by GnosticChristian » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:25 pm
by The Sherpa Empire » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:43 pm
GnosticChristian wrote:Do you agree that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
by Xmara » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:52 pm
by Benuty » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:13 pm
by Benuty » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:14 pm
Genivaria wrote:This belongs in the CDT.
by Mardla » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:15 pm
by Clarcia » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:16 pm
by Xmara » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:17 pm
by Mardla » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:22 pm
Clarcia wrote:Genivaria wrote:Yes that and the concept of 'original sin' doesn't leave much room for personal responsibility.
I find it ironic that in the Christian faith, God made man able to sin, let them sin/be corrupted by the snake, held man accountable and literally genocide the initial run of man except Noah and his family, and then after tons of punishing men and screwing with them in the New Testament, kills himself/his son to atone for the people that ‘disobeyed’ him.
So, Hod sacrificed himself/his son to himself!
This is one of the reasons why I find Christianity ridiculous.
by Mardla » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:23 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:24 pm
Benuty wrote:Genivaria wrote:Yes that and the concept of 'original sin' doesn't leave much room for personal responsibility.
Ehh...that depends unless you are one of those branches that believes in "once saved, always saved". I kind of agree with the Mormons that you have to be truly reprehensible to be cast out from all of creation, and basically rot in the void (what they call outer darkness). That said I believe that the point of salvation is to not sin anymore so personal responsibility is part of that.
by Main » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:26 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:26 pm
Mardla wrote:Clarcia wrote:
I find it ironic that in the Christian faith, God made man able to sin, let them sin/be corrupted by the snake, held man accountable and literally genocide the initial run of man except Noah and his family, and then after tons of punishing men and screwing with them in the New Testament, kills himself/his son to atone for the people that ‘disobeyed’ him.
So, Hod sacrificed himself/his son to himself!
This is one of the reasons why I find Christianity ridiculous.
Christ's sacrifice was allow the living and the dead (Christ went to Hades) to commune with God via an incarnation. Christ's death is something we participate in in order to participate in His Resurrection.
by Mardla » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:28 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:31 pm
Mardla wrote:Genivaria wrote:Because he brought up that 'hubris' was a sin, and I merely pointed out that so is jealousy and wrath which are both part of the biblical god's character.
God's jealousy is about worship of other gods, which is considered theological adultery in the Bible.
God's wrath is about as sinful as Christ's (who is God)
by Imperial Esplanade » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:33 pm
But the Lord stood by me, and gave me strength. (2 Timothy 4:17)One of the keys to happiness is a bad memory. (Rita Mae Brown)
by Purpelia » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:24 pm
by Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:28 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:37 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
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