US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Given the lack of popularity for the wall and for Trump many are technically putting themselves out of a job anyway come 2020.

And I welcome a even bigger blue wave in 2020

Eh, let's hope the Dems don't shotgun blast their foot with identity politics and badly planned socialization when they inevitably come into power.

Their boner for identity politics (i.e. pissing on MLK's grave and smacking Morgan Freeman) is seriously a massive turn-off for me.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

And I welcome a even bigger blue wave in 2020

Eh, let's hope the Dems don't shotgun blast their foot with identity politics and badly planned socialization when they inevitably come into power.

Their boner for identity politics (i.e. pissing on MLK's grave and smacking Morgan Freeman) is seriously a massive turn-off for me.

They're off to a pretty good head-start on that.

Y'really think they'll do a face-heel turn on their current strategy if this mess of shenanigans is seen as a "win"?

Political Mutually Assured Destruction of both major parties.

[The Alma Mater]

For once I agree with you. We also have a president throwing a temper tantrum over a stupid wall that will never be built.

But what rules would you change? Congress controls the purse.

Just let Trump set the budget.

If he majorly screws up, he won't get re-elected (or at least, that's how its supposed to work)... right?

How will people know he screwed up ? I can effortlessy devise a budget that will make life for Americans great for the coming 6 years or so - after which it all comes crashing down.

Happily, history teaches us that Americans would then not blame me, but my successor. So hopefully that will be someone from the other party.

[The Alma Mater]

Given the lack of popularity for the wall and for Trump many are technically putting themselves out of a job anyway come 2020.

And I welcome a even bigger blue wave in 2020

Yes, why is "the left' (well, ok - the "less right") in the USA Blue instead of Red ?

[Kowani]

And I welcome a even bigger blue wave in 2020

Eh, let's hope the Dems don't shotgun blast their foot with identity politics and badly planned socialization when they inevitably come into power.

Their boner for identity politics (i.e. pissing on MLK's grave and smacking Morgan Freeman) is seriously a massive turn-off for me.

Plus. if they even touch the gun issue, they're screwed.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Eh, let's hope the Dems don't shotgun blast their foot with identity politics and badly planned socialization when they inevitably come into power.

Their boner for identity politics (i.e. pissing on MLK's grave and smacking Morgan Freeman) is seriously a massive turn-off for me.

Plus. if they even touch the gun issue, they're screwed.

If the anti-Second Amendment hardliners get their way, then they're basically going to commit political Kurt Cobain.

[Heloin]

And I welcome a even bigger blue wave in 2020

Yes, why is "the left' (well, ok - the "less right") in the USA Blue instead of Red ?

Because American political parties took a really long time to adopt colours for the different parties. It really wasn't until 2000 that the whole Blue for Dems and Red for GOP took hold with standardisation of colour maps between news stations.

[Infected Mushroom]

Just let Trump set the budget.

If he majorly screws up, he won't get re-elected (or at least, that's how its supposed to work)... right?

How will people know he screwed up ? I can effortlessy devise a budget that will make life for Americans great for the coming 6 years or so - after which it all comes crashing down.

Happily, history teaches us that Americans would then not blame me, but my successor. So hopefully that will be someone from the other party.

Give the people what they want am I right?

[The Alma Mater]

How will people know he screwed up ? I can effortlessy devise a budget that will make life for Americans great for the coming 6 years or so - after which it all comes crashing down.

Happily, history teaches us that Americans would then not blame me, but my successor. So hopefully that will be someone from the other party.

Give the people what they want am I right?

Yes. But mostly, the important factor is time. People are only president for 4 years until re-election; while the impact of many of their decisions can take well over a decade (or several) to see.

[The Alma Mater]

Yes, why is "the left' (well, ok - the "less right") in the USA Blue instead of Red ?

Because American political parties took a really long time to adopt colours for the different parties. It really wasn't until 2000 that the whole Blue for Dems and Red for GOP took hold with standardisation of colour maps between news stations.

But why *this* choice ? The left = red is rather universal. Heck, even the USA has a history of calling commies "the red scare".
Seems kinda like the whole "football" thing

[Infected Mushroom]

Because American political parties took a really long time to adopt colours for the different parties. It really wasn't until 2000 that the whole Blue for Dems and Red for GOP took hold with standardisation of colour maps between news stations.

But why *this* choice ? The left = red is rather universal. Heck, even the USA has a history of calling commies "the red scare".
Seems kinda like the whole "football" thing

maybe it has something to do with red being British?

[Bombadil]

How to lie even when just corrected..

After Sanders remarked that "nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists come into our country illegally, and we know that our most vulnerable point of entry is at our southern border," Wallace interjected, noting that the overwhelming majority of those individuals are captured at airports -- not at the border -- and that the State Department has said there is no credible evidence of a terrorist coming across the southern border.

"Not always," Sanders said. "But certainly a large number [are apprehended at airports]. It's by air, it's by land, and it's by sea. It's all of the above. ... The most vulnerable point of entry that we have into this country is the southern border."

