UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Trumptonium1]

The DUP has said that it will not support the government in a confidence vote unless MPs reject the Brexit Deal

The doors are wide open for an election.

[Ostroeuropa]

don't learn the highway code, it's the job of lawyers to know more about it?

it's not remotely difficult to know basic symptoms and treatments. but i suppose culture comes into play here, me being originally from the land where men snap their fingers back to position when they're broken.

i hope you don't waste the hospital's time by going there every time you have a cut... a normal household should have the basics like plasters, isopropyls, tegaderms and hydrogen peroxide, that along with knowledge of what entails a common cold/headache and if you're an average person with no bad luck, you're set for life.

lol i spent most of my life with a rare undiagnosed disorder which almost killed me several times before i found out about it (when my common cold never went away and turned out to be pneumonia) and i am firmly convinced that my hand has permanent damage because i banged it super hard and never went to the doctor. we legit have a problem in this country of men dying because they don't seek care until it's too late out of some belief they need to be hard or that they're wasting the doctor's time. if you're assuming you're an average person and that everything will be fine then you're basically just gambling.

"Wasting the doctors time" is a big one and much more relevant to most men than "acting hard". While there's elements of acting hard in that attitude, it's also reinforced by persistent devaluing of men and their problems and portraying them as trivial and a desire not to be a bother to others. Almost all of the time when men raise any issue it results in them being punished in some way for it because our humanity is something our society is hostile to acknowledging in many senses.

The DUP has said that it will not support the government in a confidence vote unless MPs reject the Brexit Deal

The doors are wide open for an election.

Good. Corbyn time everybody, next stop socialism.

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So, what's everyones opinion on Phillip Davies concluding that circumcision without medical necessity is already illegal in the UK and his motion (which must be answered) for a department response to it?

It's far more radical than i'd propose personally, since it would effectively remove the defence from retroactive application of laws from all those who have already circumcised their children if it turns out he is correct. I expect it would immediately result in parliament tripping over itself to rush through a law legalizing it and issueing a pardon, though that would hopefully provoke a debate and filibustering until only the pardon passes.

[Dooom35796821595]

The DUP has said that it will not support the government in a confidence vote unless MPs reject the Brexit Deal

The doors are wide open for an election.

An election that can’t happen before mid February, leaving maybe a month for the government to realise they are completely and utterly screwed. Enough time to pass a bill cancling Brexit, which may be for the best for now.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The DUP has said that it will not support the government in a confidence vote unless MPs reject the Brexit Deal

The doors are wide open for an election.

An election that can’t happen before mid February, leaving maybe a month for the government to realise they are completely and utterly screwed. Enough time to pass a bill cancling Brexit, which may be for the best for now.

Lets be honest, the conservatives could get royally fucked either way.

[Ostroeuropa]

The DUP has said that it will not support the government in a confidence vote unless MPs reject the Brexit Deal

The doors are wide open for an election.

An election that can’t happen before mid February, leaving maybe a month for the government to realise they are completely and utterly screwed. Enough time to pass a bill cancling Brexit, which may be for the best for now.

Would it require a bill?

[Philjia]

The DUP has said that it will not support the government in a confidence vote unless MPs reject the Brexit Deal

The doors are wide open for an election.

May's painted herself into a corner good and proper, since both possible outcomes from the parliamentary vote on the Brexit deal are likely to precipitate the collapse of the government.

[Dooom35796821595]

An election that can’t happen before mid February, leaving maybe a month for the government to realise they are completely and utterly screwed. Enough time to pass a bill cancling Brexit, which may be for the best for now.

Lets be honest, the conservatives could get royally fucked either way.

I hope they do, they’re the ones who got us into this mess!

An election that can’t happen before mid February, leaving maybe a month for the government to realise they are completely and utterly screwed. Enough time to pass a bill cancling Brexit, which may be for the best for now.

Would it require a bill?

Yes, they’d have to pass a bill cancelling the one that made March 29th Brexit day.

[Ostroeuropa]

I love this meme format by the way.

For all you brexiters shocked at the omnishambles of Mays brexit proposal;

[Dooom35796821595]

I love this meme format by the way.

