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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:15 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Such reports have been popping up from all over the place, I read of several in Florida and a number in Texas not long ago. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to find more in other states.

"but it never happens!"


When did people say absentee vote fraud never happens?
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:16 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Such reports have been popping up from all over the place, I read of several in Florida and a number in Texas not long ago. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to find more in other states.

"but it never happens!"


But it wasn't investigated in Florida. I think there was fraud in both the Senate and Governor race but no investigated it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:17 am

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Such reports have been popping up from all over the place, I read of several in Florida and a number in Texas not long ago. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to find more in other states.

"but it never happens!"


When did people say absentee vote fraud never happens?


Shit if you combine every other site I use on the Internet such sentiments pop up every 2 fucking minutes lol

Reddit especially is filled to the brim with people who refuse to believe any sort of voter fraud happens.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:18 am

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Valgora wrote:After some research...
I'd prefer neither. But if I had to choose who I'd rather have... it would be Ocasio-Cortez.
Luckily, neither would win the presidential nominee at this moment.

Mostly because neither are legally allowed to run.

Actually Shapiro is or will be by 2020
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:20 am

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Mostly because neither are legally allowed to run.

Actually Shapiro is or will be by 2020

Please God no.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:20 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
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The Establishment loathes her. And her fate was sealed when she had the sit in of Pelosi's office, embarrassing the party leaders. They didn't take her seriously during the campaign, thus didn't get out to fight her, and lost to her during the Primary. But they won't make that mistake twice. They'll tolerate her for her two years, then they'll challenge her with a primary, pour money into her opposition and she'll lose.

Well... Why? Why waste money to fight someone who is ostensibly on your side? Just to teach her a lesson? She will become a rallying cry for the young idealists to flock to the democratic party, something they sorely lack. The Democrats don't share the hatred for Cortez that the Republicans have, and claiming that the Democrats will do all to get her down is just projecting.

Because the DNC wants to kill the progressive wing of the party
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:21 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Well... Why? Why waste money to fight someone who is ostensibly on your side? Just to teach her a lesson? She will become a rallying cry for the young idealists to flock to the democratic party, something they sorely lack. The Democrats don't share the hatred for Cortez that the Republicans have, and claiming that the Democrats will do all to get her down is just projecting.

Because the DNC wants to kill the progressive wing of the party

Utter nonsense

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:21 am

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Mostly because neither are legally allowed to run.

Actually Shapiro is or will be by 2020


Ok, this is epic.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:22 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Because the DNC wants to kill the progressive wing of the party

Utter nonsense


It's also not totally incorrect. You'd have to be blind to not see the hostility and conflicting ideas between folks like Ocasio-Cortez and establishment types like Pelosi.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:22 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Actually Shapiro is or will be by 2020


Ok, this is epic.


What is it with wanting unhinged racists in the Oval Office?

Especially since Shapiro is more blatantly off his rocker than Trump is.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:23 am

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ok, this is epic.


What is it with wanting unhinged racists in the Oval Office?

Especially since Shapiro is more blatantly off his rocker than Trump is.


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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:24 am

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San Lumen wrote:Utter nonsense


It's also not totally incorrect. You'd have to be blind to not see the hostility and conflicting ideas between folks like Ocasio-Cortez and establishment types like Pelosi.


Because some of them are not team players. They think if you just run progressives or socialists like Ocasio Cortez Democrats would win everything

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because the DNC wants to kill the progressive wing of the party

Utter nonsense

They are, though. Well, maybe not the DNC as a whole but there's a huge contingent of centrist and conservative Democrats trying to stifle the CPC, especially now that they've been able to get a promise of more power with their support of Pelosi.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:24 am

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ok, this is epic.


What is it with wanting unhinged racists in the Oval Office?

Especially since Shapiro is more blatantly off his rocker than Trump is.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:27 am

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Genivaria wrote:Yes actually you can, that's the whole point of decentralized governance.


At the local level you could but at the state level you can't have one set of laws for the NYC metro area and other major cities in New York but a completely different set for the rural counties. How would you even enforce the law? Say something is illegal in the cities but legal in the rural counties. Someone could commit a crime there and then leave for a rural county to escape justice.

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Postby Juristonia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's also not totally incorrect. You'd have to be blind to not see the hostility and conflicting ideas between folks like Ocasio-Cortez and establishment types like Pelosi.


