Essays of the Carbon Pen

[Unibot III]

An analysis of Francoism is not complete without discussing Pacifica.

That having been said, I agree with many of the points advocated here. Early in my time in NS, when I introduced the term, "regionalism," I identified NPO as regionalist. Nowadays, I don't consider things so clear cut. I think the NPO as a regime in the Pacific is conventionally regionalist - no outsider is going to rise the ranks in the Pacific quickly without upsetting the apple cart. Domestically, the New Pacific Order, is regionalist - perhaps more regionalist than it is Francoist. But as an ideology, Francoism is only quasi-regionalist. It's classist rhetoric can have cosmopolitian implications.

Polysemes leaves the matter unanswered as to whether an 'inclusive regionalism' is possible: one that reconciles negative nativeness (liberalism) with regionalism. I would muse that Francoism is the antithesis to that question, it reconciles positive nativeness with cosmopolitanism for an imperial motivation.

[Some Thoughts]

Your thoughts are indeed quite interesting. I may be inspired to write something new in the future in regards to your topic.

Also, I'm not Sygian. >_<

[Milozoldyck]

The People’s Republic began to elect its Chairmans, and although I was not present there, I deduce that, if Pergamon is to be believed that the PRL was managed by “select NPO Senators”, this was where the power struggle between the NPO and the Defenders heated up. I have reason to suspect this due to what transpired later: the New Lazarene Order was declared in a coup after the banning of defenders at this time.

This is all completely wrong.

1. There was no power struggle between the NPO and Defenders.
2. In fact, there was no power struggle at all.

3. There was no "banning of defenders" prior to the NLO.
4. In fact, there was not even a banning of a multiple people prior to the NLO.

5. The one person who was banned, Funkadelia, was banned for reasons completely unrelated to R/D. (Nothing bad.)

[Carbon Pen]

The People’s Republic began to elect its Chairmans, and although I was not present there, I deduce that, if Pergamon is to be believed that the PRL was managed by “select NPO Senators”, this was where the power struggle between the NPO and the Defenders heated up. I have reason to suspect this due to what transpired later: the New Lazarene Order was declared in a coup after the banning of defenders at this time.

This is all completely wrong.

1. There was no power struggle between the NPO and Defenders.
2. In fact, there was no power struggle at all.

3. There was no "banning of defenders" prior to the NLO.
4. In fact, there was not even a banning of a multiple people prior to the NLO.

5. The one person who was banned, Funkadelia, was banned for reasons completely unrelated to R/D. (Nothing bad.)

Apologies for contradicting your recollection of these events. I was not personally there, and I based this portion on this speech by Pergamon (here: https://ns.npowned.net/forum/index.php? ... ent=218828). I warned you there by saying "...if Pergamon is to be believed..."

[Milozoldyck]

This is all completely wrong.

1. There was no power struggle between the NPO and Defenders.
2. In fact, there was no power struggle at all.

3. There was no "banning of defenders" prior to the NLO.
4. In fact, there was not even a banning of a multiple people prior to the NLO.

5. The one person who was banned, Funkadelia, was banned for reasons completely unrelated to R/D. (Nothing bad.)

Apologies for contradicting your recollection of these events. I was not personally there, and I based this portion on this speech by Pergamon (here: https://ns.npowned.net/forum/index.php? ... ent=218828). I warned you there by saying "...if Pergamon is to be believed..."

Saying this is like warning me "if Alex Jones is to be believed."

If you wish to be an essayist, you have to bear responsibility for presenting factual information and using good sources.

Even if you consider Pergamon a good source (which he 100% isn't), you could have consulted additional references.

[Milozoldyck]

Having said that, I don't mean to be a dick. It just drives me nuts to see something so wrong when doing basic research would've shown that Stujenske ejected Funk over an extremely trivial flag dispute. There were no bannings, power struggles, or beefs between defenders and the NPO.

The notion that the NPO was defender-aligned at all is an insane myth, frankly. Krulltopia didn't care for defenders, and had no real opinion about the PRL.

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edit: Bolding the red because this is a verifiable fact that is completely overlooked by the entirety of Gameplay and demonstrates how absolutely clueless everyone is. I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention it publicly, but anyone who was actually there will tell you that it's what happened.

Stu simply got tired of Funk's personality and banjected him. NPO Delenda Est.

