LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[Aellex]

"There was no child abuse, just neglect until he died"
Imagine this defense being used in any other context.

He was fed, clothed and had a roof over his head. That's more than a lot of his less fortunate """subjects""" had the chance to have.
To bad for him that his inbredness gave him a weak constitution but well, child mortality was high for everyone at that time.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Rationalism is for robots, not people.

"Hey, want to talk politics? Sure, first chop off half of yourself and shove it in a jar in the corner until we're done".

TIL that trying to think about things logically and factually is trying to be a robot.

[Loben]

"There was no child abuse, just neglect until he died"
Imagine this defense being used in any other context.

He was fed, clothed and had a roof over his head. That's more than a lot of his less fortunate """subjects""" had the chance to have.
To bad for him that his inbredness gave him a weak constitution but well, child mortality was high for everyone at that time.

was his prisoner cell at least clean?

[Aellex]

He was fed, clothed and had a roof over his head. That's more than a lot of his less fortunate """subjects""" had the chance to have.
To bad for him that his inbredness gave him a weak constitution but well, child mortality was high for everyone at that time.

was his prisoner cell at least clean?

He was essentially in a luxurious house arrest for a year, in a normal cell for six month and then in a more comfortable than average cell again until his death.
No melodrama there despite what our bleeding heart royalists would like you to make you believe as they play the world's smallest violin.

[Reikoku]

was his prisoner cell at least clean?

He was essentially in a luxurious house arrest for a year, in a normal cell for six month and then in a more comfortable than average cell again until his death.
No melodrama there despite what our bleeding heart royalists would like you to make you believe as they play the world's smallest violin.

Press F to pay respects for poor pampered aristocrats who had to endure being treated like everyone else.

I'm aware of the irony of this with my current flag.

[Minzerland II]

"There was no child abuse, just neglect until he died"
Imagine this defense being used in any other context.

He was fed, clothed and had a roof over his head. That's more than a lot of his less fortunate """subjects""" had the chance to have.
To bad for him that his inbredness gave him a weak constitution but well, child mortality was high for everyone at that time.

I don’t know how someone could be so insensitive and dismissive about a child’s death, even if he was a child of a hated King.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

He was essentially in a luxurious house arrest for a year, in a normal cell for six month and then in a more comfortable than average cell again until his death.
No melodrama there despite what our bleeding heart royalists would like you to make you believe as they play the world's smallest violin.

Press F to pay respects for poor pampered aristocrats who had to endure being treated like everyone else.

I'm aware of the irony of this with my current flag.

Everybody else was in prison? Gee, I didn't know the reign of terror was that bad.

[Loben]

was his prisoner cell at least clean?

He was essentially in a luxurious house arrest for a year, in a normal cell for six month and then in a more comfortable than average cell again until his death.
No melodrama there despite what our bleeding heart royalists would like you to make you believe as they play the world's smallest violin.

you seem think i care about the child of PAPIST MONARCHS.

[Aellex]

I don’t know how someone could be so insensitive and dismissive about a child’s death, even if it was a child of a hated King.

Is that being dismissive? Not really no. He was put in jail because he was a threat to the nation, he was weak and died of natural causes there, that's all there is to it.
There were thousands of sons of bakers, farmers and craftsmen who met the same fate every year at the same period and yet I'm not seeing you shed a tear over every one of them.

What was the cause of his death was the refusal of his father to recognize the rest of the inhabitants of his country as humans not naturaly inferior to him because they weren't "born right" like he was and his attempt at continuing to enforce that state of affair.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I don’t know how someone could be so insensitive and dismissive about a child’s death, even if it was a child of a hated King.

Is that being dismissive? Not really no. He was put in jail because he was a threat to the nation, he was weak and died of natural causes there, that's all there is to it.
There were thousands of sons of bakers, farmers and craftsmen who met the same fate every year at the same period and yet I'm not seeing you shed a tear over every one of them.

What was the cause of his death was the refusal of his father to recognize the rest of the inhabitants of his country as humans not naturaly inferior to him because they weren't "born right" like he was and his attempt at continuing to enforce that state of affair.

