US Midterm Election Megathread II: The Stretch Run Begins

[Post War America]

Some people really like the idea of their lives being controlled by a government they couldn't even hope to influence.

Frankly, as long as they do not start violently persecuting groups of people and provide jobs and services, do I really effing care about whether the government is democratic or a dictatorship?

At least with the dictatorship, I know they aren't lollygagging around pretending to be effing paragons of virtue while screwing me over unlike democracies, straight to the damn point.

Dictatorships by their very nature persecute people. It's necessary to use state violence to eliminate dissidents to maintain a dictatorship.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Frankly, as long as they do not start violently persecuting groups of people and provide jobs and services, do I really effing care about whether the government is democratic or a dictatorship?

At least with the dictatorship, I know they aren't lollygagging around pretending to be effing paragons of virtue while screwing me over unlike democracies, straight to the damn point.

Dictatorships by their very nature persecute people. It's necessary to use state violence to eliminate dissidents to maintain a dictatorship.

It depends on the definition of "dissident", since opposition to a dictatorial government can easily grow sour and violent, and if they initiate the aggression...

The problem with dictatorships is not the SYSTEM, it's THE PEOPLE that are part of such governments.

Greedy, corrupt, completely disconnected from the masses, and thus without "Panem et circenses", the people will inevitably revolt.

[Post War America]

Dictatorships by their very nature persecute people. It's necessary to use state violence to eliminate dissidents to maintain a dictatorship.

It depends on the definition of "dissident", since opposition to a dictatorial government can easily grow sour and violent, and if they initiate the aggression...

The problem with dictatorships is not the SYSTEM, it's THE PEOPLE that are part of such governments.

Greedy, corrupt, completely disconnected from the masses, and thus without "Panem et circenses", the people will inevitably revolt.

If a system of governance relies on a small number of people to not act in their own self interest to not violently oppress people than it is in fact the system itself that is the problem. A "benevolent dictatorship" is simply one that was luckly enough to have a leader with larger aims than themselves, but that will change when that leader is removed. Ergo, dictatorship's natural state is one that is... problematic for the good of the commons.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

It depends on the definition of "dissident", since opposition to a dictatorial government can easily grow sour and violent, and if they initiate the aggression...

The problem with dictatorships is not the SYSTEM, it's THE PEOPLE that are part of such governments.

Greedy, corrupt, completely disconnected from the masses, and thus without "Panem et circenses", the people will inevitably revolt.

If a system of governance relies on a small number of people to not act in their own self interest to not violently oppress people than it is in fact the system itself that is the problem. A "benevolent dictatorship" is simply one that was luckly enough to have a leader with larger aims than themselves, but that will change when that leader is removed. Ergo, dictatorship's natural state is one that is... problematic for the good of the commons.

It is not a system without flaws, but then again, when is a political system ever perfect?

Benevolent dictatorships have existed and worked, but like you said, it has its issues.

[Post War America]

If a system of governance relies on a small number of people to not act in their own self interest to not violently oppress people than it is in fact the system itself that is the problem. A "benevolent dictatorship" is simply one that was luckly enough to have a leader with larger aims than themselves, but that will change when that leader is removed. Ergo, dictatorship's natural state is one that is... problematic for the good of the commons.

It is not a system without flaws, but then again, when is a political system ever perfect?

Benevolent dictatorships have existed and worked, but like you said, it has its issues.

It's not about perfection. Dictatorships by their very nature will inevitably fall into tyranny, its not the system breaking that causes it. Because dictatorships mandate political repression of their opponents, they have to, on a fundamental level suppress the people. The only functional way of doing this is through state violence.

[Cannot think of a name]

This is the most internet discussion since interneting came to internettown.

[The Republic of Fore]

I, too, do not want a fucking bloodbath. I don't want American democracy terminated, least of all by Trump.

It won't be. Stop fearmongering. Side note, I find it hilarious that people are freaking out over this. Who was it that just two years ago was rioting and attacking strangers over losing an election?

[Valrifell]

I, too, do not want a fucking bloodbath. I don't want American democracy terminated, least of all by Trump.

