Am I PNG?
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by Roavin » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:24 am
by Onder Kelkia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:34 am
Syberis wrote:That's very odd. Your queen told me I was not PNG last we spoke. Can I get a copy for my wall?
by Cormactopia Prime » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:36 am
Onder Kelkia wrote:You were declared persona non grata on 16 September. We don't normally issue announcements for such decisions. We just edit the relevant accounts.
by Syberis » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:37 am
Onder Kelkia wrote:Syberis wrote:That's very odd. Your queen told me I was not PNG last we spoke. Can I get a copy for my wall?
The Queen's re-collection is that she advised you that she didn't know whether you were PNG/banned, not that you weren't.
The decision occurred on 16 September following a brief discussion on what was, to be frank, a fairly minor/uncontroversial issue.
You can get a copy of the standard notice by logging into the forums.Roavin wrote:
Am I PNG?
Yes, since at least mid 2017, and you can see for yourself by logging into the Balder forums.
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by The Church of Satan » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:40 am
by Onder Kelkia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:46 am
Syberis wrote:So the queen was deliberately kept in the dark or..? Do you guys really not keep the individual who's most responsible for ingame security informed of who is and is not allowed to be in Balder?
Syberis wrote:I would like to see a discussion of the reasoning, at the very least. I assume that's not going to happen. But I suppose I can get that framed and mounted. Do you want me to send you a picture?
by Syberis » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:52 am
Onder Kelkia wrote:Syberis wrote:So the queen was deliberately kept in the dark or..? Do you guys really not keep the individual who's most responsible for ingame security informed of who is and is not allowed to be in Balder?
As she told you she didn't know whether you were PNG/banned, I imagine that she forgot what was frankly a very minor/uncontroversial decision, in the aftermath of your appalling tirades directed towards the Queen, Crown Prince and Statsminister of Balder in the NationStates Gameplay Discord server.
The Queen was informed in advance of the decision, before it was enacted, as is protocol.
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Onder Kelkia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:58 am
Syberis wrote:Onder Kelkia wrote:As she told you she didn't know whether you were PNG/banned, I imagine that she forgot what was frankly a very minor/uncontroversial decision, in the aftermath of your appalling tirades directed towards the Queen, Crown Prince and Statsminister of Balder in the NationStates Gameplay Discord server.
The Queen was informed in advance of the decision, before it was enacted, as is protocol.
Okay, so she lied. She did know, as you literally just said. Thanks, bro
by Syberis » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:00 am
Onder Kelkia wrote:Syberis wrote:
Okay, so she lied. She did know, as you literally just said. Thanks, bro
She didn't tell you that you weren't PNG, she told you, and I quote that she had "No idea if you were/are being banned". Your conversation with her occurred on 12 October, 4 weeks after the decision was taken on 16 September. It is overwhelmingly likely that she simply forgot the very brief discussion on it.
Your attempt to impugn the integrity of the Queen is baseless and entirely unnecessary.
In response to the Queen telling you she didn't know, if you wanted a definitive answer one way or the other, the correct thing to do would have been to contact the Statsminister: or more simply yet, log-in to your Balder forum account, where you could have availed yourself of an answer immediately.
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Onder Kelkia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:03 am
Syberis wrote:Onder Kelkia wrote:She didn't tell you that you weren't PNG, she told you, and I quote that she had "No idea if you were/are being banned". Your conversation with her occurred on 12 October, 4 weeks after the decision was taken on 16 September. It is overwhelmingly likely that she simply forgot the very brief discussion on it.
Your attempt to impugn the integrity of the Queen is baseless and entirely unnecessary.
In response to the Queen telling you she didn't know, if you wanted a definitive answer one way or the other, the correct thing to do would have been to contact the Statsminister: or more simply yet, log-in to your Balder forum account, where you could have availed yourself of an answer immediately.
Don't you still have me blocked on Discord?
by Altinsane » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:03 am
by Vulturret » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:15 am
Altinsane wrote:I wish someone would have told me that Balder was PNGing my Guardians earlier. I would have given up any pretenses of friendliness with Balder's Government a long time ago.
