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by Yokiria » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:21 am
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:24 am
Yokiria wrote:And per Milo's request yet again, "NPO Delenda Est."
by Armaros » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:51 am
Milozoldyck wrote:I would know better about what happened than any outsiders, including yourself. But like I said on Discord, the truth doesn't matter, because I just told you it, and you're not convinced. You and the entire "NPO Delenda Est" crowd are trying to get Lord of Darkness and The Pacific to give you something that doesn't exist -- that is, a truth or a response that will satisfy you.
by The Gilded Star » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:54 am
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:09 am
Armaros wrote:Milozoldyck wrote:I would know better about what happened than any outsiders, including yourself. But like I said on Discord, the truth doesn't matter, because I just told you it, and you're not convinced. You and the entire "NPO Delenda Est" crowd are trying to get Lord of Darkness and The Pacific to give you something that doesn't exist -- that is, a truth or a response that will satisfy you.
Disagreed. What I do want is my region to be safe. And that is what you keep trying to deny. You keep on saying that this means change, that it were just a bunch of rogues - but they're empty words.
Milo Zoldyck Today at 4:20 AM
At least, as I understand it. Which brings me back to my original point: That talk means nothing.
Armaros wrote:This happened before and the NPO promised change. What happened? Oh yeah, they did it again but on a larger scale. You say it were a bunch of rogues ruining it - but all your higher ups tolerated it. We aren't talking about isolated incidents; we're talking about a pattern, and a culture that exists around that pattern.
Armaros wrote:I'm not out against the Pacific. I'm out against the NPO, since I see no option other then take the fight to them. You and your comrades brought war on us. Now we're bringing it back to you.
Armaros wrote:You have lied, subverted and broken your promises every time you made them. Is it truly that unreasonable for us to no longer believe your words, which have time and time again been proven to be hollow?
Armaros wrote:Let me turn this around: I attack your region, attempt to destroy it and make it my own region's colony. Then I fail and promise not to do it again. Then I do it again. and again. and again. What would you do? allow me into your region after my last promise? or would you fight me, to protect your home?
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:11 am
The Gilded Star wrote:Even if the problem originated with you, Milo, it seems to have grown beyond your influence and control and has dug its roots deeply within the NPO itself. All the details coming out about the NPO recently are starting to paint a scene to me that the NPO is not nearly as unified and ironclad as its exterior attempts to portray, and that there seems to be a silent struggle between internal factions: one that appeals to peace and decorum, and one that appeals to demogoguery and jingoism. While I have high hopes for LoD's reform, I feel he's going to have an uphill battle ahead of him, and his greatest opponents are going to be none other than his own subjects. So long as there remains individuals in the NPO who presume they know what's better for the NPO than their own Emperor, and nurture cults of personality that swear greater allegiance to dissenters than to their Emperor, the NPO is going to continue to suffer and strain; not just within its own rank and file, but also amongst the rest of the NS community, who will remain ever guarded and cautious so long as rogue elements within the NPO do not appear to be sufficiently squashed.
by The Gilded Star » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:40 am
Milozoldyck wrote:Please edit "NPO Delenda Est" into your post if you want me to respond seriously. Once you do so and I'm assured of your concern for GCR sovereignty, I'll edit this post and respond to your sentiments with my full attention.
War is very serious business, and I can't waste my written ammunition on soldiers who don't even have enough heart to put "NPO Delenda Est" in all of their posts.
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:52 am
The Gilded Star wrote:Milozoldyck wrote:Please edit "NPO Delenda Est" into your post if you want me to respond seriously. Once you do so and I'm assured of your concern for GCR sovereignty, I'll edit this post and respond to your sentiments with my full attention.
War is very serious business, and I can't waste my written ammunition on soldiers who don't even have enough heart to put "NPO Delenda Est" in all of their posts.
Can we split it down the middle and settle on "Milo Delenda Est"? You seem more partial and flattered to that one, and I aim to please.
As quoting the battlecry earned Armaros one free response, I humbly request like and equal treatment for this post. Thank you.
by Armaros » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:03 am
Milozoldyck wrote:I'm asking you to clarify what you want The Pacific to do about it. No one has an answer except war. And that would be fine, if only they knew what they wanted from the war. But they don't.
The point of this thread is to say that the war is a pointless and waste-of-breath farce. You're not saying anything to the contrary.
Armaros wrote:Let me turn this around: I attack your region, attempt to destroy it and make it my own region's colony. Then I fail and promise not to do it again. Then I do it again. and again. and again. What would you do? allow me into your region after my last promise? or would you fight me, to protect your home?
Fighting the Pacific is really cool. But what does fighting the Pacific actually mean? What are you going to be doing? What are you hoping to see happen? How much time did you take to actually read this thread?
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:26 am
Armaros wrote:You think the war is a waste of time, fine. I'm not argueing against that since I know you'll keep saying that for eternity.
Armaros wrote:That... still doesn't answer the question. But I'll respond: what it means? A chance to show we won't allow this to happen again. What we're going to be doing? Fairly certain the NPO has figured out what we're doing by now.
Armaros wrote:What are you hoping to see happen? That my home is no longer threatened by the NPO. How muh time I took to read this thread? Didn't specifically time it, but in between the 20 and 30 minutes.
Armaros wrote:On your request: "NPO delenda est"
Armaros wrote:(I apologise for the typos and other mistakes I made. It's not that easy to post from mobile)
by Kanaia » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:09 pm
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:19 pm
by Malphe » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:50 pm
by Armaros » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:52 pm
Armaros wrote:You think the war is a waste of time, fine. I'm not argueing against that since I know you'll keep saying that for eternity.
