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by Idzequitch » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:11 pm
by Lower Nubia » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:30 pm
Salus Maior wrote:https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/10/45846/ Pretty good article on the issues with the Catholic "Youth Synod".
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by Blanco-Campeon » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:14 pm
by Negarakita » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:56 pm
by Minzerland II » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:37 pm
Salus Maior wrote:https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/10/45846/ Pretty good article on the issues with the Catholic "Youth Synod".
St Anselm of Canterbury wrote:[…]who ever heard of anything having two mothers or two fathers? (Monologion, pg. 63)
by Kowani » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:05 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:Lutheran and Anglican churches often are more supportive of gender equality and LGBT rights compared to Roman Catholicism, and we also have many similar beliefs and liturgical practices. Also, may I ask what country you live in?
Better to choose a branch that adheres to scripture, rather than resort to cherry-picking.
Which leaves us with Orthodox and Catholicism.
by Negarakita » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:08 pm
by Kowani » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:17 pm
by Negarakita » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:25 pm
by Tarsonis » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:17 pm
by Salus Maior » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:49 pm
Blanco-Campeon wrote:Of course an African bishop is woke on the synod
by Lower Nubia » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:27 am
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by Hakons » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:38 am
by Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:58 pm
by Tarsonis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:04 pm
by The Archregimancy » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:09 pm
by Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:11 pm
by Diopolis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:12 pm
by Tarsonis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:19 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Lutherans have zero apostolic succession.
Anglicans forfeited apostolic succession when they broke from Rome.
The Church of Sweden has apostolic succession from the Swedish bishops who became Lutheran during the Reformation. Some Lutheran clergy also have apostolic succession through Anglican or Union of Utrecht bishops. Also, if Anglican bishops who broke from Rome forfeited apostolic succession, then wouldn't that mean that Eastern Orthodox bishops who broke communion with Rome would not have apostolic succession either?
by Tarsonis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:21 pm
Diopolis wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Lutherans have zero apostolic succession.
Anglicans forfeited apostolic succession when they broke from Rome.
Anglicans lost their apostolic succession sometime in the 16th-17th centuries- when the last bishop ordained under the pre-reformed rite died. Lutherans are generally in the same situation.
However, some Anglicans and Lutherans now have valid orders derived from a schismatic Catholic group in the Netherlands. Many of these orders have subsequently lost their validity because they used a woman as consecrator, but some still have valid orders.
by Tarsonis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:24 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Lutherans have zero apostolic succession.
Anglicans forfeited apostolic succession when they broke from Rome.
It perhaps would have been better for Bienenhalde to write 'Anglicans and some Lutherans claim to have apostolic succession though'.
I don't think we would dispute that the Anglican Church and some Lutheran jurisdictions lay claim to apostolic succession.
The catch is whether other, older, denominations that claim apostolic succession recognise the Anglican and Lutheran claims.
by The Archregimancy » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:25 pm
Bienenhalde wrote: that Eastern Orthodox bishops who broke communion with Rome would not have apostolic succession either?
by Tarsonis » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:27 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Bienenhalde wrote: that Eastern Orthodox bishops who broke communion with Rome would not have apostolic succession either?
Let's try and avoid dragging this one up again, and instead of arguing over who broke with whom first, try and agree that we broke with each other.
That's me trying to be conciliatory.
Historically, Cardinal Humbert's excommunication of Patriarch Michael in 1054 came four days before the Patriarch retaliated by excommunicating the Cardinal and his fellow legates.
by Lord Dominator » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:44 pm
Tarsonis wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
It perhaps would have been better for Bienenhalde to write 'Anglicans and some Lutherans claim to have apostolic succession though'.
I don't think we would dispute that the Anglican Church and some Lutheran jurisdictions lay claim to apostolic succession.
The catch is whether other, older, denominations that claim apostolic succession recognise the Anglican and Lutheran claims.
True but I mean, I can lay claim to the thrones of France and Scotland, but it’s not like those claims will be recognized by any validating authority.
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