Kubumba Tribe wrote:The student should've gotten his way.
No, he shouldn't, because some religious practices are stupid taboos that need to be dropped.
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by Borinsa » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:04 pm
Kubumba Tribe wrote:The student should've gotten his way.
by Thermodolia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:04 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:I'd imagine it's not very healthy or safe to walk around in bare feet, but I don't see that it's unhealthy for other people to be around someone in bare feet? They're probably cleaner than the soles of shoes. Seems to be a case of something socially abnormal being labeled a public safety issue because people are confused by it.
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:05 pm
Valgora wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's a public health hazard. Verucas and so on. We shouldn't tolerate peoples religion if it's damaging to public wellbeing. Aztecs make for poor neighbors.
How is someone not wearing shoes a public health hazard?
Was he putting his feet on the tables? Was he using his feet to put food on his tray?
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by Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:07 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:I'd imagine it's not very healthy or safe to walk around in bare feet, but I don't see that it's unhealthy for other people to be around someone in bare feet? They're probably cleaner than the soles of shoes. Seems to be a case of something socially abnormal being labeled a public safety issue because people are confused by it.
by Thanatttynia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:08 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:I'd imagine it's not very healthy or safe to walk around in bare feet, but I don't see that it's unhealthy for other people to be around someone in bare feet? They're probably cleaner than the soles of shoes. Seems to be a case of something socially abnormal being labeled a public safety issue because people are confused by it.
No they aren’t. Barefeet can transfer warts and other lovely things that shoes can’t
by Valgora » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:09 pm
Cetacea wrote:I'd need to see more details on his religious convictions
afaik most of the religious doctrines that mandate barefeet do so as part of a vow of poverty - which begs the question of Why is he is in a cafeteria spending money
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by Thanatttynia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:10 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:I'd imagine it's not very healthy or safe to walk around in bare feet, but I don't see that it's unhealthy for other people to be around someone in bare feet? They're probably cleaner than the soles of shoes. Seems to be a case of something socially abnormal being labeled a public safety issue because people are confused by it.
This is a better argument than most. I'd argue that he's unnecessarily increasing the risk to those who would go barefoot temporarily for reasons outside their control, or increasing the background risk to people in general from things like broken shoes, worn socks and so on. It's like arguing "Well, only I suffer from refusing to immunize myself."
That's not true. You're fucking over people whose protections have failed. Doing it deliberately should not be tolerated.
by The United Lands of Ash » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:11 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Thermodolia wrote:No they aren’t. Barefeet can transfer warts and other lovely things that shoes can’t
Shoes can transfer germs, though, probably better than bare feet can, given all the extra surface area on the soles of shoes. And that wouldn't really be a problem if a) you keep your feet on the floor and b) others don't eat off the floor.
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:12 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
This is a better argument than most. I'd argue that he's unnecessarily increasing the risk to those who would go barefoot temporarily for reasons outside their control, or increasing the background risk to people in general from things like broken shoes, worn socks and so on. It's like arguing "Well, only I suffer from refusing to immunize myself."
That's not true. You're fucking over people whose protections have failed. Doing it deliberately should not be tolerated.
I mean, as risks go, that's a pretty minor and inconsequential one. I think erring on the side of greater personal freedom is the way to go unless there is a significant public safety risk.
by Valgora » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:13 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:I'd imagine it's not very healthy or safe to walk around in bare feet, but I don't see that it's unhealthy for other people to be around someone in bare feet? They're probably cleaner than the soles of shoes. Seems to be a case of something socially abnormal being labeled a public safety issue because people are confused by it.
This is a better argument than most. I'd argue that he's unnecessarily increasing the risk to those who would go barefoot temporarily for reasons outside their control, or increasing the background risk to people in general from things like broken shoes, worn socks and so on. It's like arguing "Well, only I suffer from refusing to immunize myself."
