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Postby Nakena » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:23 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Actual prison for a bit of graffiti and vandalism? Not in any remotely sane universe, no.

Jail is not the same as prison. Jail holds people for short term incarceration, or for pre-trial detention. Prison holds people long term. Notice how I said jail.


They should getting fined, with the fines being calculated on their income.

I wonder how many of them are actual working class, rather than spoiled middle-class brats who read up some left-wing books and now LARP as super revolutionary warriors after college hours.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:23 am

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Ifreann wrote:I doubt you could actually convict people for trespassing just for walking up to someone's front door. If you could, prisons would be full of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Jehovah's witnesses don't spray graffiti in someones driveway. No matter how you slice it, that is still vandalism.

Yep.


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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Jehovah's witnesses don't spray graffiti in someones driveway. No matter how you slice it, that is still vandalism.

Vandalism isn't terrorism, which is what a lot of right-wingers here want them charged with.

Crimes against property are the most serious kind.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:23 am

Nakena wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Jail is not the same as prison. Jail holds people for short term incarceration, or for pre-trial detention. Prison holds people long term. Notice how I said jail.


They should getting fined, with the fines being calculated on their income.

I wonder how many of them are actual working class, rather than spoiled middle-class brats who read up some left-wing books and now LARP as super revolutionary warriors after college hours.

Calculating fines based on income and assets is my fetish.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:25 am

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Jail is not the same as prison. Jail holds people for short term incarceration, or for pre-trial detention. Prison holds people long term. Notice how I said jail.


Any incarceration for a one off bit of graffiti would be the most monumentally moronic waste of police resources.

I know. It's people you support, so any punishment, no matter how slight, be damned.

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Postby Caracasus » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:27 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
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Any incarceration for a one off bit of graffiti would be the most monumentally moronic waste of police resources.

I know. It's people you support, so any punishment, no matter how slight, be damned.


Given I called this lot a bunch of dickheads LARPing as revolutionaries a few pages back, claiming I support them is a bit of a stretch.

I mean, compared to some people claiming this was terrorism, not that much of a stretch, but still.
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Postby Roselladrelos » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:27 am

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:30 am

Caracasus wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I know. It's people you support, so any punishment, no matter how slight, be damned.


Given I called this lot a bunch of dickheads LARPing as revolutionaries a few pages back, claiming I support them is a bit of a stretch.

I mean, compared to some people claiming this was terrorism, not that much of a stretch, but still.

Ok, I stand corrected. Now, how do you think fining would work as a punishment? It is vandalism, so some punishment should be applied here.
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Postby Caracasus » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:36 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
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Given I called this lot a bunch of dickheads LARPing as revolutionaries a few pages back, claiming I support them is a bit of a stretch.

I mean, compared to some people claiming this was terrorism, not that much of a stretch, but still.

Ok, I stand corrected. Now, how do you think fining would work as a punishment? It is vandalism, so some punishment should be applied here.


Dunno how the American system works, but in the UK I think it'd be a case for community service. Of course, if there were 20 or so people, finding out who actually did the graffiti might be a challenge.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:45 am

Caracasus wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Ok, I stand corrected. Now, how do you think fining would work as a punishment? It is vandalism, so some punishment should be applied here.


Dunno how the American system works, but in the UK I think it'd be a case for community service. Of course, if there were 20 or so people, finding out who actually did the graffiti might be a challenge.


Community service would be fine, it actually gives them something useful to do.

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Postby Knessniet » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:53 am

Nakena wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Dunno how the American system works, but in the UK I think it'd be a case for community service. Of course, if there were 20 or so people, finding out who actually did the graffiti might be a challenge.


Community service would be fine, it actually gives them something useful to do.

Jail doesn't mean being idle, ever hear of Sheriff Joe Arapio's chain gangs?

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Postby Caracasus » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:55 am

Well at least people seem to be considering this with slightly more rationality now.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:57 am

Knessniet wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Community service would be fine, it actually gives them something useful to do.

Jail doesn't mean being idle, ever hear of Sheriff Joe Arapio's chain gangs?

Convicted criminal Joe Arpaio forced people into slave labour? Sounds plausible, but maybe you should provide a source all the same.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
Knessniet wrote:Jail doesn't mean being idle, ever hear of Sheriff Joe Arapio's chain gangs?

Convicted criminal Joe Arpaio forced people into slave labour? Sounds plausible, but maybe you should provide a source all the same.

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Postby Knessniet » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
Knessniet wrote:Jail doesn't mean being idle, ever hear of Sheriff Joe Arapio's chain gangs?

Convicted criminal Joe Arpaio forced people into slave labour? Sounds plausible, but maybe you should provide a source all the same.

"In 1995, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs. In 1996, he expanded the chain gang concept by instituting female volunteer chain gangs..."
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:21 am

Knessniet wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Convicted criminal Joe Arpaio forced people into slave labour? Sounds plausible, but maybe you should provide a source all the same.