[Unibot III]

Having said that, I don't mean to be a dick. It just drives me nuts to see something so wrong when doing basic research would've shown that Stujenske ejected Funk over an extremely trivial flag dispute. There were no bannings, power struggles, or beefs between defenders and the NPO.

The notion that the NPO was defender-aligned at all is an insane myth, frankly. Krulltopia didn't care for defenders, and had no real opinion about the PRL.

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edit: Bolding the red because this is a verifiable fact that is completely overlooked by the entirety of Gameplay and demonstrates how absolutely clueless everyone is. I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention it publicly, but anyone who was actually there will tell you that it's what happened.

Stu simply got tired of Funk's personality and banjected him. NPO Delenda Est.

Honestly when that ban happened, I thought Stu’s recent frustration with Lazarus had come to boil and he overreacted towards Funk and that he might have been ... impaired... so I was waiting before condemning Stu because I wanted to reach out to him first and try to persuade him it wasn’t too late to walk it back.

It became obvious within 12 hours that that delay had been naive on my part.

[Xoriet]

I think the NPO as a regime in the Pacific is conventionally regionalist - no outsider is going to rise the ranks in the Pacific quickly without upsetting the apple cart. Domestically, the New Pacific Order, is regionalist - perhaps more regionalist than it is Francoist.

Minor disagreement here: I'm Senator seven months after joining NPO with an extensive history in other regions, including holding officer and leadership positions in regions NPO has been in conflict with in the past and in the present: The Black Hawks and Lone Wolves United. I also participated in the battle against the New Lazarene Order through both militaries I ran at the time - EPSA and LWU. Upon getting Senator, Osiris can be included in that list of regions I had a history in that were in conflict with NPO. When I retired, I was all four of those regions. After leaving TEP, I joined NPO. I was a trainee in the PG within three months and a full PG in five months and commanding military ops earlier than usual, which is, while due to working a good deal in TP, nonetheless not necessarily in agreement with an argument stating that an outsider will not rise in the ranks with any measure of speed. I was not a native of NPO and had never really been a friend to NPO itself in the past and only got to know any of them this year.

[Pierconium]

I think the NPO as a regime in the Pacific is conventionally regionalist - no outsider is going to rise the ranks in the Pacific quickly without upsetting the apple cart. Domestically, the New Pacific Order, is regionalist - perhaps more regionalist than it is Francoist.

Minor disagreement here: I'm Senator seven months after joining NPO with an extensive history in other regions, including holding officer and leadership positions in regions NPO has been in conflict with in the past and in the present: The Black Hawks and Lone Wolves United. I also participated in the battle against the New Lazarene Order through both militaries I ran at the time - EPSA and LWU. Upon getting Senator, Osiris can be included in that list of regions I had a history in that were in conflict with NPO. When I retired, I was all four of those regions. After leaving TEP, I joined NPO. I was a trainee in the PG within three months and a full PG in five months and commanding military ops earlier than usual, which is, while due to working a good deal in TP, nonetheless not necessarily in agreement with an argument stating that an outsider will not rise in the ranks with any measure of speed. I was not a native of NPO and had never really been a friend to NPO itself in the past and only got to know any of them this year.

Some people will never allow simple things like facts to change their view of what they envision the NPO to be, even though most of those expressing incorrect views on it have never actually been very high in its ranks.

The NPO has always been composed of the ‘best and brightest’ and the most meritorious among us have indeed risen to the top from relative obscurity. The hurt feelings some people seem to have when it is revealed to them that the Pacific has not deemed them to be thus is often seen played out in these sorts of views, be it walls of text discussing philosophical positions, or leading wild crusades to see the NPO removed. The end result is still the same.

[Old Hope]

The NPO has always been composed of the ‘best and brightest’ and the most meritorious among us have indeed risen to the top from relative obscurity. The hurt feelings some people seem to have when it is revealed to them that the Pacific has not deemed them to be thus is often seen played out in these sorts of views, be it walls of text discussing philosophical positions, or leading wild crusades to see the NPO removed. The end result is still the same.

Unfortunately, no. The NPO had some people in the past, including the recent past who held high ranks and did some bad things(like working with undesirable toxic people) - according to the current Emperor itself.

[Jar Wattinree]

The NPO has always been composed of the ‘best and brightest’ and the most meritorious among us have indeed risen to the top from relative obscurity. The hurt feelings some people seem to have when it is revealed to them that the Pacific has not deemed them to be thus is often seen played out in these sorts of views, be it walls of text discussing philosophical positions, or leading wild crusades to see the NPO removed. The end result is still the same.

