LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[Torrocca]

Nay, the joke is on you, for you see, you can unite with your comrades in a democratic way and become a genuine worker cooperative and thus still be a comrade! :3

'Can be'
-Implying that you're offering him a choice.

Seeing as how I believe in the Anarchist idea of voluntary association, he's totally allowed to choose for himself here. I'd just like to see him go down the better path of camaraderie and liberty with his fellow workers. :3

[Western Vale Confederacy]

'Can be'
-Implying that you're offering him a choice.

Seeing as how I believe in the Anarchist idea of voluntary association, he's totally allowed to choose for himself here. I'd just like to see him go down the better path of camaraderie and liberty with his fellow workers. :3

You do realize the vast majority of people would refuse your offer, right?

[Torrocca]

Seeing as how I believe in the Anarchist idea of voluntary association, he's totally allowed to choose for himself here. I'd just like to see him go down the better path of camaraderie and liberty with his fellow workers. :3

You do realize the vast majority of people would refuse your offer, right?

I don't think most people would voluntarily choose to be bossed around by somebody. This is a bit anecdotal, but you do realize how often people complain about their bosses in general, right?

[Autarkheia]

Okay, that's enough shitposting. That is why I'm not an anarchist though: you are not going to get seven billion people to all agree to dismantle the state and live in a collectivist utopia. Anarchists can't even get the tiny fraction of the population they make up to agree on what kind of anarchism is best.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

You do realize the vast majority of people would refuse your offer, right?

I don't think most people would voluntarily choose to be bossed around by somebody. This is a bit anecdotal, but you do realize how often people complain about their bosses in general, right?

Petty complaints about your superiors isn't exactly a firm ground for a revolution.

[Torrocca]

I don't think most people would voluntarily choose to be bossed around by somebody. This is a bit anecdotal, but you do realize how often people complain about their bosses in general, right?

Petty complaints about your superiors isn't exactly a firm ground for a revolution.

It is, however, a stepping stone toward it, and just one of many that rise from the ground created by Capitalism's many, many faults.

[Autarkheia]

A few minor gripes about your manager = ABOLISH EVERYTHING

ok enough shitposting for real now tho

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Petty complaints about your superiors isn't exactly a firm ground for a revolution.

It is, however, a stepping stone toward it, and just one of many that rise from the ground created by Capitalism's many, many faults.

That is the equivalent of attempting to correct a bunch of loose doors by tearing down the house and building a new one with unproven construction techniques.

[Mardla]

The Nazis were pretty much the sole reason racism and eugenics were widely stigmatized, especially by baby boomers.

And certain segments of the right have not gotten the memo.

Why should they if socialists didn't?

[Autarkheia]

Silly liberal. We will not have houses in Anarchtopia, we will all live in communal lodges.

Why should they if socialists didn't?

That's a bad argument and you know it. That there were racist leftists (and there were) doesn't change the fact that all your political idols are massively racist and my only point is you ought to be uncomfortable with that.

[Mardla]

Silly liberal. We will not have houses in Anarchtopia, we will all live in communal lodges.

Why should they if socialists didn't?

That's a bad argument and you know it. That there were racist leftists (and there were) doesn't change the fact that all your political idols are massively racist and my only point is you ought to be uncomfortable with that.

My point was rather that socialism doesn't get as stigmatized as racism.

My favorite living political theorist, Paul Gottfried, vehemently attacks MLK, Jr. I don't really give a fuck.

[Mardla]

A few minor gripes about your manager = ABOLISH EVERYTHING

ok enough shitposting for real now tho

Repeal everything.

[Torrocca]

It is, however, a stepping stone toward it, and just one of many that rise from the ground created by Capitalism's many, many faults.

That is the equivalent of attempting to correct a bunch of loose doors by tearing down the house and building a new one with unproven construction techniques.

It's more equivalent to (as I've stated previously) fixing a burning building with a fire engine rather than a fire extinguisher.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That is the equivalent of attempting to correct a bunch of loose doors by tearing down the house and building a new one with unproven construction techniques.

It's more equivalent to (as I've stated previously) fixing a burning building with a fire engine rather than a fire extinguisher.

The building isn't burning though. It just has some flaws that need ironed out with things like a better minimum wage system (I still advocate repealing the minimum wage entirely and replacing it with a law that pegs minimum wage to the cost of living in whatever area that business finds itself in) and a maximum wage.

[Mardla]

It's more equivalent to (as I've stated previously) fixing a burning building with a fire engine rather than a fire extinguisher.