Not a sufficient reason to put someone in prison.

[Minzerland II]

I don’t know how someone could be so insensitive and dismissive about a child’s death, even if it was a child of a hated King.

Is that being dismissive? Not really no. He was put in jail because he was a threat to the nation, he was weak and died of natural causes there, that's all there is to it.
There were thousands of sons of bakers, farmers and craftsmen who met the same fate every year at the same period and yet I'm not seeing you shed a tear over every one of them.

Because they aren’t being discussed. Death is horrible, and all death ought to be mourned, but the death of the son’s bakers, farmers and craftsmen doesn’t excuse your apparent hatred for the child because he was of the Nobility. You say, ‘Toooooooooo bad for him that he was inbred’, and I can only interpret that as crass hate.

What was the cause of his death was the refusal of his father to recognize the rest of the inhabitants of his country as humans not naturaly inferior to him because they weren't "born right" like he was and his attempt at continuing to enforce that state of affair.

No, the cause of his death was the neglect of his health by revolutionaries.

[Minzerland II]

He was essentially in a luxurious house arrest for a year, in a normal cell for six month and then in a more comfortable than average cell again until his death.
No melodrama there despite what our bleeding heart royalists would like you to make you believe as they play the world's smallest violin.

Press F to pay respects for poor pampered aristocrats who had to endure being treated like everyone else.

I'm aware of the irony of this with my current flag.

You like to lambast the RWDT, but this is pretty heartless.

[Frievolk]

Press F to pay respects for poor pampered aristocrats who had to endure being treated like everyone else.

I'm aware of the irony of this with my current flag.

Everybody else was in prison? Gee, I didn't know the reign of terror was that bad.

Not that bad. Not that much imprisonment to be honest. They were mostly executed by lynch mobs or the governmental equivalent of lynch mobs instead.

[Reikoku]

Press F to pay respects for poor pampered aristocrats who had to endure being treated like everyone else.

I'm aware of the irony of this with my current flag.

You like to lambast the RWDT, but this is pretty heartless.

Yes, yes. I find the selective outrage of one single person dying in prison ridiculous, now that means I'm no better than your little clique which violently masturbates to thoughts of ethnically cleansing Palestine of the Jews and "Muhammedians."

[FelrikTheDeleted]

You like to lambast the RWDT, but this is pretty heartless.

Yes, yes. I find the selective outrage of one single person dying in prison ridiculous, now that means I'm no better than your little clique which violently masturbates to thoughts of ethnically cleansing Palestine of the Jews and "Muhammedians."

Perhaps that would be the thought process of Minzerland were he in that kind of clique, which he isn’t.

[Minzerland II]

You like to lambast the RWDT, but this is pretty heartless.

Yes, yes. I find the selective outrage of one single person dying in prison ridiculous, now that means I'm no better than your little clique which violently masturbates to thoughts of ethnically cleansing Palestine of the Jews and "Muhammedians."

Mmmm, no. Though the fact that you don’t deny finding his death and neglect acceptable is no surprise to me, as treating children ‘like everyone else’ in your world view is their murder in a clinic.

Fortunately, the same cannot be said for Aellex, who has a functioning morality.

[Kubra]

Is that being dismissive? Not really no. He was put in jail because he was a threat to the nation, he was weak and died of natural causes there, that's all there is to it.
There were thousands of sons of bakers, farmers and craftsmen who met the same fate every year at the same period and yet I'm not seeing you shed a tear over every one of them.

Because they aren’t being discussed. Death is horrible, and all death ought to be mourned, but the death of the son’s bakers, farmers and craftsmen doesn’t excuse your apparent hatred for the child because he was of the Nobility. You say, ‘Toooooooooo bad for him that he was inbred’, and I can only interpret that as crass hate.

What was the cause of his death was the refusal of his father to recognize the rest of the inhabitants of his country as humans not naturaly inferior to him because they weren't "born right" like he was and his attempt at continuing to enforce that state of affair.

No, the cause of his death was the neglect of his health by revolutionaries.

