#MeToo Becomes #LeaveMeAlone

[Dekerin Domains]

If feminists want to save their movement, they should expel all misandrists from it the same way that Buckley expelled the John Birch Society from the conservative movement.

[Ostroeuropa]

He was punished for being "sexist" to women. The unreasonability of the feminist movement has escalated beyond arbitrary, one sided, and unhinged standards for sexual harassment, and has escalated into arbtirary, one sided, and unhinged standards for sexual abuse as MeToo demonstrates.

So you are threadjacking to talk about feminism in general through examples that are not even tangentially related to #MeToo and sexual harrassment or assault.

Like I said, MeToo is merely the latest in a long line of anti-due process pro-male demonization campaigns by the feminist movement. Viewing each lynching the Klan does as different because they rebrand themselves each time and demanding WE prove that YOU haven't lynched an innocent person this time is disingenuous

[Imperializt Russia]

The post was positively dripping with sarcasm, you just missed it.

we all missed it. considering that there are people in this thread that actually thing like that, the sarcasm isn't obvious.

Including you, since you also missed the intended point of the post.

Did they shut down r/braincells again?

[Ostroeuropa]

but you must see that that isn't always the case, right? a few separated examples does not account for all the men falsely accused.

Neither do the Franken and the Ansari examples.

Those aren't the only examples. What the presence of these examples prove is that the movement is not what you claim it is.

[Dekerin Domains]

So you are threadjacking to talk about feminism in general through examples that are not even tangentially related to #MeToo and sexual harrassment or assault.

Like I said, MeToo is merely the latest in a long line of anti-due process pro-male demonization campaigns by the feminist movement. Viewing each lynching the Klan does because they rebrand themselves each time and demanding WE prove that YOU haven't lynched an innocent person this time is disingenuous

Indeed.

[Liriena]

Al Franken seems like a genuinely good guy, but he was not innocent.

As I pointed out once, George Takei was apparently falsely accused, he denied any wrongdoing, and he's been able to carry on with his public life with no inconvenience.

What actual offense did Franken commit? That has been proven in a court of law before he was hounded out of office?

Also, the very fact for me, that feminists are now attacking and accusing George Takei for even a second is very chilling.

Anyway, the point for me remains that you can be a fucking choirboy or you can be Bill Maher and someone will accuse you if you are a man, plain and simple. Sooner or later, it will happen to every man, regardless of politics, religion, etc. They won't be happy until they've removed us all from any position of power. That's what this is ultimately about: a complete female takeover of everything, reducing men to peonage.

I'm not saying that feminists in general support this, but they're willfully blind to those who really do have that agenda among them. Hiding behind catchphrases like "The Future Is Female."

You're sharting out a lot of random nonsense there, dude.

Also, "feminists" didn't accuse Takei. A man did.

Also, Franken voluntarily resigned after agreeing to an investigation. You don't have to be tried and convicted in a criminal court (specially for something that was probably well beyond statutes of limitations) to voluntarily resign from a political position. And let's not forget that that was the full extent of his self-inflicted "punishment": resigning from the Senate.

[Dekerin Domains]

we all missed it. considering that there are people in this thread that actually thing like that, the sarcasm isn't obvious.

Including you, since you also missed the intended point of the post.

Did they shut down r/braincells again?

I'm not a mind reader and I don't assume a tone from a post. That hardly makes me an imbecile.

[Ostroeuropa]

What actual offense did Franken commit? That has been proven in a court of law before he was hounded out of office?

Also, the very fact for me, that feminists are now attacking and accusing George Takei for even a second is very chilling.

Anyway, the point for me remains that you can be a fucking choirboy or you can be Bill Maher and someone will accuse you if you are a man, plain and simple. Sooner or later, it will happen to every man, regardless of politics, religion, etc. They won't be happy until they've removed us all from any position of power. That's what this is ultimately about: a complete female takeover of everything, reducing men to peonage.

I'm not saying that feminists in general support this, but they're willfully blind to those who really do have that agenda among them. Hiding behind catchphrases like "The Future Is Female."

You're sharting out a lot of random nonsense there, dude.

Also, "feminists" didn't accuse Takei. A man did.

Also, Franken voluntarily resigned after agreeing to an investigation. You don't have to be tried and convicted in a criminal court (specially for something that was probably well beyond statutes of limitations) to voluntarily resign from a political position. And let's not forget that that was the full extent of his self-inflicted "punishment": resigning from the Senate.

