They were rightly guided. Why you think that means they were infallible idk.
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by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:37 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Sahansahiye Iran » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:38 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:39 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Sahansahiye Iran » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:42 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:51 pm
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Who said that they were guided to sin?
Them burning someone alive is sin, correct? They are "rightly-guided", correct? Therefore, he was "rightly-guided" to burn him alive, right? Or is the "rightly-guided" bit just something that only counts when it happens with things you agree with?
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Sahansahiye Iran » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:53 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Them burning someone alive is sin, correct? They are "rightly-guided", correct? Therefore, he was "rightly-guided" to burn him alive, right? Or is the "rightly-guided" bit just something that only counts when it happens with things you agree with?
Do you know what the term "rightly guided" means? Because it's not the same as the definition for "infallible".
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:34 pm
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Do you know what the term "rightly guided" means? Because it's not the same as the definition for "infallible".
Yes, I know what it means. I was Muslim for almost 2 decades, mate. You just apparently can't seem to follow the basic train of logic even when I split it up into easy to comprehend questions. Here. I'll make it really simple for you: What makes them more rightly-guided than others if they ruled in an un-Islamic way? Just that they ruled in an un-Islamic way a bit less?
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Sahansahiye Iran » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:41 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Yes, I know what it means. I was Muslim for almost 2 decades, mate. You just apparently can't seem to follow the basic train of logic even when I split it up into easy to comprehend questions. Here. I'll make it really simple for you: What makes them more rightly-guided than others if they ruled in an un-Islamic way? Just that they ruled in an un-Islamic way a bit less?
Making mistakes =/= ruling un-Islamically
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:58 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:26 pm
Kubumba Tribe wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It very much is, your view on what’s Islamic is not very likely to be shared with every other Muslim out there, especially considering the Islamic nations currently out there don’t even share your views on what’s Islamic. But that’s where your “No True Scotsman” fallacy on what’s Islamic comes out where you say they’re not Islamic because they don’t fit within your own particular opinion on what an Islamic country is, the very definition of the fallacy.
I don't have a definition of what is and isn't Islamic, the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah do that for me.
by Frievolk » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:43 pm
Kubumba Tribe wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It very much is, your view on what’s Islamic is not very likely to be shared with every other Muslim out there, especially considering the Islamic nations currently out there don’t even share your views on what’s Islamic. But that’s where your “No True Scotsman” fallacy on what’s Islamic comes out where you say they’re not Islamic because they don’t fit within your own particular opinion on what an Islamic country is, the very definition of the fallacy.
I don't have a definition of what is and isn't Islamic, the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah do that for me.
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by Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:09 am
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Lol that's absolutely false. Would you say he ruled Islamically when he burned a man alive? If not, then he ruled un-Islamically. At least in that instance. It's really not that hard.
Yeah, he made a mistake. That's not ruling un-Islamically, and citing 1 un-Islamic thing isn't reflective of his (RA) whole rule.
by Estanglia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:57 am
Kubumba Tribe wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
^Pretty much what Fievolk said, and I have to echo him in saying that it’s quite literally what you said. They aren’t Islamic because you said so, because they don’t fit precisely with how you think an Islamic nation should be.
It's not based on what I think
Kubumba Tribe wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It very much is, your view on what’s Islamic is not very likely to be shared with every other Muslim out there, especially considering the Islamic nations currently out there don’t even share your views on what’s Islamic. But that’s where your “No True Scotsman” fallacy on what’s Islamic comes out where you say they’re not Islamic because they don’t fit within your own particular opinion on what an Islamic country is, the very definition of the fallacy.
I don't have a definition of what is and isn't Islamic, the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah do that for me.
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by Kubumba Tribe » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:21 am
Estanglia wrote:Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's not based on what I think
It literally is. You think they have to follow the Quran 100% to be Islamic.
We (and they, judging by Iran calling itself an Islamic Republic) don't.Kubumba Tribe wrote:I don't have a definition of what is and isn't Islamic, the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah do that for me.
Then you shouldn't be complaining when Iran et al. calls itself Islamic as it believes that, by the definition provided by the Quran, it is Islamic.
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by Frievolk » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:22 am
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Estanglia wrote:It literally is. You think they have to follow the Quran 100% to be Islamic.
We (and they, judging by Iran calling itself an Islamic Republic) don't.
Then you shouldn't be complaining when Iran et al. calls itself Islamic as it believes that, by the definition provided by the Quran, it is Islamic.
They don't follow the Holy Qur'an (100%), what are you talking about?
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by Estanglia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:30 am
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Estanglia wrote:It literally is. You think they have to follow the Quran 100% to be Islamic.
We (and they, judging by Iran calling itself an Islamic Republic) don't.
Then you shouldn't be complaining when Iran et al. calls itself Islamic as it believes that, by the definition provided by the Quran, it is Islamic.
They don't follow the Holy Qur'an (100%), what are you talking about?
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by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:21 am
Estanglia wrote:You believe that the Quran must be followed 100% for a country to be Islamic.
Estanglia wrote:They don't
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Neutraligon » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:45 am
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Estanglia wrote:I'm talking about how you believe these countries aren't Islamic because of your interpretation of the Quran, and how they believe they are from their interpretation of the Quran.
No one's interpretation mattters except Allah's SWT and Prophet Muhammad's SAWS. Any thing else has to be in line with that or it's disobedience.Estanglia wrote:You believe that the Quran must be followed 100% for a country to be Islamic.
Actually I believe a country should try to follow the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah 100% to be Islamic.Estanglia wrote:They don't
Doesn't matter what they think.
by Kubumba Tribe » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:01 pm
Neutraligon wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:No one's interpretation mattters except Allah's SWT and Prophet Muhammad's SAWS. Any thing else has to be in line with that or it's disobedience.
Actually I believe a country should try to follow the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah 100% to be Islamic.
Doesn't matter what they think.
And people know your gods thoughts on the proper way to read the quran... how? For all you know your god thinks you are not actually following the Quran.
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Genivaria » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:07 pm
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Neutraligon wrote:And people know your gods thoughts on the proper way to read the quran... how? For all you know your god thinks you are not actually following the Quran.
There is no "your god" in Al-Islam. Also, no one knows Allah's SWT interpretation except Allah SWT. That's why we have the Prophet Muhammad SAWS and the 'ulama.
by Frievolk » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:57 pm
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