Death was kind of par for the course in the period. A lot of folks died. Quite a few. What's one little monarch, but another casualty of a rather difficult time?
In any case, it's a sign of progressing times that he wasn't simply executed outright. Rough, but that's dynastic politics, and even a new republic has to consider the rules of that game.

[Salus Maior]

You like to lambast the RWDT, but this is pretty heartless.

Yes, yes. I find the selective outrage of one single person dying in prison ridiculous, now that means I'm no better than your little clique which violently masturbates to thoughts of ethnically cleansing Palestine of the Jews and "Muhammedians."

What clique? Or is your imagination acting up again?

[Aellex]

Because they aren’t being discussed. Death is horrible, and all death ought to be mourned, but the death of the son’s bakers, farmers and craftsmen doesn’t excuse your apparent hatred for the child because he was of the Nobility. You say, ‘Toooooooooo bad for him that he was inbred’, and I can only interpret that as crass hate.

Again, it's not so much hate as relativisation of his condition. He wasn't killed purposefully; that much I wouldn't have defended because for all my contempt for the Royalty of that time, I'd still rather not have kids being killed for the sins of their fathers; but rather just died because his health wasn't good enough.

Call it cold if you want but I find it hard to shed much tear for the plight of a boy who ended up in prison because he and his family thought that just because they had given themselves the pain to be born, they deserved to rule over me and my compatriots and see us and our country as their property.

No, the cause of his death was the neglect of his health by revolutionaries.

One children out of two died before the age of ten at that time but most of them hadn't the chance to enjoy luxurious living conditions and their own personal doctors unlike him. Tuberculosis was a sad way to go but not one that was caused by anyone.

Once more, the prison he had to reside in was still a better place for a kid to live than most villages in the Nation were.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I’ve heard a line 100 times
“With how easy it is to get an abortion now, women will just not care about pregnancy and get an abortion”
This always sounded silly to me. I’ve spent the past two months helping my dear sister through the process. It ends today. And it was so expensive, so painful, so emotionally and physically draining, that I now refuse to believe anyone thinks that way

[Aellex]

Not a sufficient reason to put someone in prison.

Lmao, yes. In case you don't remember, his daddy was a traitor to the fatherland who called all the neighboring countries to declare war on the nation he was allegedly the king of to put him back into power and, now that he had gotten shortened by a head's length, it was his son who was the new so-called monarch and the target of the war.

Locking him away was the very minimum thing to do, the Soviets one century later preferred to be even more expeditive with the heirs of the old Tsar.

[Reikoku]

Though the fact that you don’t deny finding his death and neglect acceptable is no surprise to me, as treating children ‘like everyone else’ in your world view is their murder in a clinic.

Aellex disputed the common line that the prince was "murdered," or even that he was "neglected" pretty well.

Is... is "their murder in a clinic" supposed to be a knock on my stance as pro-choice?

Fortunately, the same cannot be said for Aellex, who has a functioning morality.

> implying that those who are pro-choice have no "functional morality" because of their stance.

And people wonder why the hell that this happens.

[Communist Xomaniax]

If apologists are gonna piss themselves over some little princeling getting a close shave perhaps they should remember that if monarchism makes every royal's child, especially one in line to inherit, an equal part of that regime. Blame the royals for hiding behind their kids.

[Frievolk]

If apologists are gonna piss themselves over some little princeling getting a close shave perhaps they should remember that if monarchism makes every royal's child, especially one in line to inherit, an equal part of that regime. Blame the royals for hiding behind their kids.

Bold of you to suggest that some of us don't also support Monarchy as a superior form of government. I mean, "the basic common decency of not murdering Children" aside (which most people adhering to any ideology don't seem to care about in specific situations)

[Western Vale Confederacy]

If apologists are gonna piss themselves over some little princeling getting a close shave perhaps they should remember that if monarchism makes every royal's child, especially one in line to inherit, an equal part of that regime. Blame the royals for hiding behind their kids.

"Killing children is justified as long as it's the ruling class!"

Jee, because yeeting the King's head off wasn't enough, you wanted to separate everyone's heads from their bodies.

Just force the remaining royal members to abide to a pact of completely staying out of politics.