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by Frievolk » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:36 am
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♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Valrifell » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:37 am
Oil exporting People wrote:Valrifell wrote:
"You shouldn't think all migrants from the Middle East are literally mentally deficient" =/= "migrants from the Middle East are genius super soldiers"
Please attempt to read the quote chain before jumping in:Liriena wrote:Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:39 am
Frievolk wrote:Something that is even more interesting to me than Hungary being retarded again is the number of people saying "But Americans work N hours a week and they're f i n e." because like... Maybe... just Maybe it's the American model that's flawed and Western Europe (as usual, these days) has the right idea? (Of course, fucking up everything sane people have achieved this last 150 years seems to be one of the main habits of Mr. Orban, so not very surprised in Hungary fucking up once again, but that's irrelevant)
by Frievolk » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:42 am
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Frievolk wrote:Something that is even more interesting to me than Hungary being retarded again is the number of people saying "But Americans work N hours a week and they're f i n e." because like... Maybe... just Maybe it's the American model that's flawed and Western Europe (as usual, these days) has the right idea? (Of course, fucking up everything sane people have achieved this last 150 years seems to be one of the main habits of Mr. Orban, so not very surprised in Hungary fucking up once again, but that's irrelevant)
Nah, Europe is pretty lazy, I enjoy the work culture I work in. Europe is to lax with work, and places like Greece suffer from a lack of work hours. Hell, japan works more hours in the US, and I consider the amount of hours they do overkill. So this isn’t a factor of America overworking themselves
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:54 am
Frievolk wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:Nah, Europe is pretty lazy, I enjoy the work culture I work in. Europe is to lax with work, and places like Greece suffer from a lack of work hours. Hell, japan works more hours in the US, and I consider the amount of hours they do overkill. So this isn’t a factor of America overworking themselves
No such thing as "lazy". Shorter work hours for higher pay is always a good thing imo, unless it becomes a necessity for it not to be otherwise (in which case that necessity should be removed, rather than straining workers to work longer hours), and honestly I always cringe at people who think it's not, both left-wing or right. (Not going into how the American model is that dumb, because its intentionally reliant on workers working longer hours for lower pay)
by Frievolk » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:55 am
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Frievolk wrote:No such thing as "lazy". Shorter work hours for higher pay is always a good thing imo, unless it becomes a necessity for it not to be otherwise (in which case that necessity should be removed, rather than straining workers to work longer hours), and honestly I always cringe at people who think it's not, both left-wing or right. (Not going into how the American model is that dumb, because its intentionally reliant on workers working longer hours for lower pay)
Shorter work hours for higher pay
You really believe your entitled to that? Well, I guess its your opinion, but I prefer more work hours for higher pay. Honestly though, the American average hours, 40 hours a week is hardly that straining, this being the opinion of first hand experience.
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Petrolheadia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:58 am
Frievolk wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:Shorter work hours for higher pay
You really believe your entitled to that? Well, I guess its your opinion, but I prefer more work hours for higher pay. Honestly though, the American average hours, 40 hours a week is hardly that straining, this being the opinion of first hand experience.
Actually, I believe every human is inherently entitled to a middle-class life without working at all by the virtue of being human in the first place, but that's irrelevant.
by Frievolk » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:59 am
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Petrolheadia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:00 am
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Sounds like a smart deal, 400 hours would typically be 10 days worth of work in the US. 40 hours being the average for working us employees. So this would be 10 days annually in US terms. Nothing to radical, save for those opposing this bill.
by Petrolheadia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:00 am
by Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:01 am
by Frievolk » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:02 am
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:02 am
by Petrolheadia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:04 am
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Frievolk wrote:I said they're "entitled to it", not that they "will get it".
I’m entitled to my rights, but I am not entitled to getting a middle-class life. That’s because until we reach a future where we can have all middle-class lives, I’ll have to compete with other workers, and that means Ill have to out perform them. I have to earn my middle-class life. Save the idealism for a more ideal future.
Frievolk wrote: rather than the honestly retarded idea of "he who does not work neither shall he eat"
by Trumptonium1 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:05 am
-Ocelot- wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:
Labour laws are not being deregulated, they are being made more flexible for the benefit of workers.
