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by The Blaatschapen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:49 pm
by Segral » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:52 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:All I read in this thread is "cancer, cancer, cancer". Let me tell you a story. I almost died when I was 5 years old (not from cancer, but death is death). I don't even know how I survived this long. In addition to that, and seperate to that, I have a genetic disease called Thallasemia Minor, I have aspberger's syndrome. All of these don't mean that God isn't real. All of these don't mean that God is evil. Just because you don't understand why God does something, it doesn't mean that God is evil. I learnt that the hard way. (And no, before you strawman me, I am NOT saying that cancer is good. We should try to fight cancer as hard as possible, as we are doing, which is an excellent thing). Atheists keep talking about how morality is subjective, and indeed, 200 years ago, it was perfectly considered perfectly acceptable to think that one race was superior to other races, yet we changed our perspective of that, why? (Well, in all honesty, because Hitler took that concept way too far, causing the rest of us to see how idiotic it was.) Up until 200 years ago, slavery was perfectly acceptable, but then we abandoned it, why, I don't know. Now as for cancer, cancer is an evil and horrible thing, I rhink so, you think so and God thinks so. So why does God allow such a horrid thing to exist? I don't know. What I do know however, is that we humans cannot agree on what is good and evil, because we don't have access to the bigger picture, God who has access to the bigger picture, is capable of knowing how to run the universe, and has remained fairly consistant with His morality. Why does God allow cancer? Does He enjoy watch people suffer? No, of coarse not, in fact, it's the opposite, God suffers with them. So why does He allow cancer? I don't know. All I know ia that God is more knowlegable than me. Trying to argue that God is evil for the simple reason that you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your mechanic is evil because you don't understand why He changed the motor oil. Trying to argue that God is evil because you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your hotel receptionist is evil, because you don't understand why she's charging you for room service, etc.
by Australian rePublic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:56 pm
Segral wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:All I read in this thread is "cancer, cancer, cancer". Let me tell you a story. I almost died when I was 5 years old (not from cancer, but death is death). I don't even know how I survived this long. In addition to that, and seperate to that, I have a genetic disease called Thallasemia Minor, I have aspberger's syndrome. All of these don't mean that God isn't real. All of these don't mean that God is evil. Just because you don't understand why God does something, it doesn't mean that God is evil. I learnt that the hard way. (And no, before you strawman me, I am NOT saying that cancer is good. We should try to fight cancer as hard as possible, as we are doing, which is an excellent thing). Atheists keep talking about how morality is subjective, and indeed, 200 years ago, it was perfectly considered perfectly acceptable to think that one race was superior to other races, yet we changed our perspective of that, why? (Well, in all honesty, because Hitler took that concept way too far, causing the rest of us to see how idiotic it was.) Up until 200 years ago, slavery was perfectly acceptable, but then we abandoned it, why, I don't know. Now as for cancer, cancer is an evil and horrible thing, I rhink so, you think so and God thinks so. So why does God allow such a horrid thing to exist? I don't know. What I do know however, is that we humans cannot agree on what is good and evil, because we don't have access to the bigger picture, God who has access to the bigger picture, is capable of knowing how to run the universe, and has remained fairly consistant with His morality. Why does God allow cancer? Does He enjoy watch people suffer? No, of coarse not, in fact, it's the opposite, God suffers with them. So why does He allow cancer? I don't know. All I know ia that God is more knowlegable than me. Trying to argue that God is evil for the simple reason that you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your mechanic is evil because you don't understand why He changed the motor oil. Trying to argue that God is evil because you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your hotel receptionist is evil, because you don't understand why she's charging you for room service, etc.
First off, your story is inspiring man, that must have been very difficult to get through.
I agree with you that just because cancer and "bad things" in this world exist doesn't mean God isn't real. I believe that God puts us through these challenges and trials to make humanity stronger and keep the balance in life (of course, I don't mean that God is the once causing brain tumors, but as I said before, I believe God has a hand in affecting certain aspects of the world), not because he hates us, but because he's a man(?) with a plan. The slavery model isn't the best analogy, as well as some of your other points, but I agree with your basic underlying ideas. Although at the same time, I think this thread should be less about trying to convince others to believe or not believe in God, but rather understanding others perspectives and gaining insights as to what the individual members of this community believe in.
by Segral » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:02 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Segral wrote:
First off, your story is inspiring man, that must have been very difficult to get through.
