[PASSED] Condemn The Pacific

[Jar Wattinree]

If you get off your moral indignation high horse for a second, you'll remember that the New Pacific Order opposed the Khanate thoroughly, as the Khanate was a puppet of the Lone Wolves United, indeed maybe even successor. But then Imki counter-couped and took over, and declared Lazarus a Warzone, and then came the Peacekeeper Agreement, which the NPO was involved in as a demonstration of good will towards a troubled sister GCR. More relevant news at 11.

If the NPO hadn't pressured the Resistance into taking action against Funk, or encouraged Funk to coup Lazarus in the first place, there would have been no Khanate in the first place.

The NPO also doesn't get points for condemning the Khanate, when the NPO would have done the same thing the Khanate did.

Would have done, that's the key word. You really believe the New Pacific Order is dumb enough to try and take over the same region twice in so short a timeframe? About as much chance as a neo-Nazi surviving a full week in NationStates General.

[Dragonisia]

Define, "same thing". If you're going to make an argument, don't be vague about it. It doesn't give any one the opportunity to make their own comparison to determine if they were the same at all.

[Galiantus III]

If you get off your moral indignation high horse for a second, you'll remember that the New Pacific Order opposed the Khanate thoroughly, as the Khanate was a puppet of the Lone Wolves United, indeed maybe even successor. But then Imki counter-couped and took over, and declared Lazarus a Warzone, and then came the Peacekeeper Agreement, which the NPO was involved in as a demonstration of good will towards a troubled sister GCR. More relevant news at 11.

If the NPO hadn't pressured the Resistance into taking action against Funk, or encouraged Funk to coup Lazarus in the first place, there would have been no Khanate in the first place.

The NPO also doesn't get points for condemning the Khanate, when the NPO would have done the same thing the Khanate did.

Let's also not forget that the NPO had an operative within the Khanate from the beginning, poised to take the region. The NPO was benefitting massively with the Khanate in charge.

[Jar Wattinree]

If the NPO hadn't pressured the Resistance into taking action against Funk, or encouraged Funk to coup Lazarus in the first place, there would have been no Khanate in the first place.

The NPO also doesn't get points for condemning the Khanate, when the NPO would have done the same thing the Khanate did.

Let's also not forget that the NPO had an operative within the Khanate from the beginning, poised to take the region. The NPO was benefitting massively with the Khanate in charge.

I see a huge red stamp on that post. Aha, it says "citation needed" with two thousand and three references to back it up.

[Aclion]

If you get off your moral indignation high horse for a second, you'll remember that the New Pacific Order opposed the Khanate thoroughl

Eh I recall quite a few Pacificians piled on Funk.

[Jar Wattinree]

If you get off your moral indignation high horse for a second, you'll remember that the New Pacific Order opposed the Khanate thoroughl

Eh I recall quite a few Pacificians piled on Funk.

Your memory is in error. But of course you can't believe me because it is against orthodoxy to trust the ebil NPO.

NPO dewenda est ;;w;;

[Dragonisia]

If you get off your moral indignation high horse for a second, you'll remember that the New Pacific Order opposed the Khanate thoroughl

Eh I recall quite a few Pacificians piled on Funk.

If your'e insinuating the Order was divided in its efforts.... then you have drunk someone's koolaid. I just don't know who's.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

If the NPO hadn't pressured the Resistance into taking action against Funk, or encouraged Funk to coup Lazarus in the first place, there would have been no Khanate in the first place.

The NPO also doesn't get points for condemning the Khanate, when the NPO would have done the same thing the Khanate did.

Would have done, that's the key word. You really believe the New Pacific Order is dumb enough to try and take over the same region twice in so short a timeframe? About as much chance as a neo-Nazi surviving a full week in NationStates General.

You really believe The Pacific would encourage a coup in a region twice in such a short time period, as well as allow one of it's members to attempt to endotart up the Lazarene delegacy while supporting the Peacekeeper Treaty (Feux) and manage to get a subversive into the delegacy in addition to all of that?

Oh, right, that's what they did.

[Jar Wattinree]

Would have done, that's the key word. You really believe the New Pacific Order is dumb enough to try and take over the same region twice in so short a timeframe? About as much chance as a neo-Nazi surviving a full week in NationStates General.

You really believe The Pacific would encourage a coup in a region twice in such a short time period, as well as allow one of it's members to attempt to endotart up the Lazarene delegacy while supporting the Peacekeeper Treaty (Feux) and manage to get a subversive into the delegacy in addition to all of that?

Oh, right, that's what they did.

I too can repeat posts, and make them look ridiculous because that is what your responses have become. But I cannot because that would push the bounds of civility.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

You really believe The Pacific would encourage a coup in a region twice in such a short time period, as well as allow one of it's members to attempt to endotart up the Lazarene delegacy while supporting the Peacekeeper Treaty (Feux) and manage to get a subversive into the delegacy in addition to all of that?

Oh, right, that's what they did.

I too can repeat posts, and make them look ridiculous because that is what your responses have become. But I cannot because that would push the bounds of civility.

I'm not sure what is ridiculous. We have evidence that The Pacific attempted to cause a coup in Lazarus through "Task Force Lazarus" in order to gain an excuse to remove Funk from the Delegacy. We also have evidence that Feux, a NPO Senator, was endotarting in Lazarus at a time where The Pacific was actively supporting Imki during the Peacekeeper Agreement.

[Jar Wattinree]

I too can repeat posts, and make them look ridiculous because that is what your responses have become. But I cannot because that would push the bounds of civility.

I'm not sure what is ridiculous. We have evidence that The Pacific attempted to cause a coup in Lazarus through "Task Force Lazarus" in order to gain an excuse to remove Funk from the Delegacy. We also have evidence that Feux, a NPO Senator, was endotarting in Lazarus at a time where The Pacific was actively supporting Imki during the Peacekeeper Agreement.

