US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Thermodolia]

Why?

He was trying to fix it on his own, and only drove it up because of the 2008 recession. It was either more debt or complete collapse.

Obama added under a trillion of debt to the National debt. However he had created a 6 trillion deficit, which is not the same as debt, by the time he left office.

Please keep lying about how he didn’t ad to the deficit or cut it

[Valrifell]

Nuh uh, you. Is not a response.

Me and Val are both independents who would love nothing more than to fire the republicans and democrats out of a cannon into the sun

It's far more useful to infiltrate their ranks and manipulate them for your own ideological ends. Like what the Trump wing is doing now or what SocDems are trying to do to Dems.

[Mystic Warriors]

That's what he is doing. Just saying every economist and acting like that is enough. Proof is actually data backing up your claims. Not just saying well economists. So again, what proof?

The economists are the people that study economics! They're the one's that read the statistics. Tell me, why do you think they've magically come to the assumption that rent control is bad? Because it is! Rent controls exasperate housing shortages. Economists near unanimously despise rent controls because they almost always result in poor decaying housing, abandoned neighborhoods, and declines in housing constructions. Would you like me to explain the economic forces behind this? Would you like me to source (more) economists on this, or are you just going to keep going "No! No! No!" and further demonstrate the absurdity and idiocy of the pro-rent control crowd?

I know what an economist is......I was asking you to defend your claims and give actual proof. Which for pages you refused to do. Nobody should have to ask you 50 times for you to defend your statements.

[Mystic Warriors]

He was trying to fix it on his own, and only drove it up because of the 2008 recession. It was either more debt or complete collapse.

Obama added under a trillion of debt to the National debt. However he had created a 6 trillion deficit, which is not the same as debt, by the time he left office.

Please keep lying about how he didn’t ad to the deficit or cut it

I never said he didn't.

[Thermodolia]

The deficit and the debt are not the same thing. Obama added to the debt that is a fact. Like I said slowing the train down by 5mph doesn’t help when it’s still going 550mph into a 5 mile thick concrete wall.

According to WaPo Obama added just under a trillion to the debt

Obama had a deficit of $6.786 trillion in total during his entire presidency

Take the damn blinders off

You need to take the blinders off and read what I am saying. Did i ever he didn't add to them? NO. And deficit adds to the debt.

Then what are these? And who wrote them?

Because they didn’t want to make Obama look bad. Same reason why republicans didn’t make a peep under Trump or Bush. Because a political party and it’s partisan hacks aren’t going to attack their own leadership

The debt went up because of the 2008 recession and Obama started to bring the deficit down after that. It wasn't going to normalize right away, after almost a decade of it.

And yet the democrats didn’t give a shit about the debt under Obama but they wouldn’t shut up about it under Bush and Trump

Stop passing the buck. And that is a lie. They did care under Obama, the circumstances were different and he brought the deficit down on his own.

When are you going to stop lying?

[Valgora]

Me and Val are both independents who would love nothing more than to fire the republicans and democrats out of a cannon into the sun

It's far more useful to infiltrate their ranks and manipulate them for your own ideological ends. Like what the Trump wing is doing now or what SocDems are trying to do to Dems.

No... it ain't more useful for me to infiltrate the ranks of the Democrats.
Mostly out of difficulty of being able to do that.

Also, (modern) Social Democrats are basically nothing more than Democrats who are slightly more to the left.

[Hakons]

Just from one city:

"Rent control has destroyed entire sections of sound housing in New York’s South Bronx and has led to decay and abandonment throughout the entire five boroughs of the city. Although hard statistics on abandonments are not available, William Tucker estimates that about 30,000 New York apartments were abandoned annually from 1972 to 1982, a loss of almost a third of a million units in this eleven-year period. Thanks to rent control, and to potential investors’ all-too-rational fear that rent control will become even more stringent, no sensible investor will build rental housing unsubsidized by government." https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/RentControl.html

Keep plugging your ears, I suppose. I'm not aware of Canada of controlling rent very much.

Finally

"Finally"? Maybe my one semester of high school economics gave me leaps and bounds of more knowledge on economics than the average person, but surely I'm not the only one seeing Mystic ignoring obvious economic truths? If this were biology, it would be like "finally" providing evidence for evolution.

[Mystic Warriors]

You need to take the blinders off and read what I am saying. Did i ever he didn't add to them? NO. And deficit adds to the debt.

Then what are these? And who wrote them?