For all you brexiters shocked at the omnishambles of Mays brexit proposal;

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One of the proposals was to have the negotiations open to the public, that way you’re less likley to get screwed over in the back rooms of Brussles. Ah well.

[Ostroeuropa]

I love this meme format by the way.

For all you brexiters shocked at the omnishambles of Mays brexit proposal;

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One of the proposals was to have the negotiations open to the public, that way you’re less likley to get screwed over in the back rooms of Brussles. Ah well.

Sounds like an easy way for the murdoch media to provoke WW3.

[Trumptonium1]

An election that can’t happen before mid February, leaving maybe a month for the government to realise they are completely and utterly screwed. Enough time to pass a bill cancling Brexit, which may be for the best for now.

Would it require a bill?

The earliest the DUP would support a no confidence vote is December 12th.

The earliest date of an election would be six weeks later, so the week commencing 28th January. However the Government has 14 days since losing a confidence vote to recoup losses and restore confidence via a confidence vote, where they can appease the DUP somehow. If they don't, the PM meets with the Queen to proclaim a new election date, which can be longer than the six weeks, and probably would be just so May can get the public on her side. Although to my understanding it 'resets' on the confidence vote, so assuming the confidence vote is 2 weeks later at the very end, technically an election won't be until 8 weeks after the first no confidence vote.

Parliament would dissolve 17 working days before the election, so on the presumption of Thursday 31st January being the election, we would no longer have a Parliament by Tuesday 8th, meaning nobody can 'cancel' Brexit pretty much from New Year until February. Or mid-February if I'm right about the 14 day thing.

Then once the election happens at the end of January/mid-February, we'd be waiting for the State Opening of Parliament or the Royal Commission swearing-in new MPs who don't have power to vote until this event, which normally occurs 5 working days after an election. In other words, we are in mid to end of February territory before Brexit can be canceled, assuming such MPs are elected, or until someone else can try to negotiate the fastest deal in history within a month.

However, since the DUP wants a no deal Brexit, it's likely they'll either just wait until the end of March or support a no confidence vote so late that it becomes an inevitability.

[Dooom35796821595]

If the DUP force a hard Brexit, our next logical move is to either create a hard border in Ireland, or sell the north to the Republic. I’d favour the latter.

[The Huskar Social Union]

If the DUP force a hard Brexit, our next logical move is to either create a hard border in Ireland, or sell the north to the Republic. I’d favour the latter.

Border poll.

[The New California Republic]

If the DUP force a hard Brexit, our next logical move is to either create a hard border in Ireland, or sell the north to the Republic. I’d favour the latter.

As I said several months ago:

Ulster should be facetious as fuck by making a like-for-like copy of the Berlin Wall and the Inner German Border.

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[The Huskar Social Union]

If the DUP force a hard Brexit, our next logical move is to either create a hard border in Ireland, or sell the north to the Republic. I’d favour the latter.

As I said several months ago:

Ulster should be facetious as fuck by making a like-for-like copy of the Berlin Wall and the Inner German Border.

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DUP wet dream

[Vassenor]

If the DUP force a hard Brexit, our next logical move is to either create a hard border in Ireland, or sell the north to the Republic. I’d favour the latter.

As I said several months ago:

Ulster should be facetious as fuck by making a like-for-like copy of the Berlin Wall and the Inner German Border.

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But can it withstand fertiliser bombs?

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

As I said several months ago:

DUP wet dream

The DUP would never have a wet dream. That would be sinful.

[Dooom35796821595]

As I said several months ago:

But can it withstand fertiliser bombs?

Irrelevant, since the IRA isn’t going to start bombing again.

[The Huskar Social Union]

DUP wet dream

The DUP would never have a wet dream. That would be sinful.

So is shagging someone behind your partners back, hasnt stopped some of them doing that though

*cough* David Simpson *cough*

*cough* Iris Robinson *cough*

[Vassenor]

The DUP would never have a wet dream. That would be sinful.

So is shagging someone behind your partners back, hasnt stopped some of them doing that though

*cough* David Simpson *cough*

*cough* Iris Robinson *cough*

Christian Values only applies to other people.

[Novus America]

The DUP has said that it will not support the government in a confidence vote unless MPs reject the Brexit Deal

The doors are wide open for an election.