That's not true. You're fucking over people whose protections have failed. Doing it deliberately should not be tolerated.Valgora wrote:To who? Who's touching his feet and/or what are his feet touching that'll transfer warts to other people?
See above. The floor.
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by Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:15 pm
Valgora wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
This is a better argument than most. I'd argue that he's unnecessarily increasing the risk to those who would go barefoot temporarily for reasons outside their control, or increasing the background risk to people in general from things like broken shoes, worn socks and so on. It's like arguing "Well, only I suffer from refusing to immunize myself."
That's not true. You're fucking over people whose protections have failed. Doing it deliberately should not be tolerated.
See above. The floor.
This is nothing like someone not immunizing themself.
The number of people who's shoes are broken to the point of lots of contact between the floor and skin is pretty low - at that point, one might as well be going barefoot.
Really, the only people in any really danger are others who are going barefoot.
by Valgora » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:16 pm
Borinsa wrote:Freedom of religion shouldn't exist as a human right.
All it does is violate other human rights.
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by Thermodolia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:17 pm
Ifreann wrote:Ithreland wrote:
So if I have guests over, it's semi-public. Interesting. Never thought of it that way.
Yes, inviting people into your home is the same as being a cafe.
Sure.
Whatever.Thermodolia wrote:Places of worship are held to a different standard and aren’t considered public places
Ah, so no freedom of religion in public places except how organised religions get to have special rights in public places.
by Valgora » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:17 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Valgora wrote:
This is nothing like someone not immunizing themself.
The number of people who's shoes are broken to the point of lots of contact between the floor and skin is pretty low - at that point, one might as well be going barefoot.
Really, the only people in any really danger are others who are going barefoot.
If he's going barefoot he is probably doing it all the time and in all places he goes. He has drastically increased the risk that the area is infected and is spreading that infection wherever he goes.
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by The United Lands of Ash » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:18 pm
Valgora wrote:Borinsa wrote:Freedom of religion shouldn't exist as a human right.
All it does is violate other human rights.
Freedom of religion should exist.
It should only cease to exist when it starts to violate the rights of other people.
And freedom of religion also keeps people from being forced to practice a religion they don't want to practice.
by Farburg » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:18 pm
Valgora wrote:Borinsa wrote:Freedom of religion shouldn't exist as a human right.
All it does is violate other human rights.
Freedom of religion should exist.
It should only cease to exist when it starts to violate the rights of other people.
And freedom of religion also keeps people from being forced to practice a religion they don't want to practice.
by Thermodolia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:19 pm
Valgora wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
This is a better argument than most. I'd argue that he's unnecessarily increasing the risk to those who would go barefoot temporarily for reasons outside their control, or increasing the background risk to people in general from things like broken shoes, worn socks and so on. It's like arguing "Well, only I suffer from refusing to immunize myself."
That's not true. You're fucking over people whose protections have failed. Doing it deliberately should not be tolerated.
See above. The floor.
This is nothing like someone not immunizing themself.
The number of people who's shoes are broken to the point of lots of contact between the floor and skin is pretty low - at that point, one might as well be going barefoot.
Really, the only people in any really danger are others who are going barefoot.
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:19 pm
Valgora wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
If he's going barefoot he is probably doing it all the time and in all places he goes. He has drastically increased the risk that the area is infected and is spreading that infection wherever he goes.
An infection that will unlikely affect enough people to become even close to a public safety hazard.
by Thanatttynia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:19 pm
The United Lands of Ash wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:Shoes can transfer germs, though, probably better than bare feet can, given all the extra surface area on the soles of shoes. And that wouldn't really be a problem if a) you keep your feet on the floor and b) others don't eat off the floor.
I'd guess one thing a business who doesn't want people to walk around barefoot is also safety. They don't want to liable if a barefooted buy steps on something in their place.
But that's a really specific thing, it doesn't sound like an attack on religion as it is someone not wanting to get sued. Otherwise it isn't really hurting anyone expect the people going around barefoot's feet.
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