asking for just a down-payment is nothing more than rephrasing his demands. He may as well have asked for $5,000 million instead of $5 billion.


"I now only want $5 milliard"

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:00 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics ... index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.

Care to guess what will happen if it goes through the Supreme Court?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:02 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.

Care to guess what will happen if it goes through the Supreme Court?


I dont know but even if they uphold it a national emergency can only be in effect for a maximum of six months before Congress has to approve extending it.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:03 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.

Care to guess what will happen if it goes through the Supreme Court?


The originalists stick to their core values and reject Trump's proposal, proving their ideology consistent and removed from partisan leaning.

No, I couldn't even write that with a straight face. It'll be greenlit with a 5-4 majority because they're Republicans, not originalists.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Care to guess what will happen if it goes through the Supreme Court?


I dont know but even if they uphold it a national emergency can only be in effect for a maximum of six months before Congress has to approve extending it.
I would think it would take longer then that to make it the SCOTUS. Oh and...I know i am being a bitch, but if Trump does this, in the next budget session I would reduce the amount of money going to the military by the same amount he uses.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:05 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I dont know but even if they uphold it a national emergency can only be in effect for a maximum of six months before Congress has to approve extending it.
I would think it would take longer then that to make it the SCOTUS. Oh and...I know i am being a bitch, but if Trump does this, in the next budget session I would reduce the amount of money going to the military by the same amount he uses.

and there are serious legal questions as to whether it qualifies as a national emergency

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:05 pm

The Pentagon is going to be pissed if that money comes out of their coffers.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:06 pm

Valrifell wrote:The Pentagon is going to be pissed if that money comes out of their coffers.


They certainly would. The two groups of people you dont want to alienate are the intelligence community and the military

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:11 pm

Valrifell wrote:The Pentagon is going to be pissed if that money comes out of their coffers.

It has to come from somewhere, and if Trump decides to use the military to build a wall then it clearly must come from the military. They can go ahead and blame their president for costing them part of their allocated piece of the pie.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:13 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Valrifell wrote:The Pentagon is going to be pissed if that money comes out of their coffers.

It has to come from somewhere, and if Trump decides to use the military to build a wall then it clearly must come from the military. They can go ahead and blame their president for costing them part of their allocated piece of the pie.


It's either the military or relief funds from a key swing state and Texas.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:15 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Valrifell wrote:The Pentagon is going to be pissed if that money comes out of their coffers.

It has to come from somewhere, and if Trump decides to use the military to build a wall then it clearly must come from the military. They can go ahead and blame their president for costing them part of their allocated piece of the pie.


And that might be a violation of the law as the military cannot be used for law enforcement

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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:16 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:It has to come from somewhere, and if Trump decides to use the military to build a wall then it clearly must come from the military. They can go ahead and blame their president for costing them part of their allocated piece of the pie.


It's either the military or relief funds from a key swing state and Texas.

Relief funds from Texas. Because fuck us for voting in a few Democrats, right?
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:16 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:It has to come from somewhere, and if Trump decides to use the military to build a wall then it clearly must come from the military. They can go ahead and blame their president for costing them part of their allocated piece of the pie.


It's either the military or relief funds from a key swing state and Texas.

No, I mean that Democrats better not give the military another $7B if Trump does this, because that's literally just funding the wall anyway. The military will feel the absence of that $7B in the rest of their programs and will not thank Trump for it.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:17 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It's either the military or relief funds from a key swing state and Texas.

No, I mean that Democrats better not give the military another $7B if Trump does this, because that's literally just funding the wall anyway. The military will feel the absence of that $7B in the rest of their programs and will not thank Trump for it.

I don think they will and Republicans in the Senate will not be happy about Trump bypassing Congress

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:19 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It's either the military or relief funds from a key swing state and Texas.

No, I mean that Democrats better not give the military another $7B if Trump does this, because that's literally just funding the wall anyway. The military will feel the absence of that $7B in the rest of their programs and will not thank Trump for it.


A good idea.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:24 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The $5 billion he's been asking for this whole time is a small fraction of what an actual two thousand mile wall would cost. Asking for just a down-payment is nothing more than rephrasing his demands. He may as well have asked for $5,000 million instead of $5 billion.


"I now only want $5 milliard"

Five milliard ham berders.


San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.

The President is allowed to declare a national emergency. It's fucking stupid for Trump to do it over his wall, and Congress will almost certainly revoke the state of emergency right away, but Trump does have that power.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:29 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
"I now only want $5 milliard"

Five milliard ham berders.


San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.

The President is allowed to declare a national emergency. It's fucking stupid for Trump to do it over his wall, and Congress will almost certainly revoke the state of emergency right away, but Trump does have that power.

I hope they do immediately revoke it. Knowing Trump he would then say Congress doesn’t care about border security and whip his base into a frenzy

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.


This would be the most stupid national emergency in the history of national emergencies.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Five milliard ham berders.



The President is allowed to declare a national emergency. It's fucking stupid for Trump to do it over his wall, and Congress will almost certainly revoke the state of emergency right away, but Trump does have that power.

I hope they do immediately revoke it. Knowing Trump he would then say Congress doesn’t care about border security and whip his base into a frenzy

I'd expect Trump to solely blame the Democrats, even if Republicans voted to revoke the state of emergency as well.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:32 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
"I now only want $5 milliard"

Five milliard ham berders.


San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.

The President is allowed to declare a national emergency. It's fucking stupid for Trump to do it over his wall, and Congress will almost certainly revoke the state of emergency right away, but Trump does have that power.


How long would it take for Congress to revoke it?

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.

Oh boy, I eagerly await all these drawn out, years long eminent domain cases that’ll hold up construction of his wall.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:45 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Five milliard ham berders.



The President is allowed to declare a national emergency. It's fucking stupid for Trump to do it over his wall, and Congress will almost certainly revoke the state of emergency right away, but Trump does have that power.


How long would it take for Congress to revoke it?

Since Trump would have to sign any termination resolution from Congress, it could take a while.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:49 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
How long would it take for Congress to revoke it?

Since Trump would have to sign any termination resolution from Congress, it could take a while.

Does he?
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