An election that can’t happen before mid February, leaving maybe a month for the government to realise they are completely and utterly screwed. Enough time to pass a bill cancling Brexit, which may be for the best for now.

Though it is very likely the new elections would fail to produce a decisive enough result and a majority of MPs agreeing on anything.
So they would have a month to realize they are screwed, only to spend another two years throwing shit like rabid monkeys without any idea on what they actually intend to do.

DUP will still troll, Brexiteers and Remainers still refuse compromise meanwhile those in favor of the deal remain too divided to do anything.
So almost certainly the new election fixes nothing.

[Ostroeuropa]

An election that can’t happen before mid February, leaving maybe a month for the government to realise they are completely and utterly screwed. Enough time to pass a bill cancling Brexit, which may be for the best for now.

Though it is very likely the new elections would fail to produce a decisive enough result and a majority of MPs agreeing on anything.
So they would have a month to realize they are screwed, only to spend another two years throwing shit like rabid monkeys without any idea on what they actually intend to do.

DUP will still troll, Brexiteers and Remainers still refuse compromise meanwhile those in favor of the deal remain too divided to do anything.
So almost certainly the new election fixes nothing.

If this is Democracy, i'm fine with dictatorship.
Time to dust off any army uniforms lying around and take to the streets to rant about how the weimarists have failed yet again I guess. They're too inept to do anything about anything and they've rigged the electoral system into this perpetual stalemate.

The police cuts already reached a point where they are struggling to the point the army had to be called in once. Organized political gangsterism at this stage would probably be enough to push things over the edge and provided those gangs actually crack down on "Crime" too then we're already well on the way. We saw that mass rioting is very close to the surface in the UK, it is a matter of providing a reason, an excuse, a group causing havoc for others to copy and take advantage of, and there will be thousands looting and burning things down.

If someone not a nutbar far-right racist doesn't do it, someone who is one inevitably will. That's how this shit tends to work I think.

The crisis of the UK at the moment is going to continue because our political classes are utterly bankrupt of ethics and our institutions are no longer capable of correcting themselves, the elites have deliberately sabotaged the systems ability to correct itself away from corruption and ignoring the will of the public to the point it is now broken beyond repair and locked into a stalemate. I think violence is probably inevitable at this stage. It is a matter of when, and against whom.

I suspect most of the public will remain passive and just let things happen like they have up until now. The future will belong to those who seize it. The alternative is the present, but more so, forever.

Or maybe Corbyn manages to win.

[Salandriagado]

Would it require a bill?

The earliest the DUP would support a no confidence vote is December 12th.

The earliest date of an election would be six weeks later, so the week commencing 28th January. However the Government has 14 days since losing a confidence vote to recoup losses and restore confidence via a confidence vote, where they can appease the DUP somehow. If they don't, the PM meets with the Queen to proclaim a new election date, which can be longer than the six weeks, and probably would be just so May can get the public on her side. Although to my understanding it 'resets' on the confidence vote, so assuming the confidence vote is 2 weeks later at the very end, technically an election won't be until 8 weeks after the first no confidence vote.

Parliament would dissolve 17 working days before the election, so on the presumption of Thursday 31st January being the election, we would no longer have a Parliament by Tuesday 8th, meaning nobody can 'cancel' Brexit pretty much from New Year until February. Or mid-February if I'm right about the 14 day thing.

Then once the election happens at the end of January/mid-February, we'd be waiting for the State Opening of Parliament or the Royal Commission swearing-in new MPs who don't have power to vote until this event, which normally occurs 5 working days after an election. In other words, we are in mid to end of February territory before Brexit can be canceled, assuming such MPs are elected, or until someone else can try to negotiate the fastest deal in history within a month.

However, since the DUP wants a no deal Brexit, it's likely they'll either just wait until the end of March or support a no confidence vote so late that it becomes an inevitability.

You're unlikely to get all of the 14 days: 14 days after is Boxing Day.

[Vassenor]

Police arrest three men on suspicion of terror offences

So yeah, looks like another terror plot got rumbled. And from the looks of things it was a pretty wide-reaching cell - arrests made as far apart as Leeds, Bath and Portsmouth.

[Hydesland]

How is politics even possible anymore https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/10 ... 6274950144