US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[San Lumen]

No they won’t as New York has a independent redistricting committee now implemented via a referendum in 2014

I doubt it’s going to remain “independent” for very long

What is Albany going to do so it’s not independent?

[Tarsonis]

You run the risk of a runaway convention then, and with New York and California around that's a risk I'd rather not take.

There's no way out friendo

From what I’m gathering it appears you have no solution and just want to complain about his thr msjoirt of your state votes differently from you and want the system rigged so only your candidates can win or your side can control the legislature

That describes around 90% of American voters.

[Valrifell]

Well, for you maybe.

Would you really trust the Republicans if things went to a convention? Cuz I know a lot of Mike Pence types would love to change some things in the Constitution.

The trick is I don't think they'll agree on much aside from campaign finance and electoral reform, particularly when pushed.

[Tarsonis]

I doubt it’s going to remain “independent” for very long

What is Albany going to do so it’s not independent?

Appoint any american to the board.

[Valrifell]

You run the risk of a runaway convention then, and with New York and California around that's a risk I'd rather not take.

There's no way out friendo

theres far less chance of a runaway constitutional convention than people think. Good luck getting 3/4ths of the country to agree on anything.

We're actually not far from a state-called convention.

Granted, this is for a lot of different reasons and a lot of the resolutions are decades old, but still.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You run the risk of a runaway convention then, and with New York and California around that's a risk I'd rather not take.

There's no way out friendo

From what I’m gathering it appears you have no solution and just want to complain about his thr msjoirt of your state votes differently from you and want the system rigged so only your candidates can win

There is no solution is the problem. It's why I've become so disillusioned with the system. Both party establishments will kill any attempts at serious reform (looking back at the Reform Party is a great example of this, they were absolutely destroyed in a masterful political move by the GOP and it's a tragedy) and the idea of a Constitutional Convention opens up the possibility of all sorts of other nasty shit making it through because you aren't going to get both sides to come together and destroy their own power so it's going to have be a one sided affair which means the Dems or GOP will have carte blanche to rewrite things etc etc

The system is fucked yo

Would you really trust the Republicans if things went to a convention? Cuz I know a lot of Mike Pence types would love to change some things in the Constitution.

The trick is I don't think they'll agree on much aside from campaign finance and electoral reform, particularly when pushed.

They won't even agree on that. It would be political suicide for both the DNC and RNC.

[Tarsonis]

theres far less chance of a runaway constitutional convention than people think. Good luck getting 3/4ths of the country to agree on anything.

We're actually not far from a state-called convention.

Granted, this is for a lot of different reasons and a lot of the resolutions are decades old, but still.

Sure they might call one, but I highly doubt any convention would be successful unless it is on a glaringly obvious issue.

[San Lumen]

From what I’m gathering it appears you have no solution and just want to complain about his thr msjoirt of your state votes differently from you and want the system rigged so only your candidates can win or your side can control the legislature

That describes around 90% of American voters.

A small but vocal minority wants that

What is Albany going to do so it’s not independent?

Appoint any american to the board.

What does that mean? Members of the board have guidelines they must follow

[San Lumen]

From what I’m gathering it appears you have no solution and just want to complain about his thr msjoirt of your state votes differently from you and want the system rigged so only your candidates can win

There is no solution is the problem. It's why I've become so disillusioned with the system. Both party establishments will kill any attempts at serious reform (looking back at the Reform Party is a great example of this, they were absolutely destroyed in a masterful political move by the GOP and it's a tragedy) and the idea of a Constitutional Convention opens up the possibility of all sorts of other nasty shit making it through because you aren't going to get both sides to come together and destroy their own power so it's going to have be a one sided affair which means the Dems or GOP will have carte blanche to rewrite things etc etc

The system is fucked yo

The trick is I don't think they'll agree on much aside from campaign finance and electoral reform, particularly when pushed.

They won't even agree on that. It would be political suicide for both the DNC and RNC.

You have no solution then and would rather just complain. I would say run for state legislature next time but I’m sure you’ll say I’d never win or some other cop out answer.

There are many examples this year of people running fantastic campaigns no one expected them to win and pulled off huge upsets

[Washington Resistance Army]

You have no solution then and would rather just complain. I would say run for state legislature next time but I’m sure you’ll say I’d never win or some other cop out answer.

And what the fuck is that going to do even if I do win?

[San Lumen]

You have no solution then and would rather just complain. I would say run for state legislature next time but I’m sure you’ll say I’d never win or some other cop out answer.

And what the fuck is that going to do even if I do win?

Oh I don’t know perhaps a means to get your ideas implemented? You could write a bill and have it debated and voted on by the legislature. Who knows it might even be passed

[Washington Resistance Army]

And what the fuck is that going to do even if I do win?

Oh I don’t know perhaps a means to get your ideas implemented? You could write a bill and have it debated by the legislature

Oh come the fuck on dude lol, you know nothing I'd propose would ever make it out of committee in a solid blue state no matter what it is.

[San Lumen]

Oh I don’t know perhaps a means to get your ideas implemented? You could write a bill and have it debated by the legislature

Oh come the fuck on dude lol, you know nothing I'd propose would ever make it out of committee in a solid blue state no matter what it is.