If they want to, they can work an extra three hours a week. Previously, they could not.
It's perfectly voluntary, guys! Either comply with us and work "voluntarily" until you drop, or starve. The decision is yours!
You can't be this naive.
Employers won’t be allowed to penalize workers who reject extra hours
by Petrolheadia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:06 am
-Ocelot- wrote:They deserve it. Don't want scary brown immigrants to come into your country? Work until you drop dead.
by Ifreann » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:09 am
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Sounds like a smart deal, 400 hours would typically be 10 days worth of work in the US. 40 hours being the average for working us employees. So this would be 10 days annually in US terms. Nothing to radical, save for those opposing this bill.
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:09 am
Meaning they have to work hard to reach a middle-class life. Since its impossible to have everyone having a middle-class job/life, it would be a legal nightmare to have everyone be entitled to a job.
And that means we'll have to work with making sure they can get that well-off life despite that scarcity,
rather than the honestly retarded idea of "he who does not work neither shall he eat"
by Frievolk » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:12 am
Petrolheadia wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:I’m entitled to my rights, but I am not entitled to getting a middle-class life. That’s because until we reach a future where we can have all middle-class lives, I’ll have to compete with other workers, and that means Ill have to out perform them. I have to earn my middle-class life. Save the idealism for a more ideal future.
And "middle-class" is relative anyway. What would be "middle-class" in, say, Ukraine would be poverty in the US.Frievolk wrote: rather than the honestly retarded idea of "he who does not work neither shall he eat"
Why would it be retarded?
I certainly don't wanna work for some other guys sitting on their asses.
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Trumptonium1 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:15 am
Frievolk wrote:Something that is even more interesting to me than Hungary being retarded again is the number of people saying "But Americans work N hours a week and they're f i n e." because like... Maybe... just Maybe it's the American model that's flawed and Western Europe (as usual, these days) has the right idea? (Of course, fucking up everything sane people have achieved this last 150 years seems to be one of the main habits of Mr. Orban, so not very surprised in Hungary fucking up once again, but that's irrelevant)
by Petrolheadia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:17 am
Frievolk wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:And "middle-class" is relative anyway. What would be "middle-class" in, say, Ukraine would be poverty in the US.
Why would it be retarded?
I certainly don't wanna work for some other guys sitting on their asses.
1- Because it's against the inherent basics all humans are entitled to by the virtue of being human.
Frievolk wrote:And you shouldn't have to work "for" some other guy sitting on his ass.
Frievolk wrote:You, as well as him, should have the right to decide whether or not you want to work in an actual "free" sense, not a "you're free to work or die" sense (as you and people like you would probably think). Anyone should have the bare necessities.
Frievolk wrote:I don't exactly care whether or not you think that's good or not.
Frievolk wrote:It's good as far as I'm concerned,
by Petrolheadia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:18 am
Trumptonium1 wrote:Frievolk wrote:Something that is even more interesting to me than Hungary being retarded again is the number of people saying "But Americans work N hours a week and they're f i n e." because like... Maybe... just Maybe it's the American model that's flawed and Western Europe (as usual, these days) has the right idea? (Of course, fucking up everything sane people have achieved this last 150 years seems to be one of the main habits of Mr. Orban, so not very surprised in Hungary fucking up once again, but that's irrelevant)
Hungary has the third largest wage growth on the planet, at just under 11% a year for the second year running.
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:19 am
Petrolheadia wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:
Hungary has the third largest wage growth on the planet, at just under 11% a year for the second year running.
That's why I don't want immigrants and get annoyed at my government having taken in hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians.
It's not xenophobia, it's actual calculation.
by Trumptonium1 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:23 am
Jakker wrote:Oil exporting People wrote:
Because a cave dweller from Afghanistan or some rock bashing dolt from a hellhole in Africa are "qualified".
Oil exporting People, the opinion was made that qualified workers from other countries should be allowed in and you decided to use this as an opportunity to bash Afghanistan and Africa. No one was making the point that anyone is qualified and should be welcomed given the labor shortage, so your comment is solely there to troll. Your warning history is getting longer and longer and we are right at the point of considering a possible DEAT on the next offense. Keep that in mind during your absence. *** One-month ban for Trolling ***
by Petrolheadia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:24 am
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