It won't be. Stop fearmongering. Side note, I find it hilarious that people are freaking out over this. Who was it that just two years ago was rioting and attacking strangers over losing an election?

"You're wrong to be concerned with a politician not recognizing results causing a political crisis because Liberals rioted two years ago!"

???

[Vassenor]

I, too, do not want a fucking bloodbath. I don't want American democracy terminated, least of all by Trump.

It won't be. Stop fearmongering. Side note, I find it hilarious that people are freaking out over this. Who was it that just two years ago was rioting and attacking strangers over losing an election?

And what parallel universe are you living in, perchance?

[Dahon]

I, too, do not want a fucking bloodbath. I don't want American democracy terminated, least of all by Trump.

It won't be. Stop fearmongering. Side note, I find it hilarious that people are freaking out over this. Who was it that just two years ago was rioting and attacking strangers over losing an election?

I didn't fucking riot, I went... troubled in the mind for some months after Trump won. Can I be worried as fuck now, or is worry reserved for authoritarians and their enablers alone?

[San Lumen]

It won't be. Stop fearmongering. Side note, I find it hilarious that people are freaking out over this. Who was it that just two years ago was rioting and attacking strangers over losing an election?

I didn't fucking riot, I went... troubled in the mind for some months after Trump won. Can I be worried as fuck now, or is worry reserved for authoritarians and their enablers alone?

How about waiting till after the election?

[San Lumen]

There is no objectivity when you dismiss anybody who supports gun control.

Yes there is.

And once again you prove thats all you care about. There could be a dead environment, no healthcare or social security, rigged elections, women are LGBT people are second class citizens but as long as your have your guns you wouldn't care.

[Thermodolia]

Guys, what do you think of this? Should I be worried?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... take-power

Should I?

Guys?

Get yourself an actual newspaper first. The Washington Examiner is garbage tier shit. The Washington Times is better than them by a long shot

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Guys, what do you think of this? Should I be worried?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... take-power

Should I?

Guys?

No. It would only make Trump look like a buffoon in the end.

[Thermodolia]

Yes there is.

And once again you prove thats all you care about. There could be a dead environment, no healthcare or social security, rigged elections, women are LGBT people are second class citizens but as long as your have your guns you wouldn't care.

I have on very good authority that Tel would care if women, LGBT, and the environment all went to shit. Guns aren’t the only thing they care about. But it’s the one thing that gets you riled up

[Major-Tom]

Gillum is up 12 points in the most recent poll, by CNN.

I'm not sure that's a reliable poll, most have it relatively tight.

True. In other recent polls, Gillum is polling around 1-4 points above DeSantis. Within the margin of error, sure, but overall, I think Gillum's odds are decent (maybe 3/4). What's interesting is that it's not unlikely Nelson will lose by a slim margin whereas Gillum could simultaneously win by a slim or even decent sized margin.

But, y'know, progressives still can't win, clearly.

[San Lumen]

And once again you prove thats all you care about. There could be a dead environment, no healthcare or social security, rigged elections, women are LGBT people are second class citizens but as long as your have your guns you wouldn't care.

I have on very good authority that Tel would care if women, LGBT, and the environment all went to shit. Guns aren’t the only thing they care about. But it’s the one thing that gets you riled up

It certainly doesnt seem like it.

Its also equally frightening when you called for a military coup against the all but certain next governor of California. its nice to know you are so anti democracy. Go ask someone from Myanmar how wonderful military rule is.

Would call for a coup if Stacey Abrams is elected Governor of your state?

[San Lumen]

I'm not sure that's a reliable poll, most have it relatively tight.

True. In other recent polls, Gillum is polling around 1-4 points above DeSantis. Within the margin of error, sure, but overall, I think Gillum's odds are decent (maybe 3/4). What's interesting is that it's not unlikely Nelson will lose by a slim margin whereas Gillum could simultaneously win by a slim or even decent sized margin.

But, y'know, progressives still can't win, clearly.