Because some of them are not team players. They think if you just run progressives or socialists like Ocasio Cortez Democrats would win everything

And by team players, you mean "They won't do everything we want them to do, waaah"
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
Valgora wrote:
The two chambers in a bicameral system have to work together to make laws.
The same can be applied to this idea.

If urban areas want a law that rural areas don't want and there ain't no compromise, the law won't pass.
Then cities can create their own laws.

Also, this:


Again you can't have different sets of laws for whole areas of states. It would be a logistical nightmare. Lets use the example of same sex marriage. A gay couple gets married and adopts children in Chicago where same sex marriage is legal but then move to Springfield, Illinois where it is not.

They are unmarried and not recognized as a family even though they are still in the same state? See how two separate legislatures or a different set of laws for rural and urban areas wouldn't work?

Actually you can. Look at weed for example.

In Atlanta and a few other cities in Georgia it’s been decriminalized. Yet it’s not in the rest of the state.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:38 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
At the local level you could but at the state level you can't have one set of laws for the NYC metro area and other major cities in New York but a completely different set for the rural counties. How would you even enforce the law? Say something is illegal in the cities but legal in the rural counties. Someone could commit a crime there and then leave for a rural county to escape justice.

Extradition is a thing dude


Ok and what if the rural county doesnt recognize the alleged crime as one and refuse to hand them over?
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Again you can't have different sets of laws for whole areas of states. It would be a logistical nightmare. Lets use the example of same sex marriage. A gay couple gets married and adopts children in Chicago where same sex marriage is legal but then move to Springfield, Illinois where it is not.

They are unmarried and not recognized as a family even though they are still in the same state? See how two separate legislatures or a different set of laws for rural and urban areas wouldn't work?

Actually you can. Look at weed for example.

In Atlanta and a few other cities in Georgia it’s been decriminalized. Yet it’s not in the rest of the state.


But can that law be enforced if weed is illegal in Georgia? Even so that's no the same as different areas of the state having completely different sets of laws. For example same sex marriage an adoption only being legal in big cites and not suburban or rural counties.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:44 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Such reports have been popping up from all over the place, I read of several in Florida and a number in Texas not long ago. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to find more in other states.

"but it never happens!"

Soo how does Voter ID stop absentee ballot fraud, hmm?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:45 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Such reports have been popping up from all over the place, I read of several in Florida and a number in Texas not long ago. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to find more in other states.

"but it never happens!"

Soo how does Voter ID stop absentee ballot fraud, hmm?


When did I claim it would, hmm?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:47 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Soo how does Voter ID stop absentee ballot fraud, hmm?


When did I claim it would, hmm?

You do realize you were taking a cheap shot against opponents of ridiculous Voter ID requirements with that "but it never happens" crack, hmm?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:50 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
When did I claim it would, hmm?

You do realize you were taking a cheap shot against opponents of ridiculous Voter ID requirements with that "but it never happens" crack, hmm?


It was more so just mocking the position that voter fraud never happens in general. If you didn't know what I meant you could have just asked instead of making an assumption my dear friend.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:51 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Such reports have been popping up from all over the place, I read of several in Florida and a number in Texas not long ago. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to find more in other states.

"but it never happens!"

And apparently the Republican NC Senate has just passed a new voter ID law which won't apply to absentee voting.


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Thermodolia wrote:Actually Shapiro is or will be by 2020


Ok, this is epic.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:56 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:You do realize you were taking a cheap shot against opponents of ridiculous Voter ID requirements with that "but it never happens" crack, hmm?


It was more so just mocking the position that voter fraud never happens in general. If you didn't know what I meant you could have just asked instead of making an assumption my dear friend.

No, the position is that in person voter fraud is rather insignificant in terms of affecting elections, if it happens at all there's not enough to swing an election, therefore the onerous requirements for voter ID in red states are shameless pretense for voter suppression. Nobody outside of your imagination declared voter fraud in general never happens. Just admit you've turned full Republican.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:57 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It was more so just mocking the position that voter fraud never happens in general. If you didn't know what I meant you could have just asked instead of making an assumption my dear friend.

No, the position is that in person voter fraud is rather insignificant in terms of affecting elections, if it happens at all there's not enough to swing an election, therefore the onerous requirements for voter ID in red states are shameless pretense for voter suppression. Nobody outside of your imagination declared voter fraud in general never happens. Just admit you've turned full Republican.


Imagine being so arrogant you think you can speak for literally every person and their positions on a topic on the entire planet lmao
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