You don’t know that

[Valrifell]

From what I’m gathering it appears you have no solution and just want to complain about his thr msjoirt of your state votes differently from you and want the system rigged so only your candidates can win

There is no solution is the problem. It's why I've become so disillusioned with the system. Both party establishments will kill any attempts at serious reform (looking back at the Reform Party is a great example of this, they were absolutely destroyed in a masterful political move by the GOP and it's a tragedy) and the idea of a Constitutional Convention opens up the possibility of all sorts of other nasty shit making it through because you aren't going to get both sides to come together and destroy their own power so it's going to have be a one sided affair which means the Dems or GOP will have carte blanche to rewrite things etc etc

The system is fucked yo

The trick is I don't think they'll agree on much aside from campaign finance and electoral reform, particularly when pushed.

They won't even agree on that. It would be political suicide for both the DNC and RNC.

Keep in mind that these delegations aren't national politicians, they often don't get those fancy corporate donors and would be more likely to vote against the interests of their national parties.

A few stated have already ratified resolutions to call for an amendment to fix campaign finance.

[Tarsonis]

Oh come the fuck on dude lol, you know nothing I'd propose would ever make it out of committee in a solid blue state no matter what it is.

You don’t know that

Yes, we do. We all do. And you're either extremely naive or willfully obtuse if you think Dems or Repubs will every willfully hand their opposition more power.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Oh come the fuck on dude lol, you know nothing I'd propose would ever make it out of committee in a solid blue state no matter what it is.

You don’t know that

Yes, yes I do. Because that's already what happens. It's why I stopped contacting my reps because no matter how well thought out and evidence based my positions were I got told to fuck off (in a politer way of course but the message was always clear) with the sole exception of a state senator whose office was rather accepting and agreed with a number of my points on some topics but he's a black sheep of sorts so that doesn't really even mean anything.

[San Lumen]

You don’t know that

Yes, we do. We all do. And you're either extremely naive or willfully obtuse if you think Dems or Repubs will every willfully hand their opposition more power.

If your not going to run for office or elect people who support what you do nothing is going to change

[Tarsonis]

That describes around 90% of American voters.

A small but vocal minority wants that

Appoint any american to the board.

What does that mean? Members of the board have guidelines they must follow

And who decides what guidelines they have to follow? Americans have political allegiances. Just because they're not overseen by the D and R directly, doesn't mean they are "independent." The only way to be independent would be to appoint Martians.

[San Lumen]

You don’t know that

Yes, yes I do. Because that's already what happens. It's why I stopped contacting my reps because no matter how well thought out and evidence based my positions were I got told to fuck off (in a politer way of course but the message was always clear) with the sole exception of a state senator whose office was rather accepting and agreed with a number of my points on some topics but he's a black sheep of sorts so that doesn't really even mean anything.

A black sheep? Why don’t you run against your state rep in 2020 then if you think you can do better?

Your not going to be mute in the state Capitol or unable to get a penny for your district

[San Lumen]

A small but vocal minority wants that
What does that mean? Members of the board have guidelines they must follow

And who decides what guidelines they have to follow? Americans have political allegiances. Just because they're not overseen by the D and R directly, doesn't mean they are "independent." The only way to be independent would be to appoint Martians.

It’s called the law.

[Tarsonis]

Yes, we do. We all do. And you're either extremely naive or willfully obtuse if you think Dems or Repubs will every willfully hand their opposition more power.

If your not going to run for office or elect people who support what you do nothing is going to change

Well you see we vote for these people. The problem is, other people vote too

[Tarsonis]

And who decides what guidelines they have to follow? Americans have political allegiances. Just because they're not overseen by the D and R directly, doesn't mean they are "independent." The only way to be independent would be to appoint Martians.

It’s called the law.

And if there's one thing politicians adhere to like Gospel,... it's the Law.

[Ifreann]

If your not going to run for office or elect people who support what you do nothing is going to change

Well you see we vote for these people. The problem is, other people vote too

Yes, I'm sure for some people that is a problem.

[San Lumen]

If your not going to run for office or elect people who support what you do nothing is going to change

Well you see we vote for these people. The problem is, other people vote too

Several new members of congress would disagree. No one thought Kendra horn in Oklahoma or Joe Cunningham in South Carolina would win

Heck here in New York several state senate districts flipped no one thought was competitive. Staten Island also ousted their congressman

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes, yes I do. Because that's already what happens. It's why I stopped contacting my reps because no matter how well thought out and evidence based my positions were I got told to fuck off (in a politer way of course but the message was always clear) with the sole exception of a state senator whose office was rather accepting and agreed with a number of my points on some topics but he's a black sheep of sorts so that doesn't really even mean anything.

A black sheep? Why don’t you run against your state rep in 2020 then if you think you can do better?

I don't think I could do better than him, but it goes to show why running would be pointless. He's even a Democrat and is still ostracized to a degree by the rest of the state party because he dares to lean to the right on some topics.

Your not going to be mute in the state Capitol or unable to get a penny for your district

Oh but I would be a mute because I'd be in the minority and my views wouldn't matter. You have an overly utopian view of how our system works and I hate to break it to you bud but your views don't match reality.