It's hardly a free decision when the alternative is harassment and demonization. You can quit your job, or we'll harass you for years, is not a free choice. That he did resign is indicative of the dynamic feminists have imposed.

[Liriena]

Neither do the Franken and the Ansari examples.

Those aren't the only examples. What the presence of these examples prove is that the movement is not what you claim it is.

And what do I claim it is? Did I claim it had a flawless 100% true accusation rate and is completely deprived of malicious individuals?

[Dekerin Domains]

What actual offense did Franken commit? That has been proven in a court of law before he was hounded out of office?

Also, the very fact for me, that feminists are now attacking and accusing George Takei for even a second is very chilling.

Anyway, the point for me remains that you can be a fucking choirboy or you can be Bill Maher and someone will accuse you if you are a man, plain and simple. Sooner or later, it will happen to every man, regardless of politics, religion, etc. They won't be happy until they've removed us all from any position of power. That's what this is ultimately about: a complete female takeover of everything, reducing men to peonage.

I'm not saying that feminists in general support this, but they're willfully blind to those who really do have that agenda among them. Hiding behind catchphrases like "The Future Is Female."

You're sharting out a lot of random nonsense there, dude.

Also, "feminists" didn't accuse Takei. A man did.

Also, Franken voluntarily resigned after agreeing to an investigation. You don't have to be tried and convicted in a criminal court (specially for something that was probably well beyond statutes of limitations) to voluntarily resign from a political position. And let's not forget that that was the full extent of his self-inflicted "punishment": resigning from the Senate.

He "voluntarily" resigned after being hounded out of office and stabbed in the back by the likes of Kirsten Gillibrand. If there's a Hell, which I doubt, she deserves to spend at least a decade there.

[Imperializt Russia]

You're sharting out a lot of random nonsense there, dude.

Also, "feminists" didn't accuse Takei. A man did.

Also, Franken voluntarily resigned after agreeing to an investigation. You don't have to be tried and convicted in a criminal court (specially for something that was probably well beyond statutes of limitations) to voluntarily resign from a political position. And let's not forget that that was the full extent of his self-inflicted "punishment": resigning from the Senate.

He "voluntarily" resigned after being hounded out of office and stabbed in the back by the likes of Kirsten Gillibrand. If there's a Hell, which I doubt, she deserves to spend at least a decade there.

Oh, I forgot, you're the Precog of the Hill.

[Liriena]

So you are threadjacking to talk about feminism in general through examples that are not even tangentially related to #MeToo and sexual harrassment or assault.

Like I said, MeToo is merely the latest in a long line of anti-due process pro-male demonization campaigns by the feminist movement. Viewing each lynching the Klan does as different because they rebrand themselves each time and demanding WE prove that YOU haven't lynched an innocent person this time is disingenuous

Your black civil rights stolen valor is duly noted.

[Ostroeuropa]

Those aren't the only examples. What the presence of these examples prove is that the movement is not what you claim it is.

And what do I claim it is? Did I claim it had a flawless 100% true accusation rate and is completely deprived of malicious individuals?

What measures were taken by the movement and those who pushed it to ensure they didn't facilitate and assist those individuals?
Which action was more prevalent in the campaign, demonizing and shouting down everyone who noted false accusations, or taking them seriously and trying to prevent them?

[South Ccanda]

we all missed it. considering that there are people in this thread that actually thing like that, the sarcasm isn't obvious.

Including you, since you also missed the intended point of the post.

Did they shut down r/braincells again?

think so. so whats exactly the intended point?

[Ostroeuropa]

Like I said, MeToo is merely the latest in a long line of anti-due process pro-male demonization campaigns by the feminist movement. Viewing each lynching the Klan does as different because they rebrand themselves each time and demanding WE prove that YOU haven't lynched an innocent person this time is disingenuous

Your black civil rights stolen valor is duly noted.

This issue impacts minority men disproportionately due to the intersection of racism and sexism. Violence against the accused, especially in the UK where state violence was used, is not unheard of.

[Imperializt Russia]

Including you, since you also missed the intended point of the post.

Did they shut down r/braincells again?

think so. so whats exactly the intended point?

Apparently, everything you don't stand for.

[Balnik]

Ahhhhhh. MeToo.