Unfortunately, no. The NPO had some people in the past, including the recent past who held high ranks and did some bad things(like working with undesirable toxic people) - according to the current Emperor itself.

The relevancy I fail to see. Your point?

[Cormactopia Prime]

Some people will never allow simple things like facts to change their view of what they envision the NPO to be, even though most of those expressing incorrect views on it have never actually been very high in its ranks.

The NPO has always been composed of the ‘best and brightest’ and the most meritorious among us have indeed risen to the top from relative obscurity. The hurt feelings some people seem to have when it is revealed to them that the Pacific has not deemed them to be thus is often seen played out in these sorts of views, be it walls of text discussing philosophical positions, or leading wild crusades to see the NPO removed. The end result is still the same.

You heard it here first, folks. Apparently Feux and Pergamon, among the several others involved in all this, were among the NPO's "best and brightest."

[Pierconium]

Some people will never allow simple things like facts to change their view of what they envision the NPO to be, even though most of those expressing incorrect views on it have never actually been very high in its ranks.

The NPO has always been composed of the ‘best and brightest’ and the most meritorious among us have indeed risen to the top from relative obscurity. The hurt feelings some people seem to have when it is revealed to them that the Pacific has not deemed them to be thus is often seen played out in these sorts of views, be it walls of text discussing philosophical positions, or leading wild crusades to see the NPO removed. The end result is still the same.

You heard it here first, folks. Apparently Feux and Pergamon, among the several others involved in all this, were among the NPO's "best and brightest."

Of course, some people demanded promotion and then rage-quit when it was denied to them. I wonder what they are doing now?

[The Sygian]

Your thoughts are indeed quite interesting. I may be inspired to write something new in the future in regards to your topic.

Also, I'm not Sygian. >_<

Yes you are.

[Cormactopia Prime]

You heard it here first, folks. Apparently Feux and Pergamon, among the several others involved in all this, were among the NPO's "best and brightest."

Of course, some people demanded promotion and then rage-quit when it was denied to them. I wonder what they are doing now?

If you're implying I did that, that's not the case. I "rage-quit" the NPO in 2013 when Senator Gaspo ordered me to deploy stealth units to support Feux in Lazarus in preparation for him to perpetrate a coup and purge there. I refused to do that, and resigned in protest. I wasn't seeking a promotion at any point.

If you weren't implying that about me, my mistake. I honestly couldn't tell for sure. But I wanted to be clear on that regardless.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

As someone who participated in the NLO coup, I'm still waiting for literally any punishment at all. I don't think Lazarus even brought a court case against me.

[Saint Block]

Pretty sure I can call bullshit on Cormac’s account, since the NLO started as a spur of the moment thing. Not much you can prepare for when you’re operating off the fly. I was there.

[Unibot III]

Minor disagreement here: I'm Senator seven months after joining NPO with an extensive history in other regions, including holding officer and leadership positions in regions NPO has been in conflict with in the past and in the present: The Black Hawks and Lone Wolves United. I also participated in the battle against the New Lazarene Order through both militaries I ran at the time - EPSA and LWU. Upon getting Senator, Osiris can be included in that list of regions I had a history in that were in conflict with NPO. When I retired, I was all four of those regions. After leaving TEP, I joined NPO. I was a trainee in the PG within three months and a full PG in five months and commanding military ops earlier than usual, which is, while due to working a good deal in TP, nonetheless not necessarily in agreement with an argument stating that an outsider will not rise in the ranks with any measure of speed. I was not a native of NPO and had never really been a friend to NPO itself in the past and only got to know any of them this year.

Some people will never allow simple things like facts to change their view of what they envision the NPO to be, even though most of those expressing incorrect views on it have never actually been very high in its ranks.

The NPO has always been composed of the ‘best and brightest’ and the most meritorious among us have indeed risen to the top from relative obscurity. The hurt feelings some people seem to have when it is revealed to them that the Pacific has not deemed them to be thus is often seen played out in these sorts of views, be it walls of text discussing philosophical positions, or leading wild crusades to see the NPO removed. The end result is still the same.

