Flanderlion wrote:Think I'm leaning against after trying pretty hard to like the idea.
Firstly, to the suggestions that Koth would make it, no offense to Koth who seems alright from the few interactions I've had with him, but are people seriously suggesting that a player who was subject to a WA ban/lost their main nation for using an illegal script should be given access to the game code? Like, wow.
Get out of here with that crap. 2 years later and I'm still being raked over the coals (this time by another former member of DEN, ha) for using what everyone thought was a legal program written by a rule-abiding coder a couple of times long before Halcones was declared DoS. There were multiple people punished by the admins during that whole debacle that hadn't even ever used Predator, but apparently they should also be precluded from ever touching another line of code. Give me a break. There's plenty of good reasons to criticize me, this isn't one of them.
Second, isn't very well fleshed out at all, but seems needlessly complex and a massive feature for only a small subset of the game. The specific points of the proposal are a lot harder to critique, because it doesn't appear to have much more specifics, and just a general idea. Having ideas simple is a major part of NS.
At least one mod disagrees that it isn't fleshed out enough to merit consideration, but even so, part of the idea of bringing this to Technical was so that I could get everyone involved and help work out the details I was struggling with. I never claimed this idea is ready to throw in the oven. I also have no idea what you're trying to say when you're calling my ideas too general yet somehow also needlessly complex.
Third, half the problems presented by OP aren't problems that need admin intervention. I agree with is the lack of avenues for conflict, but allowing GP regions god mode founders without allowing the WA to take away those protections, and incentives to refound and destroy regions rather than annex and build them is the issue. Gameplay core concepts being simple is good, as it makes it easier for newer players to grasp. Complexity for complexities sake doesn't exactly sound like something to strive towards.
Who says Electors are "god mode founders"? That makes zero sense, they're only afforded protections within the rest of this faction system, not the existing R/D game. And who said the WA couldn't be used to strip Electorship? Maybe instead of dismissing the idea entirely, you could do what practically everyone else with a critique in this thread has done and offer an alternate idea and explain how it could benefit the system. Also, there literally are incentives for annexing and building up regions. This isn't an amazingly complex concept, I still don't understand why you think it's just adding meaningless crap for the sake of it.
Bits of the idea I like, bits I think could be fixed, and bits I think are beyond salvage. Overall though, seems like a massively complex and enormous undertaking for something that imho could be fixed, or at least helped significantly by a mixture of adding the ability for the WA to remove founders/annexation (idea I've loved for the last 3 years and written pages on)/upping ejection costs/making regions that are empty turning off their password and needing to remain empty for a day before CTEing. Basically aiming for more founderless regions and making the path of least resistance region building rather than region destruction.
"Gameplay doesn't need big admin changes to fix the game, it just needs the ability for powerful GCRs to strip UCRs of their Founders through the WA and making the world stage a wasteland of founderless regions that can be exploited for the elitists' entertainment!"
Yeah, okay buddy. Maybe this isn't the thread for you after all.
Also does GP really need this feature ahead of every other community in the game? Not sure what other features are pressing, and I would highly like annexation etc. but I'm not seeing that it's life or death that GP gets something right now vs 2 years down the track.
Can you point me to where I demanded immediate admin action here? Hell, I proposed it with the presupposition that it WON'T ever be implemented at the current development pace. And as Cormac said, we might as well get the discussion done because we've already been waiting years for anything to change so why not pass the time? This whole paragraph just reeks of finding something to complain about for no reason.