US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Valrifell]

Still annoying. I want this over. At least sinema is leading again in Arizona.

Sinema is a socialist who doesn't care if we join the Taliban, can't believe people still like such a vile woman, but in the end its the voters who decide, and I won't run outside my house screeching and protesting.

vut

[Mystic Warriors]

Has the burning cross been removed?


Seriously, I want prop 10 so we can get rent control.

Rent control is absolutely idiotic.

What is a rent control?
Rent regulation is a system of laws, administered by a court or a public authority, which aim to ensure the affordability of housing and tenancies on the rental market for dwellings. ... price controls (limits on the rent that a landlord may charge, typically called rent control or rent stabilization

Yeah, who needs affordable housing?

[Outer Sparta]

Still annoying. I want this over. At least sinema is leading again in Arizona.

Sinema is a socialist who doesn't care if we join the Taliban, can't believe people still like such a vile woman, but in the end its the voters who decide, and I won't run outside my house screeching and protesting.

Sinema socialist
actually a pretty moderate representative

[Mystic Warriors]

Still annoying. I want this over. At least sinema is leading again in Arizona.

Sinema is a socialist who doesn't care if we join the Taliban, can't believe people still like such a vile woman, but in the end its the voters who decide, and I won't run outside my house screeching and protesting.

Socialist used as a scare tactic is so 1950s. Get up to date.

[Outer Sparta]

Sinema is a socialist who doesn't care if we join the Taliban, can't believe people still like such a vile woman, but in the end its the voters who decide, and I won't run outside my house screeching and protesting.

Socialist used as a scare tactic is so 1950s. Get up to date.

Well at least the word "Venezuela" wasn't mentioned (but that's reserved for Andrew Gillum and any Florida Democrats).

[Mystic Warriors]

Socialist used as a scare tactic is so 1950s. Get up to date.

Well at least the word "Venezuela" wasn't mentioned (but that's reserved for Andrew Gillum and any Florida Democrats).

That is very annoying. Venezuela isn't even socialist.

[Northern Davincia]

Rent control is absolutely idiotic.

What is a rent control?
Rent regulation is a system of laws, administered by a court or a public authority, which aim to ensure the affordability of housing and tenancies on the rental market for dwellings. ... price controls (limits on the rent that a landlord may charge, typically called rent control or rent stabilization

Yeah, who needs affordable housing?

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/rent-c ... ood-policy
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/07/opin ... ffair.html

For the love of Azathoth, listen to economists.

[Outer Sparta]

Well at least the word "Venezuela" wasn't mentioned (but that's reserved for Andrew Gillum and any Florida Democrats).

That is very annoying. Venezuela isn't even socialist.

I know. Venezuela is an authoritarian regime with an incompetent leader. But the GOP will still use that to try to rile up voters who aren't particularly well-informed about socialism and stuff like that.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That is very annoying. Venezuela isn't even socialist.

I know. Venezuela is an authoritarian regime with an incompetent leader. But the GOP will still use that to try to rile up voters who aren't particularly well-informed about socialism and stuff like that.

Lets be real, there's about 10,000 people in the US who are actually well informed about socialism lol.

For fucks sake people unironically think Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez are socialists.

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm surprised people think California is declining but its economic wellbeing attracts more people. High rent may drive out other people for sure.

Mostly conservatives who think that, feeling obligated to crap on anything liberal

We hashed this out a while ago with someone else splitting hairs about California migration, where by just people moving we're losing like, less than a percent or some shit. Of course it's because we're commie bastards whatever, taxes...the reality was really kind of easy to understand. Most of the people leaving make less than $55,000 and most of the people coming in make $200,000 or more. People who can afford housing are moving in, people who can't are moving out. I was literally thinking about this earlier, I think there's a whistling past the graveyard element, like our tax base grows, we could lose two lower income residents for one high income one (not really how it works but whatever) and come out ahead, except you can't have a state without poor people. I mean, you can, but not in a capitalist system, for all the derision for the job, someone has to make burgers and clean hotel rooms...basically make these cities function. Either we start paying them more or make the cost of living more affordable or do both. Which is kind of happening. The minimum wage is going up in effected areas like LA and San Francisco, prop 10 ends the ban on rent control. We'll see. Brown spent most of his time pulling up from Schwarzenegger, we'll see what Newsom does. What the fuck were we talking about?

