Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Mystic Warriors]

I noticed you cut out the part where I said I wasn't staying here forever. This states laws mean jack shit to me. The laws of the state I am going to do

Because that part wasn't relevant.

Also, by chance would you mind telling the class how you know I don't work in the gun industry? Because literally everyone on this site, even the people who really don't like me, will tell you I do. I have for a number of years now. I run a small LLC and yeah it's nothing mind boggling but it's not a secret that I work with guns.

It was relevant. You took issue with me wanting to buy am AR15, going on about how I couldn't. I corrected you. It was related to something you said, so relevant. I dont care about this states gun laws.



FYI, I dont trust anyone. I dont believe you because I never seen any evidence. It's not personal, I do it to everyone.



Let get back on track, I didn't instead it to go where it has gone. I am assuming NY has similar gun laws as California. Honestly, I haven't looked.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because that part wasn't relevant.

Also, by chance would you mind telling the class how you know I don't work in the gun industry? Because literally everyone on this site, even the people who really don't like me, will tell you I do. I have for a number of years now. I run a small LLC and yeah it's nothing mind boggling but it's not a secret that I work with guns.

It was relevant. You took issue with me wanting to buy am AR15, going on about how I couldn't. I corrected you. It was related to something you said, so relevant. I dont care about this states gun laws.



FYI, I dont trust anyone. I dont believe you because I never seen any evidence. It's not personal, I do it to everyone.



Let get back on track, I didn't instead it to go where it has gone. I am assuming NY has similar gun laws as California. Honestly, I haven't looked.

You're gonna be SOL on AR pistols in New York too, while the state has better laws than California because it doesn't have a roster handguns still have to comply with a bunch of nonsensical laws and AR pistols would violate state laws by having:

A detachable magazine
A magazine outside of the grip
An unloaded weight of 50 ounces (for comparison that comes out to about 3 pounds and most AR pistols are gonna be closer to 5ish)
And because they could argue an AR is a semi-auto version of the M-16

tl;dr avoid blue states if you wanna own guns, unless you're an FFL cuz then you can Form 2 your way out of any law

[Mystic Warriors]

It was relevant. You took issue with me wanting to buy am AR15, going on about how I couldn't. I corrected you. It was related to something you said, so relevant. I dont care about this states gun laws.



FYI, I dont trust anyone. I dont believe you because I never seen any evidence. It's not personal, I do it to everyone.



Let get back on track, I didn't instead it to go where it has gone. I am assuming NY has similar gun laws as California. Honestly, I haven't looked.

You're gonna be SOL on AR pistols in New York too, while the state has better laws than California because it doesn't have a roster handguns still have to comply with a bunch of nonsensical laws and AR pistols would violate state laws by having:

A detachable magazine
A magazine outside of the grip
An unloaded weight of 50 ounces (for comparison that comes out to about 3 pounds and most AR pistols are gonna be closer to 5ish)
And because they could argue an AR is a semi-auto version of the M-16

tl;dr avoid blue states if you wanna own guns, unless you're an FFL cuz then you can Form 2 your way out of any law

Damn. Shopping around I had a number of places. Indiana, Ohio, Missouri, Tennessee and Texas. Cost of living is better and my job has branches there. From my looking they are pretty lax on guns. Unless I missed something.

[Valgora]

It's not a mistake that the ATF said bumpstocks are okay at least 3 times. If the recoil pushed the gun forward on it's own (something ATF has explicitly said is illegal btw, so you can't put a spring in the stock to do that) it would be illegal under the precedent laid out in 81-4.

This is purely a PR move by the Trump admin but it's going to die in court.

e: also the worst part about the rules change is now hundreds of thousands, and potentially a million or more, Americans were turned into felons overnight with no way to change that because they can't register the bumpstocks under the NFA so you're fucked if you try to do it because you'll just be admitting you're a felon to the agency meant to arrest you and if you don't you're committing a serious crime. This is all sorts of fucked up on the legal end and they haven't even said what people should do yet.

Wait?
So if you own something that becomes something under the NFA you can't register it?
I thought you could because that was happened to owners of the Street Sweeper when it became a "destructive device" - the ATF sent owners a message that they had to register or surrender their guns, but they didn't have to pay transfer taxes to register it.

[Len Hyet]

It's not a mistake that the ATF said bumpstocks are okay at least 3 times. If the recoil pushed the gun forward on it's own (something ATF has explicitly said is illegal btw, so you can't put a spring in the stock to do that) it would be illegal under the precedent laid out in 81-4.