A double edged sword, capable of bringing great evil to light but also capable of great damage and controversy, however it seems to me that it's been used for the latter now.

I think a lot of people started to doubt the movement after that Kavanaugh debacle. Where someone used it for some sort of gain (probably political) and accused him of sexual assault, leaving a permanent scar on him and his career even though no verdict was given and no evidence was found from an investigation

Now it feels like stepping on a minefield for men where one wrong step and you can get accused and lose your job and livelihood in the blink of an eye.

[Imperializt Russia]

Ahhhhhh. MeToo.

A double edged sword, capable of bringing great evil to light but also capable of great damage and controversy, however it seems to me that it's been used for the latter now.

I think a lot of people started to doubt the movement after that Kavanaugh debacle. Where someone used it for some sort of gain (probably political) and accused him of sexual assault, leaving a permanent scar on him and his career...

Pfffffffttt

He got fucking confirmed.

[Liriena]

And what do I claim it is? Did I claim it had a flawless 100% true accusation rate and is completely deprived of malicious individuals?

What measures were taken by the movement and those who pushed it to ensure they didn't facilitate and assist those individuals?
Which action was more prevalent in the campaign, demonizing and shouting down everyone who noted false accusations, or taking them seriously and trying to prevent them?

And what capacity would a hashtag movement have to micromanage its "membership" enough to prevent people using the hashtag from making false accusations?

"Mr Twitter, please ban people who lie while using our hashtag"?

[Dekerin Domains]

Let me share something.

I was sexually molested when I was young, by a male teacher. Yes, I would like to see him get his punishment, but the difference is that I would want him to be duly convicted after a proper trial in a court of law.

Also, if I had been molested by a female teacher, I would want the same thing, but I can guarantee you that it would be far less likely that she would be prosecuted than the man. That's part of the double standard that our society has.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ahhhhhh. MeToo.

A double edged sword, capable of bringing great evil to light but also capable of great damage and controversy, however it seems to me that it's been used for the latter now.

I think a lot of people started to doubt the movement after that Kavanaugh debacle. Where someone used it for some sort of gain (probably political) and accused him of sexual assault, leaving a permanent scar on him and his career...

Pfffffffttt

He got fucking confirmed.

There's the psychological impact to consider, and it is not merely "Being a judge" that is important to a career in legal. It is unlikely he will become any more influential than he currently is, which while substantially influential, is still damage to his career. He will likely not be the head of the court, and so on. His books are not likely to sell. He is probably going to be cited less. And so on.

[Ostroeuropa]

What measures were taken by the movement and those who pushed it to ensure they didn't facilitate and assist those individuals?
Which action was more prevalent in the campaign, demonizing and shouting down everyone who noted false accusations, or taking them seriously and trying to prevent them?

And what capacity would a hashtag movement have to micromanage its "membership" enough to prevent people using the hashtag from making false accusations?

"Mr Twitter, please ban people who lie while using our hashtag"?

It's not just a hashtag movement and pretending it is is being deliberately disingenuous. it involved feminist organizations, lobbyists, and feminist journalists and their behavior too.
Beyond that, you yourself are guilty of downplaying false accusations and pushing the same rhetoric because you decided hanging out in an irradiated pit was fine and people noting it was irradiated were lying.

[South Ccanda]

think so. so whats exactly the intended point?

Apparently, everything you don't stand for.

oh, okay

[Balnik]

Ahhhhhh. MeToo.

A double edged sword, capable of bringing great evil to light but also capable of great damage and controversy, however it seems to me that it's been used for the latter now.

I think a lot of people started to doubt the movement after that Kavanaugh debacle. Where someone used it for some sort of gain (probably political) and accused him of sexual assault, leaving a permanent scar on him and his career...

Pfffffffttt

He got fucking confirmed.

Indeed he did, lucky for him. But I cannot fathom how much of a strain that was on his relationships, his friendships, and his own psyche. I doubt he will ever be the same man after and will always have to carry the burden of what Ms. Ford accused him of.

[Liriena]

Your black civil rights stolen valor is duly noted.

This issue impacts minority men disproportionately due to the intersection of racism and sexism. Violence against the accused, especially in the UK where state violence was used, is not unheard of.

Imagine trying to justify your comparison of #MeToo with the past crimes of the Klan, which preceded #MeToo and even feminism as a whole, by pointing the finger at present troubles.