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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
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Yes
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Left-Authoritarianism
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Democratic Communist Federation
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:19 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Not to mention the misconceptions around it,l. A lot of people assume social democracy is democratic socialism, or that democratic socialism is an oxymoron, or what have you.


Yes. Well, until about 100 years ago, democratic socialism and social democracy were a single movement. They split for obvious reasons.
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Aellex
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Postby Aellex » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:53 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Aellex wrote:>wanting to subordinate oneself to abominable intelligence for petty hedonism
Disgusting smh


Luddite thinking like this is why the West is going to lose the technological race to the PRC.

That shit has me afraid. Unironically afraid. One wrong step with it and we fuck ourselves back to the stone age, it's a our modern version of nukes.

The PRC are fucking insane fools who do gene manipulation on humans and will probably soon (if they haven't already) go full apeshit with cloning too.
They aren't exemples to emulate.
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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:31 pm

Aellex wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Luddite thinking like this is why the West is going to lose the technological race to the PRC.

That shit has me afraid. Unironically afraid. One wrong step with it and we fuck ourselves back to the stone age, it's a our modern version of nukes.

The PRC are fucking insane fools who do gene manipulation on humans and will probably soon (if they haven't already) go full apeshit with cloning too.
They aren't exemples to emulate.

Wouldn't be surprised if China eventually ventured into a conflict with the entire West and maybe even Russia. They're quickly transforming themselves into the next NK, and their social credit policy (plus Xi's recent speech defending power centralization to the CPC) doesn't weaken this hypothesis at all.
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Postby Autarkheia » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:21 pm

Nah, Maoist China was much more like North Korea, with the low-tech agrarian famine stuff and the command economy. Post-reform China is hard to compare to anything else in history but it's turning into something more sci-fi, like Nineteen Eighty-Four meets one of the villainous factions from Star Wars.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:57 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:There's lots of completely empty nothingness in the middle of Australia, northern Greenland, the deepest parts of the Amazon...
Perfect places to start a commune centered around "not doing work"!


Torra seems to have quite the harem smitten with her here on LWDT, given how much you all are circlejerking about her.


Deep down, they too want to break free from the shackles of the Luddite, Puritan mindset of working until you drop dead, but they're just mad because I suggested it first >:3
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Postby Frievolk » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:01 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Torra seems to have quite the harem smitten with her here on LWDT, given how much you all are circlejerking about her.


Deep down, they too want to break free from the shackles of the Luddite, Puritan mindset of working until you drop dead, but they're just mad because I suggested it first >:3

Honestly I can't trust a person who likes working. It's never a good sign.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:47 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Deep down, they too want to break free from the shackles of the Luddite, Puritan mindset of working until you drop dead, but they're just mad because I suggested it first >:3

Honestly I can't trust a person who likes working. It's never a good sign.


There's probably quite a few people who equate work to freedom or some sort of loony shit.

Which reminds me of something... I just can't quite put my finger on it...
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Grenartia
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:55 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Deep down, they too want to break free from the shackles of the Luddite, Puritan mindset of working until you drop dead, but they're just mad because I suggested it first >:3

Honestly I can't trust a person who likes working. It's never a good sign.


Neither can I. Nobody who says they'd rather work than do anything else should be trusted.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:04 am

Grenartia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Honestly I can't trust a person who likes working. It's never a good sign.


Neither can I. Nobody who says they'd rather work than do anything else should be trusted.


Why? (I honestly can’t tell if you’re, or the others, are joking).

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The National Salvation Front for Russia
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Postby The National Salvation Front for Russia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:17 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Why? (I honestly can’t tell if you’re, or the others, are joking).

Yeah, it's stupid, verging on "wrong fun" levels.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ubekibekibekibekistanstan » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:22 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So I retook this
test, and last time I ended up getting Eugene Debs, but now that I’ve retaken it, I got Trotsky.

I got Eugene Debs (90%).

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:48 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So I retook this
test, and last time I ended up getting Eugene Debs, but now that I’ve retaken it, I got Trotsky.


...Rosa Luxembourg?

What?

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Dumb Ideologies
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:38 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So I retook this
test, and last time I ended up getting Eugene Debs, but now that I’ve retaken it, I got Trotsky.


...Rosa Luxembourg?

What?


Lol, I got the canal-polluting traitor as well. Such things happen when there's an inadequate range of choices, yep.
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Postby The National Salvation Front for Russia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:45 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Lol, I got the canal-polluting traitor as well. Such things happen when there's an inadequate range of choices, yep.

Just a smidgen harsh, considering she was thrown into the canal after being brutally murdered by right-wing thugs.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:49 am

The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Lol, I got the canal-polluting traitor as well. Such things happen when there's an inadequate range of choices, yep.

Just a smidgen harsh, considering she was thrown into the canal after being brutally murdered by right-wing thugs.


I think you mean "justly eliminated by good patriotic boys operating on behalf of the legitimate state".
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby The National Salvation Front for Russia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:52 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I think you mean "justly eliminated by good patriotic boys operating on behalf of the legitimate state".

> "Weimar Republic is legitimate"
> "We're operating on behalf of the legitimate state"

Freikorp boys bamboozled.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:59 am

The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:I think you mean "justly eliminated by good patriotic boys operating on behalf of the legitimate state".

> "Weimar Republic is legitimate"
> "We're operating on behalf of the legitimate state"

Freikorp boys bamboozled.


Sadly yes. T'was but a brief moment of situational harmony between the naturally aligned forces of socialism and conservatism, forces that ideally would have unified in perpetuity against the twin society and culture-destroying evils of communism and capitalism :^)
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:13 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
...Rosa Luxembourg?

What?


Lol, I got the canal-polluting traitor as well. Such things happen when there's an inadequate range of choices, yep.


Eh, she did take part in the Spartacist Uprising, so no comment.

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Postby Aellex » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:45 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Neither can I. Nobody who says they'd rather work than do anything else should be trusted.


Why? (I honestly can’t tell if you’re, or the others, are joking).

Work is a necessary evil we have to inflict on ourselves but an evil nonetheless.
That it's named after a torture method in most Latin language is telling, I'd say. :p
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Postby Silver Commonwealth » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:58 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So I retook this
test, and last time I ended up getting Eugene Debs, but now that I’ve retaken it, I got Trotsky.


...Rosa Luxembourg?

What?

I am confused as well. I thought, that I would get Debs, but meh. Still a socdem, though. :p
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:37 am

Silver Commonwealth wrote:I am confused as well. I thought, that I would get Debs, but meh. Still a socdem, though. :p


Online tests, with a few exceptions, are not scientific. They should generally be taken with a grain of salt.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:40 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Silver Commonwealth wrote:I am confused as well. I thought, that I would get Debs, but meh. Still a socdem, though. :p


Online tests, with a few exceptions, are not scientific. They should generally be taken with a grain of salt.


Fucking Rosa Luxembourg, though...

Talk about an insult.

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Postby Reikoku » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:39 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So I retook this
test, and last time I ended up getting Eugene Debs, but now that I’ve retaken it, I got Trotsky.


Stalin.

Makes sense.

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Postby Autarkheia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:44 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Sadly yes. T'was but a brief moment of situational harmony between the naturally aligned forces of socialism and conservatism, forces that ideally would have unified in perpetuity against the twin society and culture-destroying evils of communism and capitalism :^)
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Reikoku wrote:Stalin.

Makes sense.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:25 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Fucking Rosa Luxembourg, though...

Talk about an insult.


It's not to me, since I am a Luxemburgist. :blink:
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