Altinsane wrote:All of my love and friendship to the citizens of Balder, who still hold out hope that their Queen will side with them and coup the LKE Government that keeps them from making changes or holding office in their own region. I wish them the best. You all have a happy home in Osiris when you get tired of being subjugated and pushed aside. Unfortunately, a Queen's empathy for your plight does not equal a Queen taking action to save you.
by Cormactopia Prime » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:21 am
by Onder Kelkia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:23 am
Altinsane wrote:I wish someone would have told me that Balder was PNGing my Guardians earlier. I would have given up any pretenses of friendliness with Balder's Government a long time ago.
Altinsane wrote:All of my love and friendship to the citizens of Balder, who still hold out hope that their Queen will side with them and coup the LKE Government that keeps them from making changes or holding office in their own region. I wish them the best. You all have a happy home in Osiris when you get tired of being subjugated and pushed aside. Unfortunately, a Queen's empathy for your plight does not equal a Queen taking action to save you.
Cormactopia Prime wrote:
That link requires a forum account, because Balder is hyper paranoid and unlike most other GCRs doesn't let guests see anything.
by Altinsane » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:36 am
Vulturret wrote:Altinsane wrote:I wish someone would have told me that Balder was PNGing my Guardians earlier. I would have given up any pretenses of friendliness with Balder's Government a long time ago.
Not to engage in this debate too much, as I do not want to derail Balder's embassy thread, it's worth noting that it isn't really that hard to find out who is persona non grata in Balder. This is easily accessible publicly on their regional forums, with the usergroup being found here. You could've easily looked for yourself.Altinsane wrote:All of my love and friendship to the citizens of Balder, who still hold out hope that their Queen will side with them and coup the LKE Government that keeps them from making changes or holding office in their own region. I wish them the best. You all have a happy home in Osiris when you get tired of being subjugated and pushed aside. Unfortunately, a Queen's empathy for your plight does not equal a Queen taking action to save you.
It's also probably worth noting that the Sorting, which in turn recommends the Statsminister's appointment to the Queen, is democratically elected by the citizenry of Balder. Citizens of Balder have numerous reasons to be happy with their current government, but if they weren't, they could just vote them out of office during the general elections.
by Cormactopia Prime » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:39 am
by Onder Kelkia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:00 am
Altinsane wrote:What if some of the PNG people don't have forum accounts, what do I do then? That's a ridiculous suggestion. For it to be expected of anyone to individually go and check everyone's members lists just in case they've been secretly PNGd is silly to even consider.
Altinsane wrote:On the democratically elected government of Balder, I hear regularly from the mouths of Balder citizens themselves that LKE stampedes their place in the region by migration and voter importation and that even the most popular and useful among them are barely making it into office by the skin of their teeth because LKE votes itself into government.
Altinsane wrote:Who are we, outside of the region, to take the voice of its citizenry into consideration when the head of their government, Emperor Emeritus of the LKE, says differently.
by Altinsane » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:25 am
by Syberis » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:33 am
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Cormactopia Prime » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:40 am
by Th Empire of Wymondham » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:48 am
by Th Empire of Wymondham » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:54 am
Th empire of wymondham wrote:I am delighted to hear of this development and look forward to the return of normality in Lazarus I am also saddened by Balder and OnderKelkia's insistence at sitting idly by and assisting as foreign subversives attempt to gain a stranglehold over Lazarus to the detriment of its natives and community
by Syberis » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:56 am
Th empire of wymondham wrote:I have just received a message from Onder on discord that the reason for my PNG as this post, despite the fact it was posted 5 months before my PNGTh empire of wymondham wrote:I am delighted to hear of this development and look forward to the return of normality in Lazarus I am also saddened by Balder and OnderKelkia's insistence at sitting idly by and assisting as foreign subversives attempt to gain a stranglehold over Lazarus to the detriment of its natives and community
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Cormactopia Prime » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:57 am
by Th Empire of Wymondham » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:08 pm
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