The debt went up because of the 2008 recession and Obama started to bring the deficit down after that. It wasn't going to normalize right away, after almost a decade of it.

Stop passing the buck. And that is a lie. They did care under Obama, the circumstances were different and he brought the deficit down on his own.

When are you going to stop lying?

What lie? You seem confused, the deficit was lower when he left compared to his first year. So saying he brought it down is not a lie. Get your mind straight

[Hakons]

The economists are the people that study economics! They're the one's that read the statistics. Tell me, why do you think they've magically come to the assumption that rent control is bad? Because it is! Rent controls exasperate housing shortages. Economists near unanimously despise rent controls because they almost always result in poor decaying housing, abandoned neighborhoods, and declines in housing constructions. Would you like me to explain the economic forces behind this? Would you like me to source (more) economists on this, or are you just going to keep going "No! No! No!" and further demonstrate the absurdity and idiocy of the pro-rent control crowd?

I know what an economist is......I was asking you to defend your claims and give actual proof. Which for pages you refused to do. Nobody should have to ask you 50 times for you to defend your statements.

Professional opinions are actual proof. I think you asked three times to provide (more) evidence. I'm sorrow, oh master, that I don't take time out of my day to obey your every wish.

[Mystic Warriors]

Finally

"Finally"? Maybe my one semester of high school economics gave me leaps and bounds of more knowledge on economics than the average person, but surely I'm not the only one seeing Mystic ignoring obvious economic truths? If this were biology, it would be like "finally" providing evidence for evolution.

One semester. You still need to provide these truths. Saying every economist isnt an obvious truth, it's just a blind statement.

[Conserative Morality]

"Finally"? Maybe my one semester of high school economics gave me leaps and bounds of more knowledge on economics than the average person, but surely I'm not the only one seeing Mystic ignoring obvious economic truths? If this were biology, it would be like "finally" providing evidence for evolution.

Unironically, it probably does. Most people have very little understanding of economics and most high schools don't even offer such courses.

[Conserative Morality]

One semester. You still need to provide these truths. Saying every economist isnt an obvious truth, it's just a blind statement.

m8, you're only embarrassing yourself.

[Hakons]

Then what are these? And who wrote them?




When are you going to stop lying?

What lie? You seem confused, the deficit was lower when he left compared to his first year. So saying he brought it down is not a lie. Get your mind straight

Obama didn't lower the deficit, Congress did. The president doesn't control spending.

[Mystic Warriors]

I know what an economist is......I was asking you to defend your claims and give actual proof. Which for pages you refused to do. Nobody should have to ask you 50 times for you to defend your statements.

Professional opinions are actual proof. I think you asked three times to provide (more) evidence. I'm sorrow, oh master, that I don't take time out of my day to obey your every wish.

So you dont think you have to provide proof, I should just take your word for it? Go play that game elsewhere, dont make the claim unless you plan on fully defending it.

[Conserative Morality]

Obama didn't lower the deficit, Congress did. The president doesn't control spending.

Let's not pretend the president doesn't affect spending.

[Mystic Warriors]

One semester. You still need to provide these truths. Saying every economist isnt an obvious truth, it's just a blind statement.

m8, you're only embarrassing yourself.

By asking for proof of a statement made?

[Thermodolia]

Then what are these? And who wrote them?




When are you going to stop lying?

What lie? You seem confused, the deficit was lower when he left compared to his first year. So saying he brought it down is not a lie. Get your mind straight

The deficit is not the same as the goddamn debt. Get that through your head. The deficit is the amount we overspend per year. Bringing down the deficit doesn’t mean that you didn’t add anything to the debt or that you brought down debt.

Also you can’t look at the last years of a president’s term as proof that they brought down the deficit, which if you had actually read any of the articles I posted you would have noticed that he added a total of 6 trillion to the deficit.

If we remember from Elementary school adding is the opposite of subtracting.

Here’s another article you won’t read because it hurts your idea of precious https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s- ... it-3305783

[Mystic Warriors]

Obama didn't lower the deficit, Congress did. The president doesn't control spending.

Let's not pretend the president doesn't affect spending.

Or make his own budget.

[Thermodolia]

What lie? You seem confused, the deficit was lower when he left compared to his first year. So saying he brought it down is not a lie. Get your mind straight

Obama didn't lower the deficit, Congress did. The president doesn't control spending.