[San Lumen]

Still annoying. I want this over. At least sinema is leading again in Arizona.

Sinema is a socialist who doesn't care if we join the Taliban, can't believe people still like such a vile woman, but in the end its the voters who decide, and I won't run outside my house screeching and protesting.

Utter rubbish

[Corrian]

I would love to wake up to a split senate or even 51 dems on Wednesday (that shit is going late and the winner will still be the winner in the morning, I’m goin to bed), but I don’t really have anything to base that on but wishful thinking. I can’t say how predictive these special elections are.

I mean, I don't have anything to base it on either except vague memories of reading stuff about pollsters "correcting" themselves and me arguing that could mean underestimating Dems in the future. The status quo or GOP+1 is most probably what we're looking at.

I doubt the pollsters overcorrected in most cases outside the Southwest. If my remembrance of how the pollsters do their thing works, they tend to badly underrepresent certain communities in such a way as I suspect they're underperforming Democrats in the Southwest, and underperforming Republicans in the Rustbelt.

Take this as speculation on my part. I'm not too well versed on how pollsters poll, but it does make sense that they'd do different things for different states/regions. Although I am still concerned that a lot of them over did it after the backlash in 2016.

Apparently like 67% of "close" races usually break for one party and I kind of have my doubts that statistic is going to favor Republicans this time around.

[Great Basin (Ancient)]

That is very annoying. Venezuela isn't even socialist.

I know. Venezuela is an authoritarian regime with an incompetent leader. But the GOP will still use that to try to rile up voters who aren't particularly well-informed about socialism and stuff like that.

All Bernie Sanders and other politicians of his mold need to do is stop calling themselves "socialist." I mean, what's wrong with terming themselves progressives or social Democrats (of the Western European variety)? That's what they are. We're just asking for pain where we don't need it.

[Corrian]

Yeah, who needs affordable housing?

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/rent-c ... ood-policy
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/07/opin ... ffair.html

For the love of Azathoth, listen to economists.

Do you listen to economists? Because I'm pretty sure they've debunked libertarianism countless times.

[Northern Davincia]

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/rent-c ... ood-policy
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/07/opin ... ffair.html

For the love of Azathoth, listen to economists.

Do you listen to economists? Because I'm pretty sure they've debunked libertarianism countless times.

Amazingly, economists are fairly united against rent control and the minimum wage.

[Mystic Warriors]

Do you listen to economists? Because I'm pretty sure they've debunked libertarianism countless times.

Amazingly, economists are fairly united against rent control and the minimum wage.

Oh teh noes!!!! The economists hate it. Do these happen to be conservatives?

[Mystic Warriors]

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/rent-c ... ood-policy
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/07/opin ... ffair.html

For the love of Azathoth, listen to economists.

Do you listen to economists? Because I'm pretty sure they've debunked libertarianism countless times.

Only listen when they agree with your pre conceived biases. Ignore them when they don't.

[Mystic Warriors]

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/31/politi ... cnn.com%2F


Trump is a racist. Vote the GOP out.

[Trumptonium1]

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/31/politics/donald-trump-immigration-paul-ryan-midterms/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F


Trump is a racist. Vote the GOP out.

Do you have a more reputable source?

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https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/31/politics/donald-trump-immigration-paul-ryan-midterms/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F


Trump is a racist. Vote the GOP out.

Do you have a more reputable source?

It's about a racist ad that Trump ran. You can ignore CNN's commentary and simply watch the ad, unless you think CNN made up an imaginary ad to make Trump look bad, which would be really, really stupid.

[Vassenor]

Do you have a more reputable source?

It's about a racist ad that Trump ran. You can ignore CNN's commentary and simply watch the ad, unless you think CNN made up an imaginary ad to make Trump look bad, which would be really, really stupid.