This is purely a PR move by the Trump admin but it's going to die in court.

e: also the worst part about the rules change is now hundreds of thousands, and potentially a million or more, Americans were turned into felons overnight with no way to change that because they can't register the bumpstocks under the NFA so you're fucked if you try to do it because you'll just be admitting you're a felon to the agency meant to arrest you and if you don't you're committing a serious crime. This is all sorts of fucked up on the legal end and they haven't even said what people should do yet.

Wait?
So if you own something that becomes something under the NFA you can't register it?
I thought you could because that was happened to owners of the Street Sweeper when it became a "destructive device" - the ATF sent owners a message that they had to register or surrender their guns, but they didn't have to pay transfer taxes to register it.

For certain things post-86 the ATF has re-opened the registry specifically for those items (eg lightning links). However this noticed provided for no such opportunity.

[Big Jim P]

You're gonna be SOL on AR pistols in New York too, while the state has better laws than California because it doesn't have a roster handguns still have to comply with a bunch of nonsensical laws and AR pistols would violate state laws by having:

A detachable magazine
A magazine outside of the grip
An unloaded weight of 50 ounces (for comparison that comes out to about 3 pounds and most AR pistols are gonna be closer to 5ish)
And because they could argue an AR is a semi-auto version of the M-16

tl;dr avoid blue states if you wanna own guns, unless you're an FFL cuz then you can Form 2 your way out of any law

Damn. Shopping around I had a number of places. Indiana, Ohio, Missouri, Tennessee and Texas. Cost of living is better and my job has branches there. From my looking they are pretty lax on guns. Unless I missed something.

Texas gun laws are almost reasonable, but I doubt you'd like it here.

[Big Jim P]

There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

To anyone with the proper training and/or mindset, almost anything can be used as a weapon.

[Valgora]

There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

To anyone with the proper training and/or mindset, almost anything can be used as a weapon.

https://youtu.be/GT69z_eXElI?t=148

[The Black Forrest]

There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

To anyone with the proper training and/or mindset, almost anything can be used as a weapon.

Indeed. My old master used to train commandos. Uhm? We just agreed on something.

Oh and Pax? How many children have you let play with loaded guns?

[Big Jim P]

To anyone with the proper training and/or mindset, almost anything can be used as a weapon.

Indeed. My old master used to train commandos. Uhm? We just agreed on something.

Oh and Pax? How many children have you let play with loaded guns?

I've never noted as to whether we are often in agreement or at odds.

Oh, and I (and my siblings) often "played" with loaded guns as children. We've been shooting since we were physically strong enough to hold a rifle. Somewhere between four and six.

[Pax Nerdvana]

To anyone with the proper training and/or mindset, almost anything can be used as a weapon.

Indeed. My old master used to train commandos. Uhm? We just agreed on something.

Oh and Pax? How many children have you let play with loaded guns?

None. I'm safety conscious.

[The Black Forrest]

Indeed. My old master used to train commandos. Uhm? We just agreed on something.

Oh and Pax? How many children have you let play with loaded guns?

I've never noted as to whether we are often in agreement or at odds.

Oh, and I (and my siblings) often "played" with loaded guns as children. We've been shooting since we were physically strong enough to hold a rifle. Somewhere between four and six.

Oh the point was weapons are dangerous. You went without supervision? I didn't but then again I was distructo boy. My introduction was a shotgun. Don't remember what it was only that it had two barrels. The running gag my cousins was to kind of forget to mention something about the kick. I was knocked on my ass.

[Big Jim P]

I've never noted as to whether we are often in agreement or at odds.

Oh, and I (and my siblings) often "played" with loaded guns as children. We've been shooting since we were physically strong enough to hold a rifle. Somewhere between four and six.

Oh the point was weapons are dangerous. You went without supervision? I didn't but then again I was distructo boy. My introduction was a shotgun. Don't remember what it was only that it had two barrels. The running gag my cousins was to kind of forget to mention something about the kick. I was knocked on my ass.

I never said "unsupervised", now did I? We started on .22 rifles. Marlin Model 60 most likely, but that was more than 40 years ago, so I could be wrong.

And yes, weapons are dangerous. That is why the FIRST thing you teach a new shooter (regardless of age) is safety, safety and safety, along with a healthy respect for the weapon and it's capabilities.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Oh the point was weapons are dangerous. You went without supervision? I didn't but then again I was distructo boy. My introduction was a shotgun. Don't remember what it was only that it had two barrels. The running gag my cousins was to kind of forget to mention something about the kick. I was knocked on my ass.

I never said "unsupervised", now did I? We started on .22 rifles. Marlin Model 60 most likely, but that was more than 40 years ago, so I could be wrong.