I agree with you that just because cancer and "bad things" in this world exist doesn't mean God isn't real. I believe that God puts us through these challenges and trials to make humanity stronger and keep the balance in life (of course, I don't mean that God is the once causing brain tumors, but as I said before, I believe God has a hand in affecting certain aspects of the world), not because he hates us, but because he's a man(?) with a plan. The slavery model isn't the best analogy, as well as some of your other points, but I agree with your basic underlying ideas. Although at the same time, I think this thread should be less about trying to convince others to believe or not believe in God, but rather understanding others perspectives and gaining insights as to what the individual members of this community believe in.
Well, that was my initial plan for this thread, but I'm thinking, why can't we have both?
by Australian rePublic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:11 pm
Segral wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Well, that was my initial plan for this thread, but I'm thinking, why can't we have both?
Well, I know from personal experience that I don't like it when people shove their beliefs on/try to convince me that they are right about religion, even to the point of trying to convince me that my beliefs are false and nonexistent (happened once). Plus, we could always try to hold ourselves to a better standard than the rest of NSG
by Asherahan » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:12 pm
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:14 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Segral wrote:
First off, your story is inspiring man, that must have been very difficult to get through.
I agree with you that just because cancer and "bad things" in this world exist doesn't mean God isn't real. I believe that God puts us through these challenges and trials to make humanity stronger and keep the balance in life (of course, I don't mean that God is the once causing brain tumors, but as I said before, I believe God has a hand in affecting certain aspects of the world), not because he hates us, but because he's a man(?) with a plan. The slavery model isn't the best analogy, as well as some of your other points, but I agree with your basic underlying ideas. Although at the same time, I think this thread should be less about trying to convince others to believe or not believe in God, but rather understanding others perspectives and gaining insights as to what the individual members of this community believe in.
Well, that was my initial plan for this thread, but I'm thinking, why can't we have both?
by Australian rePublic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:14 pm
Segral wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:All I read in this thread is "cancer, cancer, cancer". Let me tell you a story. I almost died when I was 5 years old (not from cancer, but death is death). I don't even know how I survived this long. In addition to that, and seperate to that, I have a genetic disease called Thallasemia Minor, I have aspberger's syndrome. All of these don't mean that God isn't real. All of these don't mean that God is evil. Just because you don't understand why God does something, it doesn't mean that God is evil. I learnt that the hard way. (And no, before you strawman me, I am NOT saying that cancer is good. We should try to fight cancer as hard as possible, as we are doing, which is an excellent thing). Atheists keep talking about how morality is subjective, and indeed, 200 years ago, it was perfectly considered perfectly acceptable to think that one race was superior to other races, yet we changed our perspective of that, why? (Well, in all honesty, because Hitler took that concept way too far, causing the rest of us to see how idiotic it was.) Up until 200 years ago, slavery was perfectly acceptable, but then we abandoned it, why, I don't know. Now as for cancer, cancer is an evil and horrible thing, I rhink so, you think so and God thinks so. So why does God allow such a horrid thing to exist? I don't know. What I do know however, is that we humans cannot agree on what is good and evil, because we don't have access to the bigger picture, God who has access to the bigger picture, is capable of knowing how to run the universe, and has remained fairly consistant with His morality. Why does God allow cancer? Does He enjoy watch people suffer? No, of coarse not, in fact, it's the opposite, God suffers with them. So why does He allow cancer? I don't know. All I know ia that God is more knowlegable than me. Trying to argue that God is evil for the simple reason that you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your mechanic is evil because you don't understand why He changed the motor oil. Trying to argue that God is evil because you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your hotel receptionist is evil, because you don't understand why she's charging you for room service, etc.
First off, your story is inspiring man, that must have been very difficult to get through.
I agree with you that just because cancer and "bad things" in this world exist doesn't mean God isn't real. I believe that God puts us through these challenges and trials to make humanity stronger and keep the balance in life (of course, I don't mean that God is the once causing brain tumors, but as I said before, I believe God has a hand in affecting certain aspects of the world), not because he hates us, but because he's a man(?) with a plan. The slavery model isn't the best analogy, as well as some of your other points, but I agree with your basic underlying ideas. Although at the same time, I think this thread should be less about trying to convince others to believe or not believe in God, but rather understanding others perspectives and gaining insights as to what the individual members of this community believe in.
by Segral » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:16 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Segral wrote:
Well, I know from personal experience that I don't like it when people shove their beliefs on/try to convince me that they are right about religion, even to the point of trying to convince me that my beliefs are false and nonexistent (happened once). Plus, we could always try to hold ourselves to a better standard than the rest of NSG
Then why are you actively and willing participating in a thread whose entire purpose is to give you other's perspectives of religion?