"In 1995, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs. In 1996, he expanded the chain gang concept by instituting female volunteer chain gangs..."
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Postby Knessniet » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:23 am

Ifreann wrote:
Knessniet wrote:"In 1995, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs. In 1996, he expanded the chain gang concept by instituting female volunteer chain gangs..."
- Joe Arpaio, Wikipedia

Truly there are no ends to his evil.

It was legal though.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:28 am

Knessniet wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Truly there are no ends to his evil.

It was legal though.

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
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I'm aware. Legal things can still be evil.
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Postby Hatterleigh » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:42 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:I believe that there's also been Trump supporters harassing if not mailing bombs to CNN journalists. At this point, I fear Civil War is imminent and that the Alt-Right and ANTIFA are likely to be who start it.


Edit: It isn't right for ANTIFA to do this, but given the events of the past few weeks... I feel that this was brewing for a while.

The mail bomber wasn't part of the alt right. Trump supporters aren't part of the alt right generally and vice versa
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Postby Nakena » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:47 am

Hatterleigh wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:I believe that there's also been Trump supporters harassing if not mailing bombs to CNN journalists. At this point, I fear Civil War is imminent and that the Alt-Right and ANTIFA are likely to be who start it.


Edit: It isn't right for ANTIFA to do this, but given the events of the past few weeks... I feel that this was brewing for a while.

The mail bomber wasn't part of the alt right. Trump supporters aren't part of the alt right generally and vice versa


Uh oh, theres still a lot of Alt-Righters who are however lukewarm supporters of Trump. Despite their honeymoon ended with the April 2017 Syria strikes already.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:23 am

Herotria wrote:This is why I hate the Antifa. They're contents only include fanatics, violence, and asinine behavior.

Which group(s)?
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Antifa isn't an organization nor a group. They are a social movement consisted of many different organisations and peoples.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:And which terrorist group are you talking about?

We can all guess.

AntiFa

Antifa isn't an organization nor a group. It's a social movement consisted of many different organisations, groups and peoples.
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Like, fucking duh?

And we’re talking about “Antifa”, which is very ganglike in its conduct.

Which group(s)?
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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Jehovah's witnesses don't spray graffiti in someones driveway. No matter how you slice it, that is still vandalism.

Vandalism isn't terrorism, which is what a lot of right-wingers here want them charged with.

In most cases yes, but what if someone sprayed "you all will die tomorrow"? Sounds pretty terroristic to me.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:25 am

Hatterleigh wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:I believe that there's also been Trump supporters harassing if not mailing bombs to CNN journalists. At this point, I fear Civil War is imminent and that the Alt-Right and ANTIFA are likely to be who start it.


Edit: It isn't right for ANTIFA to do this, but given the events of the past few weeks... I feel that this was brewing for a while.

The mail bomber wasn't part of the alt right. Trump supporters aren't part of the alt right generally and vice versa

What kind of wacky meaning of alt-right excludes Trump supporters?
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Postby Realistic Union » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:31 am

Such tolerance, oh yeah, tolerance does not exists, in the end the goals of our group are priority, people like me just showing it more publicly.
One day we conservatives will take power again and all this chaos which the filthy democracy cannot stop will end! Antifa will pay for their crimes against conservatives,
What a sweet day will it be!

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Postby Nakena » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:32 am

Realistic Union wrote:Such tolerance, oh yeah, tolerance does not exists, in the end the goals of our group are priority, people like me just showing it more publicly.
One day we conservatives will take power again and all this chaos which the filthy democracy cannot stop will end! Antifa will pay for their crimes against conservatives,
What a sweet day will it be!


Who exactly is your brand of conservatives and where and how you intend to take power?

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Postby Caracasus » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:36 am

Nakena wrote:
Realistic Union wrote:Such tolerance, oh yeah, tolerance does not exists, in the end the goals of our group are priority, people like me just showing it more publicly.
One day we conservatives will take power again and all this chaos which the filthy democracy cannot stop will end! Antifa will pay for their crimes against conservatives,
What a sweet day will it be!


Who exactly is your brand of conservatives and where and how you intend to take power?


My money is on the kind of 'conservatism' that involves goose stepping and a frankly unsettlingly large amount of leather outfits.
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Tucker Carlson reported that the FBI has an “ongoing” relationship with the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a left-wing nonprofit that once placed Housing and Urban Development Secretary Dr. Ben Carson on an “extremist watch list.” He said that the SPLC is a fraudulent enterprise and further stated that It’s a left-wing political group that uses ‘hate crime’ designations to target its ideological enemies and to crush people. In addition, Twitter, Facebook and Amazon consult with the SPLC in policing their platforms for “hate speech” or “hate groups.”


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Community service would be fine, it actually gives them something useful to do.

Jail doesn't mean being idle, ever hear of Sheriff Joe Arapio's chain gangs?


You mean convicted felon Joe Arpaio?
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