Neither of them did. And technically it was Obama who cut shit with the mandatory cuts that he implemented because congress couldn’t get its head out of its ass

[Conserative Morality]

The debt went up because of the 2008 recession and Obama started to bring the deficit down after that. It wasn't going to normalize right away, after almost a decade of it.

The deficit and the debt are not the same thing. Obama added to the debt that is a fact. Like I said slowing the train down by 5mph doesn’t help when it’s still going 550mph into a 5 mile thick concrete wall.

According to WaPo Obama added just under a trillion to the debt

Obama had a deficit of $6.786 trillion in total during his entire presidency

Take the damn blinders off

Ah yes, the "Obaba, he who robes us daily, wasn't the messiah therefore he was AWFUL"

Sorry that slowing the train down isn't the same as throwing the brakes and derailing the whole damn thing. I'm also sorry that reducing the deficit to a third of what it was at the start of his term wasn't enough for you.

Obama added under a trillion of debt to the National debt. However he had created a 6 trillion deficit, which is not the same as debt, by the time he left office.

Please keep lying about how he didn’t ad to the deficit or cut it

:thonk:

[Hakons]

"Finally"? Maybe my one semester of high school economics gave me leaps and bounds of more knowledge on economics than the average person, but surely I'm not the only one seeing Mystic ignoring obvious economic truths? If this were biology, it would be like "finally" providing evidence for evolution.

One semester. You still need to provide these truths. Saying every economist isnt an obvious truth, it's just a blind statement.

Yes, it's a pitiful amount (I made that abundantly clear with the italics). Now, considering it's a pitiful amount, what does that say about your knowledge of economics?

Professional opinions are actual proof. I think you asked three times to provide (more) evidence. I'm sorrow, oh master, that I don't take time out of my day to obey your every wish.

So you dont think you have to provide proof, I should just take your word for it? Go play that game elsewhere, dont make the claim unless you plan on fully defending it.

I... did provide proof (and you promptly ignored it).

Now that you know some more about rent controls, do you still support them?

[Mystic Warriors]

What lie? You seem confused, the deficit was lower when he left compared to his first year. So saying he brought it down is not a lie. Get your mind straight

The deficit is not the same as the goddamn debt. Get that through your head. The deficit is the amount we overspend per year. Bringing down the deficit doesn’t mean that you didn’t add anything to the debt or that you brought down debt.

Also you can’t look at the last years of a president’s term as proof that they brought down the deficit, which if you had actually read any of the articles I posted you would have noticed that he added a total of 6 trillion to the deficit.

If we remember from Elementary school adding is the opposite of subtracting.

Here’s another article you won’t read because it hurts your idea of precious https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s- ... it-3305783

For the last time... I never said he didn't add to them, I never said he didn't add to the deficit. I said he brought the deficit down from when he started. Which was overc1 trillion, he brought that down.

He added 6 trillion to the debt, the deficit never got that high. Do you even know what you are talking about?

[Conserative Morality]

By asking for proof of a statement made?

As has been pointed out, you're arguing something that a 101 Econ class would point out is blatantly wrong. This is on the same level of goldbuggery, or other Austrian canards, only approached from the other side.

[Thermodolia]

The deficit and the debt are not the same thing. Obama added to the debt that is a fact. Like I said slowing the train down by 5mph doesn’t help when it’s still going 550mph into a 5 mile thick concrete wall.

According to WaPo Obama added just under a trillion to the debt

Obama had a deficit of $6.786 trillion in total during his entire presidency

Take the damn blinders off

Ah yes, the "Obaba, he who robes us daily, wasn't the messiah therefore he was AWFUL"

Obama wasn’t awful but he wasn’t the greatest either. He was better than Trump though then again anything could be better than Trump.

Sorry that slowing the train down isn't the same as throwing the brakes and derailing the whole damn thing. I'm also sorry that reducing the deficit to a third of what it was at the start of his term wasn't enough for you.

Slowing the train down by just 5mph doesn’t help. He should have done a lot more. You don’t have to throw the damn breaks to make a fucking difference.

Obama added under a trillion of debt to the National debt. However he had created a 6 trillion deficit, which is not the same as debt, by the time he left office.

Please keep lying about how he didn’t ad to the deficit or cut it

:thonk:

You have something to add?

[Hakons]

Obama didn't lower the deficit, Congress did. The president doesn't control spending.

Let's not pretend the president doesn't affect spending.

Certainly, but it's mainly a congressional matter.

Let's not pretend the president doesn't affect spending.

Or make his own budget.

Now you're making my one semester high school government class teacher cry too