I’ve never questioned the quality of those that the NPO appeals to. I’ve often lamented, even to NPOers, the fact that some of the most talented players of my generation were wasted on the New Pacific Order. I had the honour of introducing Milograd to Gameplay and he served as my right hand man in the United Defenders League; Feux is a creative workhorse, AMOM, an intelligence savant and a skeptic at heart, Karpathos was a ball of lightning and a free spirit. Sir Paul was an absolute genius with a pen - every bit as classy and charming as I had heard.

I should note however that there is a difference between appealing to talent and advancing talent to leadership. I watched much of my generation’s greatest players get old and miserable waiting for Krulltopia to leave. The NPO is an autocracy first, a meritocracy, second.

I get the sense that your comment was intended to be an attack, but I harbour no personal bitterness toward the New Pacific Order - I never intended to rise the ranks in the NPO. At the end of the day, I am a defender and I’ve told your senators as much. I was simply looking to help out with some things for a friend and enjoy NS from a different, quieter perspective in the summer of 2013.

@Xoriet: There is an internal hierarchy to the Senate which even junior senators aren’t made aware of. But you’ve been a committed regionalist for years, NPO would be silly not to regard you as genuine.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Pretty sure I can call bullshit on Cormac’s account, since the NLO started as a spur of the moment thing. Not much you can prepare for when you’re operating off the fly. I was there.

I'm not talking about the NLO, which was in 2015. I'm talking about a plot for a coup of Lazarus in early 2013 when Gaspo was a Senator, and when I was also briefly running the NPO's military. Essentially, Feux was nervous that Griffin Somerset was going to unseat him for Delegate in an upcoming election, and I was ordered to deploy the NPO's military in stealth to support Feux in a coup. I refused, and resigned in protest. Later in 2013, Feux did exactly what he had been planning to do when he purged imperialists from Lazarus -- it just wasn't accompanied by a full on coup. Instead, after Feux purged the imperialists and AMOM posted the NPO's Retort because I had finally outed their coup plot from earlier in the year, they got Harmoneia to post the manifesto Unibot had written and they established the People's Republic of Lazarus. That was essentially what they had been planning to do earlier in 2013, except they were planning for a more overt coup -- something more like the NLO -- but in the end they ended up going with the PRL.

All of this is well documented in this forum, but the threads are all from more than five years ago, so I'm not going to go digging around for them. If anyone is really interested in seeing whether my account is true though, it's all there in black and white to be read, you just have to dig it up.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

I think the NPO as a regime in the Pacific is conventionally regionalist - no outsider is going to rise the ranks in the Pacific quickly without upsetting the apple cart. Domestically, the New Pacific Order, is regionalist - perhaps more regionalist than it is Francoist.

Minor disagreement here: I'm Senator seven months after joining NPO with an extensive history in other regions, including holding officer and leadership positions in regions NPO has been in conflict with in the past and in the present: The Black Hawks and Lone Wolves United. I also participated in the battle against the New Lazarene Order through both militaries I ran at the time - EPSA and LWU. Upon getting Senator, Osiris can be included in that list of regions I had a history in that were in conflict with NPO. When I retired, I was all four of those regions. After leaving TEP, I joined NPO. I was a trainee in the PG within three months and a full PG in five months and commanding military ops earlier than usual, which is, while due to working a good deal in TP, nonetheless not necessarily in agreement with an argument stating that an outsider will not rise in the ranks with any measure of speed.

You really think the NPO made you a Senator because they think you deserve it(which, you may deserve it, but not my point), and not because they need as many NS NPO people as they could possibly get, since the rest of them got booted?

Becoming a Senator isn't so impressive when half the people holding the position just got purged from the region, and they need people with specific skills, rather than people who could actually be good Senators.

[Jar Wattinree]

Minor disagreement here: I'm Senator seven months after joining NPO with an extensive history in other regions, including holding officer and leadership positions in regions NPO has been in conflict with in the past and in the present: The Black Hawks and Lone Wolves United. I also participated in the battle against the New Lazarene Order through both militaries I ran at the time - EPSA and LWU. Upon getting Senator, Osiris can be included in that list of regions I had a history in that were in conflict with NPO. When I retired, I was all four of those regions. After leaving TEP, I joined NPO. I was a trainee in the PG within three months and a full PG in five months and commanding military ops earlier than usual, which is, while due to working a good deal in TP, nonetheless not necessarily in agreement with an argument stating that an outsider will not rise in the ranks with any measure of speed.

You really think the NPO made you a Senator because they think you deserve it(which, you may deserve it, but not my point), and not because they need as many NS NPO people as they could possibly get, since the rest of them got booted?