by The World Capitalist Confederation » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:16 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:All I read in this thread is "cancer, cancer, cancer". Let me tell you a story. I almost died when I was 5 years old (not from cancer, but death is death). I don't even know how I survived this long. In addition to that, and seperate to that, I have a genetic disease called Thallasemia Minor, I have aspberger's syndrome. All of these don't mean that God isn't real. All of these don't mean that God is evil. Just because you don't understand why God does something, it doesn't mean that God is evil. I learnt that the hard way. (And no, before you strawman me, I am NOT saying that cancer is good. We should try to fight cancer as hard as possible, as we are doing, which is an excellent thing). Atheists keep talking about how morality is subjective, and indeed, 200 years ago, it was perfectly considered perfectly acceptable to think that one race was superior to other races, yet we changed our perspective of that, why? (Well, in all honesty, because Hitler took that concept way too far, causing the rest of us to see how idiotic it was.) Up until 200 years ago, slavery was perfectly acceptable, but then we abandoned it, why, I don't know. Now as for cancer, cancer is an evil and horrible thing, I rhink so, you think so and God thinks so. So why does God allow such a horrid thing to exist? I don't know. What I do know however, is that we humans cannot agree on what is good and evil, because we don't have access to the bigger picture, God who has access to the bigger picture, is capable of knowing how to run the universe, and has remained fairly consistant with His morality. Why does God allow cancer? Does He enjoy watch people suffer? No, of coarse not, in fact, it's the opposite, God suffers with them. So why does He allow cancer? I don't know. All I know ia that God is more knowlegable than me. Trying to argue that God is evil for the simple reason that you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your mechanic is evil because you don't understand why He changed the motor oil. Trying to argue that God is evil because you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your hotel receptionist is evil, because you don't understand why she's charging you for room service, etc.
by Australian rePublic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:18 pm
Segral wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Then why are you actively and willing participating in a thread whose entire purpose is to give you other's perspectives of religion?
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't want to hear about other's perspectives on religion. I would just rather hear about it in a constructive and acknowledgeable debate over having people try to convince me of what is the "right" opinion. Not calling out anyone in particular, just sayin' that I think it would be best if we didn't stray into a toxic territory.
by Australian rePublic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:20 pm
by New Merakh » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:21 pm
by Ausinia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:24 pm
The blAAtschApen wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?
I believe aliens exist.
I am one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law)
-Astoria wrote:‘WE'RE NOT COMMUNISTS, DAMMIT!’
Then explain the hammer-and-sickle on your flag. Otherwise, X.
The Ausinian National:Due to recent baby booms in Ausinia, a general board has being formed, the leaders in new ways of fair population control. Suggested methods already include standardised testing in schools, for the most fit and intelligent to stand out.
by The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:04 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?
by Australian rePublic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:08 pm
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:We, as Orthodox Christians, don't believe that we're born in sim
Well, that's not true.
by Australian rePublic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:09 pm
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?
I mean, I'm not technically the right person to ask *cough*Deism*cough*, but I find the existence of extraterrestrial life to be as of yet uncertain, but probable given the vastness of the cosmos/creation and the large numbers of potentially habitable exoplanets out there.
by New Legland » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:21 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
I mean, I'm not technically the right person to ask *cough*Deism*cough*, but I find the existence of extraterrestrial life to be as of yet uncertain, but probable given the vastness of the cosmos/creation and the large numbers of potentially habitable exoplanets out there.
But do you have any proof?
by Australian rePublic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:21 pm
Dogmeat wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Point Number 2: Nope. The Bible, in the original Hebrew, uses the word "Yom". "Yom" can apparently mean any number of things , a physical day "24 hours" (the most common translation), an unspecified amount of time, an unspecified consistant length of time, millenia, or anything else, really
This is kind of silly, since Genesis even defines what it means by day: "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." So we're clearly talking about actual days.
But even if it were true that these are epochs or something, the story still gets the order of everything wrong. With God creating the Earth and plantlife before the sun and stars. So it doesn't matter how long the days are, the story is still clearly wrong.
Australian rePublic wrote:Then let's use the same arguments that most atheists have used here against God. If it's not an explosion, why is it called "Big Bang"
Fred Hoyle came up with the name as an insult. It's not something scientists are committed to, it just sort of stuck.
by Alvecia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:24 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
I mean, I'm not technically the right person to ask *cough*Deism*cough*, but I find the existence of extraterrestrial life to be as of yet uncertain, but probable given the vastness of the cosmos/creation and the large numbers of potentially habitable exoplanets out there.
But do you have any proof?
by Australian rePublic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:24 pm
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