Anything that makes Trump look bad is lies by default.

[Trumptonium1]

Do you have a more reputable source?

It's about a racist ad that Trump ran. You can ignore CNN's commentary and simply watch the ad, unless you think CNN made up an imaginary ad to make Trump look bad, which would be really, really stupid.

I watched the ad on Twitter and I see no racism. First of all Mexicans aren't a race. Second of all the issue is legitimate. Third of all how can facts be racist?

He's not saying all mestizos are inferior or murderers. He's literally showing a video of Democrats letting in (or wanting to let in) people who admit by themselves they are murderers. How many more would Democrats like to let in?

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It's about a racist ad that Trump ran. You can ignore CNN's commentary and simply watch the ad, unless you think CNN made up an imaginary ad to make Trump look bad, which would be really, really stupid.

I watched the ad on Twitter and I see no racism. First of all Mexicans aren't a race. Second of all the issue is legitimate. Third of all how can facts be racist?

He's not saying all mestizos are inferior or murderers. He's literally showing a video of Democrats letting in (or wanting to let in) people who admit by themselves they are murderers. How many more would Democrats like to let in?

First of all, this ad uses utterly ridiculous doublethink, claiming the man who killed those cops was illegal but also that was he "let in" by Democrats? Which one is it? If he was here illegally, then no one "let him in", if he was "let in" then he would have had legal status.

The claim that Democrats let him in is also ridiculous. Which fucking Democrats? Congressional ones? Nope. The Dems in California? Nope. The Dems in the city? Nope. Politicians don't let anyone come in or keep anyone out. That's on border patrol and the courts. Such a claim would be like saying that Republicans let al-Queda in in 2001, as if there was someone saying "yes, I am letting you through, I'm giving you permission to be here."

The caravan of Honduran refugees has nothing to do with that guy, and the one guy who supposedly said he was seeking a pardon for attempted murder, there is absolutely no context to this situation at all.

This ad appeals to the lowest common denominator. It's only effective on people who don't think about it.

[Vassenor]

I watched the ad on Twitter and I see no racism. First of all Mexicans aren't a race. Second of all the issue is legitimate. Third of all how can facts be racist?

He's not saying all mestizos are inferior or murderers. He's literally showing a video of Democrats letting in (or wanting to let in) people who admit by themselves they are murderers. How many more would Democrats like to let in?

First of all, this ad uses utterly ridiculous doublethink, claiming the man who killed those cops was illegal but also that was he "let in" by Democrats? Which one is it? If he was here illegally, then no one "let him in", if he was "let in" then he would have had legal status.

The claim that Democrats let him in is also ridiculous. Which fucking Democrats? Congressional ones? Nope. The Dems in California? Nope. The Dems in the city? Nope. Politicians don't let anyone come in or keep anyone out. That's on border patrol and the courts. Such a claim would be like saying that Republicans let al-Queda in in 2001, as if there was someone saying "yes, I am letting you through, I'm giving you permission to be here."

The caravan of Honduran refugees has nothing to do with that guy, and the one guy who supposedly said he was seeking a pardon for attempted murder, there is absolutely no context to this situation at all.

This ad appeals to the lowest common denominator. It's only effective on people who don't think about it.

But someone said it was factual so it cannot possibly in any way shape or form be racist because they said so.

[Valrifell]

I mean, I don't have anything to base it on either except vague memories of reading stuff about pollsters "correcting" themselves and me arguing that could mean underestimating Dems in the future. The status quo or GOP+1 is most probably what we're looking at.



Take this as speculation on my part. I'm not too well versed on how pollsters poll, but it does make sense that they'd do different things for different states/regions. Although I am still concerned that a lot of them over did it after the backlash in 2016.

Apparently like 67% of "close" races usually break for one party and I kind of have my doubts that statistic is going to favor Republicans this time around.

I mean, that's what it seems like. We've seen the polls break way in favor of the Dems in several states these past few days. AZ, NV, IN, FL, etc. Hell, a recent poll even said that Cruz's lead was down.