If Gillum wins I have a very hard time seeing Nelson lose.

[Thermodolia]

True. In other recent polls, Gillum is polling around 1-4 points above DeSantis. Within the margin of error, sure, but overall, I think Gillum's odds are decent (maybe 3/4). What's interesting is that it's not unlikely Nelson will lose by a slim margin whereas Gillum could simultaneously win by a slim or even decent sized margin.

But, y'know, progressives still can't win, clearly.

If Gillum wins I have a very hard time seeing Nelson lose.

People can vote for the progressive and not vote for the corporate suit. Shocking I know

[San Lumen]

If Gillum wins I have a very hard time seeing Nelson lose.

People can vote for the progressive and not vote for the corporate suit. Shocking I know

Many of the people who would vote for Gillum are very unlikely to also cast a ballot for Scott.

[Thermodolia]

I have on very good authority that Tel would care if women, LGBT, and the environment all went to shit. Guns aren’t the only thing they care about. But it’s the one thing that gets you riled up

It certainly doesnt seem like it.

Because Tel knows what riles you up. That’s why keeps saying guns. Because you let him.

Its also equally frightening when you called for a military coup against the all but certain next governor of California.

How is it frightening for the federal government to enforce its rule of law in California. California has been acting like it’s not apart of the US and an independent nation. That shit needs to stop.

its nice to know you are so anti democracy.

Don’t know how this is still a shock to you or that you think I’ll be upset with you calling me anti-democratic

Go ask someone from Myanmar how wonderful military rule is.

I would find several million who agree with me. Besides I like the military.

Would call for a coup if Stacey Abrams is elected Governor of your state?

No. Mainly because she would keep the republicans from a one party controlling everything.

See in my perfect non meme world the democrats would control the presidency, the republicans would control the senate, and the democrats would control the house. Same for each of the states. That way the parties are forced to work with eachother.

[Thermodolia]

People can vote for the progressive and not vote for the corporate suit. Shocking I know

Many of the people who would vote for Gillum are very unlikely to also cast a ballot for Scott.

I said “not vote” I didn’t say that they would vote for Scott. Many people would likely just vote for Gillum and then leave the senate race blank.

Shocking I know

[San Lumen]

It certainly doesnt seem like it.

Because Tel knows what riles you up. That’s why keeps saying guns. Because you let him.

Its also equally frightening when you called for a military coup against the all but certain next governor of California.

How is it frightening for the federal government to enforce its rule of law in California. California has been acting like it’s not apart of the US and an independent nation. That shit needs to stop.

its nice to know you are so anti democracy.

Don’t know how this is still a shock to you or that you think I’ll be upset with you calling me anti-democratic

Go ask someone from Myanmar how wonderful military rule is.

I would find several million who agree with me. Besides I like the military.

Would call for a coup if Stacey Abrams is elected Governor of your state?

No. Mainly because she would keep the republicans from a one party controlling everything.

See in my perfect non meme world the democrats would control the presidency, the republicans would control the senate, and the democrats would control the house. Same for each of the states. That way the parties are forced to work with eachother.

No they are not acting like a independent nation. They have a right to elect who they want to state office and pass laws that do not conflict with the constitution. A military coup against a government elected in a free and fair election is not the way to get what you want.

You've obviously never met someone from Myanmar. If you did you'd think differently

And your perfect world is unfair because in effect you have a rigged election. why shouldn't people get to choose who they want to control each branch of the government.

[Major-Tom]

If Gillum wins I have a very hard time seeing Nelson lose.

People can vote for the progressive and not vote for the corporate suit. Shocking I know

Gotta agree. I genuinely think that in a majority of states, Lean R states like FL included, progressives will do better in the general than so called "New Democrats."

[San Lumen]

People can vote for the progressive and not vote for the corporate suit. Shocking I know

Gotta agree. I genuinely think that in a majority of states, Lean R states like FL included, progressives will do better in the general than so called "New Democrats."

I do agree its entirely possible Gillum wins by a bigger margin than Nelson but I have a very difficult time seeing Gillum not drag him over the finish line.