[Infected Mushroom]

How to lie even when just corrected..

After Sanders remarked that "nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists come into our country illegally, and we know that our most vulnerable point of entry is at our southern border," Wallace interjected, noting that the overwhelming majority of those individuals are captured at airports -- not at the border -- and that the State Department has said there is no credible evidence of a terrorist coming across the southern border.

"Not always," Sanders said. "But certainly a large number [are apprehended at airports]. It's by air, it's by land, and it's by sea. It's all of the above. ... The most vulnerable point of entry that we have into this country is the southern border."

its technically still consistent

the southern border can be "the most vulnerable" (least secured) but not be the most often utilised by the terrorists

similarly, maybe large numbers are arrested at the airports because those points are already sufficiently secured, hence "less vulnerable"

[Heloin]

Because American political parties took a really long time to adopt colours for the different parties. It really wasn't until 2000 that the whole Blue for Dems and Red for GOP took hold with standardisation of colour maps between news stations.

But why *this* choice ? The left = red is rather universal. Heck, even the USA has a history of calling commies "the red scare".
Seems kinda like the whole "football" thing

Well red and blue because of the flag. And it started as a practice to avoid favouritism. Every four years the major TV studios switched which colour which party used for election. Or you were ABC who apparently had the Republicans in yellow until the 90's.

[Thermodolia]

which they aren't going to do. Pelosi isnt going to give him his stupid wall. It would never pass the House.

She will eventually. Because otherwise she's not going to have a budget for anything else. Republicans can't break away from this without committing political suicide and Trump has no reason whatsoever to give in.

So basically, we'll end up with TWO YEARS of no government budget while the Democrats platform collapses around them, because their politics needs that budget a lot more than the Republicans do.

We’ll have a march on Washington/General Strike if this thing goes on till 2020.

Hell we might even end up with the military in charge

[Thermodolia]

Well then I hope members of their base start losing their farms because the agriculture department is shut down and they will not be getting their subsides.

"I hope people suffer because they disagree with me."
Well, aren't you coldhearted?

Remember this is the same person who said that they would be completely fine with 1 Billion people dying of starvation

[New haven america]

"I hope people suffer because they disagree with me."
Well, aren't you coldhearted?

Remember this is the same person who said that they would be completely fine with 1 Billion people dying of starvation

Considering the one calling out San Lumen also goes by that mindset, they're not really one to talk.

[Thermodolia]

For once I agree with you. We also have a president throwing a temper tantrum over a stupid wall that will never be built.

But what rules would you change? Congress controls the purse.

"No agreement on budget = the last approved budget is used again".

That’s what we did up until the 1970s when Nixon and co changed it. All it would take is repealing that stupid piece of shit. Unfortunately neither party wants to do that because they use shutdowns as leverage

[Thermodolia]

And I welcome a even bigger blue wave in 2020

Yes, why is "the left' (well, ok - the "less right") in the USA Blue instead of Red ?

Ask CNN. No shit. They are the ones who came up with the colors in the 90s

[Longweather]

Given the lack of popularity for the wall and for Trump many are technically putting themselves out of a job anyway come 2020.

And I welcome a even bigger blue wave in 2020

I really hope not. I live in a state completely dominated by Democrats in the state legislature. The regressive taxes and nonsense happening are not fun.

[Thermodolia]

And I welcome a even bigger blue wave in 2020

I really hope not. I live in a state completely dominated by Democrats in the state legislature. The regressive taxes and nonsense happening are not fun.

I’d welcome one. But only because I live under a republican single party state.

[Kowani]

I really hope not. I live in a state completely dominated by Democrats in the state legislature. The regressive taxes and nonsense happening are not fun.

I’d welcome one. But only because I live under a republican single party state.

That's...not fun.

[Cetacea]

SO
If Trump does try and declare a 'State of Emergency' and thus give himself 'Special Powers' whose job is it to say "No?"

and what happens if 'they' do, and he still orders the Engineering Corps to head south with a few tons of steel? Will Trump be arrested? are USACE obliged to follow orders?

its fascinating to watch from the other side of the world

[The Alma Mater]

SO
If Trump does try and declare a 'State of Emergency' and thus give himself 'Special Powers' whose job is it to say "No?"

and what happens if 'they' do, and he still orders the Engineering Corps to head south with a few tons of steel? Will Trump be arrested? are USACE obliged to follow orders?

its fascinating to watch from the other side of the world

I would love to see the engineering corps march down without any sort of plans for construction or permission to build on private land and nature reserves.
I hope they bring lots of coffee while waiting.

[Thermodolia]

SO
If Trump does try and declare a 'State of Emergency' and thus give himself 'Special Powers' whose job is it to say "No?"

and what happens if 'they' do, and he still orders the Engineering Corps to head south with a few tons of steel? Will Trump be arrested? are USACE obliged to follow orders?

its fascinating to watch from the other side of the world

It would be highly illegal and most likely erupt into civil unrest/war. Shit would hit the fan quickly. Most likely his cabinet would oust him using the 25th. Though it’s possible we could see a military coup.