This represents exactly what I'm mocking, lol. You're telling me two things in your post:
1) That you're arguing that you want the NPO gone
2) That you're not arguing that war is a waste of time
Everyone and their dead grandmother who played this game in 2003 knows that the NPO isn't going anywhere, so trying to make it happen is a waste of time. So, if that's your goal, what's the point of this war?
The one intriguing thing you're doing is not disagreeing that war is a waste of time.
Armaros wrote:That... still doesn't answer the question. But I'll respond: what it means? A chance to show we won't allow this to happen again. What we're going to be doing? Fairly certain the NPO has figured out what we're doing by now.
RE: The underlined. I respect that. It must not happen again, and you are right to want to prevent it from happening again.
RE: The bold. Gonna be real with you, dude, I don't know if "the NPO has figured out what [you're] doing by now."
Why does it seem as though no one is capable of spelling out what this war is actually gonna look like? Is it classified or something?
Armaros wrote:What are you hoping to see happen? That my home is no longer threatened by the NPO. How muh time I took to read this thread? Didn't specifically time it, but in between the 20 and 30 minutes.
Okay. With the underlined, we've established an abstract goal. Let's get specific. Besides the NPO not existing, what would assure you that your home is no longer threatened by the NPO? A New Emperor? A New Senate? Is there anything that would appease you?
I suspect not.
RE: 20-30 minutes
If that's true, thank you for taking the time to read this thread and give me your thoughts. I am legitimately appreciative.
I know that I'm a dick, so it might seem like I'm being ironic: I'm not being ironic. Thank you.
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:08 pm
Malphe wrote:Kanaia wrote:Are you actually unaware of what "NPO Delenda Est" means, or willfully ignorant so you could use the GIF and play "Gotcha!"?
I mean, everybody is technically saying "LET'S DESTROY THE NPO YO" but whether or not they actually believe that and aren't just repeating it because it's a slogan isn't guaranteed.
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:49 pm
Armaros wrote:
This represents exactly what I'm mocking, lol. You're telling me two things in your post:
1) That you're arguing that you want the NPO gone
2) That you're not arguing that war is a waste of time
Everyone and their dead grandmother who played this game in 2003 knows that the NPO isn't going anywhere, so trying to make it happen is a waste of time.
The one intriguing thing you're doing is not disagreeing that war is a waste of time.
Might just be me again... but if I would agree, as you seem to imply, why would I be fighting in it?
Armaros wrote:I suspect you're right. The NPO has destroyed it's base of trust entirely. We've already had new emperors, new senate, but eventually the people who subvert are allowed to come back. I don't think the NPO is trustworthy ever again, or should be cknsidered so. Too much has happened for that.
by Infiltrator 184 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:53 pm
Milozoldyck wrote:Does the massive wave of justice that is "NPO Delenda Est" need more time to come to fruition? Or are they just full of crap, like I suspect*?
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:56 pm
Infiltrator 184 wrote:Milozoldyck wrote:Does the massive wave of justice that is "NPO Delenda Est" need more time to come to fruition? Or are they just full of crap, like I suspect*?
I'm not supposed to tell you this, but there is a serious effort led by Ever-Wandering Souls. The group has already found 600 people(read:endorsements) and they are waiting for the best moment to strike and instate Souls as Delegate of The Pacific. And there is nothing you can do about this.
by Milozoldyck » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:13 pm
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:25 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by The Tri State Area and Maine » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:37 pm
Milozoldyck wrote:Everyone at the top of NPO Delenda Est knows the NPO won't be destroyed. They're playing a game, and it's a game I consider very lame. If you're truly as passionate about NPO Delenda Est being right as I am about NPO Delenda Est being moronic, then I challenge you to locate a leading figure in NPO Delenda Est and ask them how you can help overthrow the New Pacific Order today. Hit up Cormac or Souls. Or even Europeia. Hear what they have to say and then follow their orders for the next month. Then come back and tell me whether you feel like a pawn.
Maybe you will feel like a pawn. Maybe you won't. I can't say for sure how you'll feel. But I'm pretty sure I know what you'll be.
by The Gilded Star » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:41 pm
Milozoldyck wrote:You might read it that way, but I think you're incorrect, honestly. Were I a Pacifican, I'd be pretty happy to hear people saying "Let's destroy the NPO." Because a true war would give them something to do. Personally, it'd give me propaganda pieces to write.
Instead, though, we have this "NPO Delenda Est" charade, which isn't a war. It's a joke, and there's no punch or line to it. No force, no organization. It's just a tantrum, akin to #NeverTrump but on NS. A true NPO Delenda Est movement would've organized itself and thrown the kitchen sink at The Pacific, which, once upon a time, is what The Pacific actually faced and prevailed over.
Milozoldyck wrote:St Abbaddon continues to identify itself as an NPO protectorate, and I still see a NPO banner atop the Pacific. Pacific victory is everywhere. When can we expect to see those things change?
Milozoldyck wrote:Maybe you will feel like a pawn. Maybe you won't. I can't say for sure how you'll feel. But I'm pretty sure I know what you'll be.
by Unibot III » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:01 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by United Provinces of Atlantica » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:17 pm
Unibot III wrote:The NS cell of the organization is a paranoia-fueled kakistocracy that cannibalizes itself. It's the Peter Principle in action.
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