Yes, and? Do continue.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

I'm not sure what is ridiculous. We have evidence that The Pacific attempted to cause a coup in Lazarus through "Task Force Lazarus" in order to gain an excuse to remove Funk from the Delegacy. We also have evidence that Feux, a NPO Senator, was endotarting in Lazarus at a time where The Pacific was actively supporting Imki during the Peacekeeper Agreement.

Yes, and? Do continue.

Is that not subversion? Is it not justifiable that many regions have declared war on the NPO due to those actions?

[Jar Wattinree]

Yes, and? Do continue.

Is that not subversion? Is it not justifiable that many regions have declared war on the NPO due to those actions?

Bandwagoning is hardly a justification. It is the latest in virtue signaling fashion to hate upon the ebil NPO.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Is that not subversion? Is it not justifiable that many regions have declared war on the NPO due to those actions?

Bandwagoning is hardly a justification. It is the latest in virtue signaling fashion to hate upon the ebil NPO.

I never said bandwagoning was justification. I said that subversion against GCRs is justification.

[Jar Wattinree]

Bandwagoning is hardly a justification. It is the latest in virtue signaling fashion to hate upon the ebil NPO.

I never said bandwagoning was justification. I said that subversion against GCRs is justification.

Last time I heard it was only Osiris that was the aggrieved party, not everyone and his mother.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I never said bandwagoning was justification. I said that subversion against GCRs is justification.

Last time I heard it was only Osiris that was the aggrieved party, not everyone and his mother.

The NPO also infiltrated and/or subverted The North Pacific, the South Pacific, the family of the Delegate and prominent members of the West Pacific, and Lazarus. It's not surprising to also see those regions' friends and allies responding to the NPO's unprovoked aggression.

Your gaslighting attempts are absurd, and nobody who wasn't already inclined to buy them is going to be moved by them.

[Consular]

Last time I heard it was only Osiris that was the aggrieved party, not everyone and his mother.

The NPO also infiltrated and/or subverted The North Pacific, the South Pacific, the family of the Delegate and prominent members of the West Pacific, and Lazarus. It's not surprising to also see those regions' friends and allies responding to the NPO's unprovoked aggression.

Your gaslighting attempts are absurd, and nobody who wasn't already inclined to buy them is going to be moved by them.

They're not only absurd -- they also make me seriously question whether I want to beleive the promises of the new Emperor. If he's letting his sheep run amok saying whatever they want, I'm not sure I can believe his apology is genuine.

[Jar Wattinree]

Last time I heard it was only Osiris that was the aggrieved party, not everyone and his mother.

The NPO also infiltrated and/or subverted The North Pacific, the South Pacific, the family of the Delegate and prominent members of the West Pacific, and Lazarus. It's not surprising to also see those regions' friends and allies responding to the NPO's unprovoked aggression.

Your gaslighting attempts are absurd, and nobody who wasn't already inclined to buy them is going to be moved by them.

Clearly it seems you are a good source of information.

[Consular]

What are you guys trying to accomplish?

Make us like the NPO even less?

[Jar Wattinree]

What are you guys trying to accomplish?

Make us like the NPO even less?

You seem fine as is with no help from ebil me.

NPO dewenda est ;;w;;

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

The NPO also infiltrated and/or subverted The North Pacific, the South Pacific, the family of the Delegate and prominent members of the West Pacific, and Lazarus. It's not surprising to also see those regions' friends and allies responding to the NPO's unprovoked aggression.

Your gaslighting attempts are absurd, and nobody who wasn't already inclined to buy them is going to be moved by them.

Clearly it seems you are a good source of information.

You could have at least read the logs showing what TP did wrong before claiming that they only subverted one region, when we have evidence that they directly subverted four.

[Jar Wattinree]

Clearly it seems you are a good source of information.

You could have at least read the logs showing what TP did wrong before claiming that they only subverted one region, when we have evidence that they directly subverted four.

The Pacifican Hivemind is much more capable than the doctored wogs you possess.

[Frattastan IV]

If you get off your moral indignation high horse for a second, you'll remember that the New Pacific Order opposed the Khanate thoroughly, as the Khanate was a puppet of the Lone Wolves United, indeed maybe even successor.

What I remember is that the NPO announced its "neutrality" - ie, acquiescence - shortly after the July coup, and a few months later declared Lazarus a "warzone" (presumably implying it's free for anyone to fight on).
To claim that it offered meaningful opposition to LWU after Funk's coup is false.

[Jar Wattinree]

If you get off your moral indignation high horse for a second, you'll remember that the New Pacific Order opposed the Khanate thoroughly, as the Khanate was a puppet of the Lone Wolves United, indeed maybe even successor.

What I remember is that the NPO announced its "neutrality" - ie, acquiescence - shortly after the July coup, and a few months later declared Lazarus a "warzone" (presumably implying it's free for anyone to fight on).
To claim that it offered meaningful opposition to LWU after Funk's coup is false.

We opposed, neutral or no. A sister Sinker under the control of hostile userites instead of her natives; this is worthy of opposition, for despite the current bandwagoning of hating the NPO, we have always advocated for our sisters, despite our differences in philosophy. The warzone declaration was our public announcement of this state of affairs.

Imki's counter-coup was a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one:

[Consular]

What are you guys trying to accomplish?

Make us like the NPO even less?

You seem fine as is with no help from ebil me.

NPO dewenda est ;;w;;

Right, so none of you are taking this remotely seriously.

I'll be treating the apology from your new emperor the same way.

Thanks for helping push me from relatively neutral to the other side.