Becoming a Senator isn't so impressive when half the people holding the position just got purged from the region, and they need people with specific skills, rather than people who could actually be good Senators.

If "half the Senate which got booted" is restricted to just three people, one (Svez) of which was inactive and the other (Feux) hardly doing his job, then you may have a point. Unfortunately it falls flat on its face and is misinformation from a person who is out of their depth when speaking of the New Pacific Order.

[Milozoldyck]

That was essentially what they had been planning to do earlier in 2013, except they were planning for a more overt coup -- something more like the NLO -- but in the end they ended up going with the PRL.

THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THIS???

The PRL was my idea (coming from the fact that I loved running communist-themed dictatorships), and I then leveraged my ties in Lazarus to make it happen. Ask Harmoneia, Feux, or anyone who was there. The ejection of imperialists is the only continuity linking Gaspo to the PRL. He wanted to do that, Feux wanted to do that, and I wanted to do that. That was a legitimate "NPO thing."

But the PRL itself ... was purely a me thing.

A good sign that I might not be lying is how, earlier that year, I ran The South Pacific Socialist Republic, where I kicked out thousands of nations for pure lolz under a Hoxha-glorifying, mass-ejecting lulzregime.

Despite Gameplay's insistence of pretending otherwise, I had a goddamn ton to do with the formation of the People's Republic of Lazarus, and am really the best person to talk to about how it started.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm arguing that the PRL clearly wasn't an NPO operation because, if it were, making it have a communist theme and installing me as delegate would've made zero sense. I was not a trusted or popular player inter-regionally, and the communist theme was a homage to a wildly unpopular trollcoup earlier that year. That I did the PRL on my own volition is a far more logical conclusion than it being an NPO operation.

[Milozoldyck]

Some more beef, cuz Gameplay is clearly still hungry.

Factually speaking, the best tie to the NPO and Lazarus is the NPO's Retort, which should, in this day and age, be considered an essential historical document/clue about what truly happened. To my chagrin at the time, AMOM clearly came out and, as an NPO Senator, talked about having prior knowledge of action that was gonna happen in Lazarus. That was an awful look. Calling the thread "the NPO's Retort" was also a terrible move.

AMOM's thinking, though, was understandable. He thought he would be promoted, or be a potential successor to Krull (hint: this isn't what happened, Rothinzil and Elegarth were the favorites). Under this thinking, it made sense to develop a reputation for defending GCR sovereignty as an agent of the Pacific.

After becoming skeptical of Pacifica's meritocracy, he eventually burned out and started fucking around. A common story.

Conclusion: The NPO itself didn't do much in Lazarus unless you construe AMOM's awareness of the plot to remove imperialists an NPO activity. Future incidents are best characterized as a group of Senators/former Senators (in the case of myself) messing around in other regions because they were disgruntled in their home region. I identified far more as a Lazarene than a Pacifican by the time I was finished with my PRL delegacy, because the PRL was a legitimate meritocracy. Who my successor was ought to prove that.


NPO Delenda Est

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

You really think the NPO made you a Senator because they think you deserve it(which, you may deserve it, but not my point), and not because they need as many NS NPO people as they could possibly get, since the rest of them got booted?

Becoming a Senator isn't so impressive when half the people holding the position just got purged from the region, and they need people with specific skills, rather than people who could actually be good Senators.

If "half the Senate which got booted" is restricted to just three people, one (Svez) of which was inactive and the other (Feux) hardly doing his job, then you may have a point. Unfortunately it falls flat on its face and is misinformation from a person who is out of their depth when speaking of the New Pacific Order.

So then the NPO is just terrible at picking Senators, by picking inactive and incompetent people. Got it.

Future incidents are best characterized as a group of Senators/former Senators (in the case of myself) messing around in other regions because they were disgruntled in their home region.

So the NPO just enabled these people by not punishing them for couping other regions, which makes the NPO innocent?

[Milozoldyck]

If "half the Senate which got booted" is restricted to just three people, one (Svez) of which was inactive and the other (Feux) hardly doing his job, then you may have a point. Unfortunately it falls flat on its face and is misinformation from a person who is out of their depth when speaking of the New Pacific Order.

So then the NPO is just terrible at picking Senators, by picking inactive and incompetent people. Got it.

Are you contributing to the NPO war effort beyond making quips like these? Genuine question.