UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Salandriagado]

Voted to leave by a gnat's pube. Given the abysmal handling of the negotiations, and various successive polls, I'm not really seeing much evidence of a set in stone mandate really.

Anyway, given that referendums (including the, you know, set in stone one) are advisory, can't be much harm in taking the national temperature again, so to speak.

Pretty sure you wouldn't be arguing for this if the result had been the opposite.

If the result had been the opposite, we wouldn't have had two years of absolute morons shooting us in the collective foot.

[Vassenor]

Voted to leave by a gnat's pube. Given the abysmal handling of the negotiations, and various successive polls, I'm not really seeing much evidence of a set in stone mandate really.

Anyway, given that referendums (including the, you know, set in stone one) are advisory, can't be much harm in taking the national temperature again, so to speak.

Pretty sure you wouldn't be arguing for this if the result had been the opposite.

You mean like Nigel "the matter will only be considered settled with a two-thirds majority" Farage?

[Jakker]

Don't bother. Strawmanning is Vassenor's favorite debate tactic.

If you're going to criticize someone's way of debating, maybe engage in the debate as well. I know that you get into a lot of heated back and forth with Vassenor, but don't bring that into other threads without additional contribution. Otherwise, it might be time to start ignoring each other/putting the other on your foe's list. Don't just use threads as an excuse to attack the other.

[Philjia]

It's revolving doors time! Amber Rudd, who resigned as home secretary in April following the Windrush scandal, will be returning to the Cabinet as the Work and Pensions Secretary.

[Hurdergaryp]

It's revolving doors time! Amber Rudd, who resigned as home secretary in April, will be returning to the Cabinet as the Work and Pensions Secretary.

Always good to have something to do again after enjoying your sabbatical.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Pretty sure you wouldn't be arguing for this if the result had been the opposite.

If the result had been the opposite, we wouldn't have had two years of absolute morons shooting us in the collective foot.

If we wanted to play the game of considering "what ifs" then Cameron would have remained as PM, at least initially. Brexit whilst being put to bed for the immediacy would not have gone away as a consideration, I'm quite sure UKIP would probably receive a few more votes until the moguls at the top began tire of those headlines and potentially focus media spotlights and pressures elsewhere. What a Cameron/Trump relationship would look like would certainly create some waves.
If the vote had been as tight the other way around then we would have seen a government either taking steps to pursue other options within the EU, or a government actually having some balls and level-headed thinkers to sort out the domestic issues that were often blamed on the EU.

[Philjia]

Stephen Barclay, formerly a minister at the Department of Health and Social Care, is the new Brexit Secretary.

[Vassenor]

Stephen Barclay, formerly a minister at the Department of Health and Social Care, is the new Brexit Secretary.

So the office isn't being binned just yet?

[Philjia]

Stephen Barclay, formerly a minister at the Department of Health and Social Care, is the new Brexit Secretary.

So the office isn't being binned just yet?

This is Barclay's first cabinet role so presumably he's very much in May's pocket. Rudd's also a reliable ally of May, since she took the fall for the Windrush scandal May caused.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

So does Mogg just not have the support he thought he had?

[Hurdergaryp]

So does Mogg just not have the support he thought he had?

Clearly he needs to call in the mothership hiding behind Jupiter.

[Vassenor]

So does Mogg just not have the support he thought he had?

Well so far there's only 21 confirmed letters of no-confidence.

[Philjia]

So does Mogg just not have the support he thought he had?

The Tories are known for many things but doing things quickly isn't one of them. It's still quite possible the number of letters needed to trigger a no confidence vote has been reached, but not all of them have been processed and not everyone who sent one will have made it public. On top of that, there's probably plenty of MPs delaying a decision until they've been able to consult with their constituents.

[Hydesland]

Literally who?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Literally who?

Super-loyal to May.

[Trumptonium1]

Why are they still trying to push Rudd down everyone's throats

Literally nobody likes her

[Ostroeuropa]

Why are they still trying to push Rudd down everyone's throats

Literally nobody likes her

Because her peers like her and they are out of touch.

[Philjia]

Why are they still trying to push Rudd down everyone's throats

Literally nobody likes her

May likes Rudd and Rudd likes May.

[Caracasus]

Why are they still trying to push Rudd down everyone's throats

Literally nobody likes her

May likes Rudd and Rudd likes May.

Let's face it, it's not like she's exactly got the best and brightest to choose from either.

[Fartsniffage]

May likes Rudd and Rudd likes May.

Let's face it, it's not like she's exactly got the best and brightest to choose from either.

What happened to the heavy weights in both parties?

[Philjia]

Perhaps don't have your low key meetings in a restaurant?

[Salandriagado]

Let's face it, it's not like she's exactly got the best and brightest to choose from either.

What happened to the heavy weights in both parties?

Not stupid enough to put themselves in a place where they might end up having to take the blame for Brexit.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

What happened to the heavy weights in both parties?

Not stupid enough to put themselves in a place where they might end up having to take the blame for Brexit.

What blame? It'll go well

[Salandriagado]

Not stupid enough to put themselves in a place where they might end up having to take the blame for Brexit.

What blame? It'll go well

[Souseiseki]

It's revolving doors time! Amber Rudd, who resigned as home secretary in April following the Windrush scandal, will be returning to the Cabinet as the Work and Pensions Secretary.

do you think that people will stop referring to disgraced former defence secretary liam fox as disgraced former defence secretary liam fox now that disgraced former home secretary amber rudd is on the scene?