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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
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Yes
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Left-Authoritarianism
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The Batorys
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:10 pm

Liriena wrote:And here is our daily reminder that getting abolished is the least punishment that the fuckers of ICE deserve

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... her-rights

I fucking hate ICE.
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:12 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
The Batorys wrote:I mean, honestly I don't understand why they'd come in here other than to troll. Like I don't go in the right wing discussion thread, cause I'm a leftist and so that seems like it would be a very unpleasant place for me to be.


I share your sense of confusion, but they have a right to be here if they wish.

Or do they?
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:13 pm

Aellex wrote:
Eodor wrote:Those goddamn filthy illegal kids daring to enter the great country of America that everyone should praise as god just not foreigners but if they don't we'll bomb them.

I mean, people could praise it from home. :^)
But yeah, no one has a "right" to cross into a country illegally.

*looks at the pilgrims*
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:15 pm

Second Empire of America wrote:
Dark Socialism wrote:No, I have no reason to be in a cage


You're a self-proclaimed fascist. Fascists have every reason to be put in a cage.

What would we keep them around for?
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The Batorys
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:16 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Second Empire of America wrote:
You're a self-proclaimed fascist. Fascists have every reason to be put in a cage.

This is not how this works, bruh. Debate doesn't start like that.

Can't really debate fascists. They don't believe in logic, reason, consistency, or reality.
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Postby Loben » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:16 pm

The Batorys wrote:
Liriena wrote:And here is our daily reminder that getting abolished is the least punishment that the fuckers of ICE deserve

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... her-rights

I fucking hate ICE.

the feelings probably mutual.

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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:17 pm

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
By that metric any person not residing in the Horn of Africa is an illegal resident of the rest of Earth by virtue of the movement of their ancestors. :^)

Not really no, we didn't have nations nor countries when we were still primates. We had no law nor justice neither.
Now that we have all of those things, we're able to define who is a legal resident and who isn't an expel the later. ;^D

We are still primates right now.
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:20 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They can exist without crossing sovereign lines without permission. It's not like their existences are predicated on crossing the US-Mexico border.
Also, as Aellex said, they're not "illegal human beings", they're trespassers :^)

My border landmine proposal is still on the table.

You're clearly trolling.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:20 pm

The Batorys wrote:
Aellex wrote:Not really no, we didn't have nations nor countries when we were still primates. We had no law nor justice neither.
Now that we have all of those things, we're able to define who is a legal resident and who isn't an expel the later. ;^D

We are still primates right now.

Most countries also had open borders and freedom of movement until the 1900's.

The US for example, had open borders up until the 1920's.
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The Batorys
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:21 pm

Loben wrote:
Korouse wrote:Leftists BTFO again! #MAGA am I right Loben-pede?


well, i guess if you keep acting like that all youre gonna get is shit responses.

You're.

Also this is our thread. You have your own.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:21 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Batorys wrote:We are still primates right now.

Most countries also had open borders and freedom of movement until the 1900's.

The US for example, had open borders up until 1924.

Sssh! Don't bring logic into this!
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:22 pm

Korouse wrote:
Dark Socialism wrote:This is correct.

weird how the neo-nazis accuse blacks of rape and genetic inferiority but then they go back and support rapists. really makes u think!

Well, neo-nazis tend to be rapists themselves.
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:23 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Batorys wrote:Arm the homeless.


how about instead give them houses to live in.

Both.
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Postby The Batorys » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:23 pm

Loben wrote:
The Batorys wrote:I fucking hate ICE.

the feelings probably mutual.

Good.
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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:23 pm

Dark Socialism wrote:
The Batorys wrote:Arm the homeless.

Might as well arm low functioning down syndromes while we're at it

Yep, arm them too. Or their representatives, if unwilling or unable.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:27 pm

The Batorys wrote:
Aellex wrote:I mean, people could praise it from home. :^)
But yeah, no one has a "right" to cross into a country illegally.

*looks at the pilgrims*

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Postby New haven america » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:28 pm

Kowani wrote:
New haven america wrote:Most countries also had open borders and freedom of movement until the 1900's.

The US for example, had open borders up until 1924.

Sssh! Don't bring logic into this!

B-but logic! D:
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Batorys wrote:We are still primates right now.

Most countries also had open borders and freedom of movement until the 1900's.

The US for example, had open borders up until the 1920's.

You have evidence of this
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:37 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kowani wrote:Sssh! Don't bring logic into this!

B-but logic! D:


Reopen the borders! Then abolish them entirely!
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:40 pm

Well I hope leftists realise why there was open borders in the Gilded Age.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:43 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:Well I hope leftists realise why there was open borders in the Gilded Age.


... Abolish Capitalism at the same time as the borders are abolished!
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Postby New haven america » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:45 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
New haven america wrote:Most countries also had open borders and freedom of movement until the 1900's.

The US for example, had open borders up until the 1920's.

You have evidence of this

The US historically had open borders up until 1921 (Excluding the Chinese Exclusion Act) with further restrictions created in 1924, effectively restricting the border and immigration for everyone.

You don't have to look farther than a bloody Wikipedia article to find this out.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:46 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Second Empire of America wrote:
You're a self-proclaimed fascist. Fascists have every reason to be put in a cage.

This is not how this works, bruh. Debate doesn't start like that.


Um. I don't think that the other poster was debating with you.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:47 pm

Torrocca wrote:Imagine calling oneself a Libertarian and being against the free movement of people. :^)


Right-libertarians may have confiscated the name, but not the idea.
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Postby Uxupox » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:50 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:You have evidence of this

The US historically had open borders up until 1921 (Excluding the Chinese Exclusion Act) with further restrictions created in 1924, effectively restricting the border and immigration for everyone.

You don't have to look farther than a bloody Wikipedia article to find this out.


Technically not since it was up to the states to decide on how to handle new immigrants and the process of naturalization. one must look individually to the states of the era on how it was conducted.
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