The building isn't burning though. It just has some flaws that need ironed out with things like a better minimum wage system (I still advocate repealing the minimum wage entirely and replacing it with a law that pegs minimum wage to the cost of living in whatever area that business finds itself in) and a maximum wage.

You need a lot more than that, gotta get rid of usury and speculators. The financiers, the bankers

[Northern Davincia]

TIL'd a fair wage is a few McCoins an hour while the McBoss hordes billions of McCoins in multiple off-shore accounts

[Mardla]

Also minimum wage itself makes cost of living rise, you would have to constantly adjust it every month

[Autarkheia]

My point was rather that socialism doesn't get as stigmatized as racism.

Communism (as in Marxist-Leninism, because I just know -someone- will probably try to not-real-communism me) deserves a much harsher stigma, especially among the left and young people, who often bend over backwards to defend it. Other kinds of socialism are relatively innocuous.

My favorite living political theorist, Paul Gottfried, vehemently attacks MLK, Jr. I don't really give a fuck.

Okay. I just hope you aren't a racist yourself. If you are, fuck you. If you aren't, my apologies.

[Mardla]

My point was rather that socialism doesn't get as stigmatized as racism.

Communism (as in Marxist-Leninism, because I just know -someone- will probably try to not-real-communism me) deserves a much harsher stigma, especially among the left and young people, who often bend over backwards to defend it. Other kinds of socialism are relatively innocuous.

My favorite living political theorist, Paul Gottfried, vehemently attacks MLK, Jr. I don't really give a fuck.

Okay. I just hope you aren't a racist yourself. If you are, fuck you. If you aren't, my apologies.

Communism is not different from socialism except sometimes it's posited as a later, stateless stage in Leninism (Marx did not distinguish terminology for that stage). The USSR was a socialist state.

[Autarkheia]

Communism is not different from socialism except sometimes it's posited as a later, stateless stage in Leninism (Marx did not distinguish terminology for that stage). The USSR was a socialist state.

I already discussed this today. Socialism is older than Marxism. All Marxists are socialists, but not all socialists are Marxists. It is a specific approach to socialism. I don't have the energy to go into more depth today so hopefully some kind socialist will share their wealth of knowledge on the subject.

Marx wasn't the only socialist to ever live and there have been socialists who have disagreed with him ever since Marxism has been a thing, and probably the majority of them today don't. In my experience it's mostly American conservatives who want to equate all socialism with Marxism to smear it as a failure.

[Mardla]

Communism is not different from socialism except sometimes it's posited as a later, stateless stage in Leninism (Marx did not distinguish terminology for that stage). The USSR was a socialist state.

I already discussed this today. Socialism is older than Marxism. All Marxists are socialists, but not all socialists are Marxists. It is a specific approach to socialism. I don't have the energy to go into more depth today so hopefully some kind socialist will share their wealth of knowledge on the subject.

Marx wasn't the only socialist to ever live and there have been socialists who have disagreed with him ever since Marxism has been a thing, and probably the majority of them today don't. In my experience it's mostly American conservatives who want to equate all socialism with Marxism to smear it as a failure.

Yet the left equates all racism and white supremacism with Nazism.

[Frievolk]

I already discussed this today. Socialism is older than Marxism. All Marxists are socialists, but not all socialists are Marxists. It is a specific approach to socialism. I don't have the energy to go into more depth today so hopefully some kind socialist will share their wealth of knowledge on the subject.

Marx wasn't the only socialist to ever live and there have been socialists who have disagreed with him ever since Marxism has been a thing, and probably the majority of them today don't. In my experience it's mostly American conservatives who want to equate all socialism with Marxism to smear it as a failure.

Yet the left equates all racism and white supremacism with Nazism.

If it makes the regular person hate all racism and white supremacism only due to their closeness to the often-hated Nazism, that's all the better.

[Autarkheia]

Yet the left equates all racism and white supremacism with Nazism.

Which is irrelevant. I don't agree with the left misusing the term Nazism either.

Either way, it's a false equivalence. Some forms of socialism are bad; all forms of racism are bad.

[Frievolk]

Yet the left equates all racism and white supremacism with Nazism.

Which is irrelevant. I don't agree with the left overusing the term Nazism either.

Actually, as long as it gets the general population to also correlate select items with Nazism (and thus hate it) I can tolerate the academic dishonesty.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Which is irrelevant. I don't agree with the left overusing the term Nazism either.

Interesting. Why is that? I ask that question as the child of Ashkenazi Jewish parents who, like all Ashenazis, lost relatives in the Holocaust. IMO, the problem is not using it enough, not overusing it.