And yes, weapons are dangerous. That is why the FIRST thing you teach a new shooter (regardless of age) is safety, safety and safety, along with a healthy respect for the weapon and it's capabilities.

Every gun is loaded, keep the safety on, keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot, and make sure the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction.

[Big Jim P]

I never said "unsupervised", now did I? We started on .22 rifles. Marlin Model 60 most likely, but that was more than 40 years ago, so I could be wrong.

And yes, weapons are dangerous. That is why the FIRST thing you teach a new shooter (regardless of age) is safety, safety and safety, along with a healthy respect for the weapon and it's capabilities.

Every gun is loaded, keep the safety on, keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot, and make sure the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction.

Yep. I am teaching Roan, and she took the finger off the trigger as common sense. Puts a lot of old time gunners to shame.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Every gun is loaded, keep the safety on, keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot, and make sure the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction.

Yep. I am teaching Roan, and she took the finger off the trigger as common sense. Puts a lot of old time gunners to shame.

That's good that she did that by instinct. On a related note, one time I was up in Maine, in one of those stores that sells everything. I was with my cousin, down in the gun section. He picked up what I think was a .22, and started pointing it every which way, including my general direction.
That's the problem. People are ignorant about guns and gun safety.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Yep. I am teaching Roan, and she took the finger off the trigger as common sense. Puts a lot of old time gunners to shame.

That's good that she did that by instinct. On a related note, one time I was up in Maine, in one of those stores that sells everything. I was with my cousin, down in the gun section. He picked up what I think was a .22, and started pointing it every which way, including my general direction.
That's the problem. People are ignorant about guns and gun safety.

However this is not a reason to restrict guns or who may own them.

[Pax Nerdvana]

That's good that she did that by instinct. On a related note, one time I was up in Maine, in one of those stores that sells everything. I was with my cousin, down in the gun section. He picked up what I think was a .22, and started pointing it every which way, including my general direction.
That's the problem. People are ignorant about guns and gun safety.

However this is not a reason to restrict guns or who may own them.

Exactly. We need to educate the ignorant. Maybe make firearms safety courses part of school education.

[Valgora]

However this is not a reason to restrict guns or who may own them.

Exactly. We need to educate the ignorant. Maybe make firearms safety courses part of school education.

My school had Outdoor Education as an elective.
Don't know if it is widespread.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Exactly. We need to educate the ignorant. Maybe make firearms safety courses part of school education.

My school had Outdoor Education as an elective.
Don't know if it is widespread.

Lucky. Mine didn't. I think it might be certain areas than, which is unfortunate.

[Valgora]

My school had Outdoor Education as an elective.
Don't know if it is widespread.

Lucky. Mine didn't. I think it might be certain areas than, which is unfortunate.

I live in Arkansas. That may be why we had it.
That and my school did have a lot of money.

We also had a Gun Club thingy at my school that was done through 4-H.
Did that for a year.
Didn't like it though - 6 months with BB guns, then only shotguns and the biggest rifle rounds we used were .22LR.
Also, we always prayed at every meeting for some reason - that got kinda annoying.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Lucky. Mine didn't. I think it might be certain areas than, which is unfortunate.

I live in Arkansas. That may be why we had it.
That and my school did have a lot of money.

We also had a Gun Club thingy at my school that was done through 4-H.
Did that for a year.
Didn't like it though - 6 months with BB guns, then only shotguns and the biggest rifle rounds we used were .22LR.
Also, we always prayed at every meeting for some reason - that got kinda annoying.

At least you had it. It must be spread to the rest of the country.

[Valgora]

I live in Arkansas. That may be why we had it.
That and my school did have a lot of money.

We also had a Gun Club thingy at my school that was done through 4-H.
Did that for a year.
Didn't like it though - 6 months with BB guns, then only shotguns and the biggest rifle rounds we used were .22LR.
Also, we always prayed at every meeting for some reason - that got kinda annoying.

At least you had it. It must be spread to the rest of the country.

I agree.
I'd probably also be fine with making Outdoor Education a required part of education.

[Grand Kiwi island]

At least you had it. It must be spread to the rest of the country.

I agree.
I'd probably also be fine with making Outdoor Education a required part of education.

your lucky my JROTC unit in high school only had ceremonial faux-rifles

[Valgora]

I agree.
I'd probably also be fine with making Outdoor Education a required part of education.

your lucky my JROTC unit in high school only had ceremonial faux-rifles

Why am I lucky?
Were y'all shit with handling firearms?