LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[Dark Socialism]

Only serial killers are serial killers. Most neonazis and neofascists simply spout out disgusting rhetoric.

Dark Socialism is a self proclaimed fascist himself. When someone says he's basically a serial killer, we should start treating him like one.

kek

[Bakery Hill]

Do tell: which among the italians is called "the first anarchist"?

And who made up the most of the numbers of the scums who carried "propagande par le fait"?

Ravachol? The Bonnot Gang? Valliant? Italy was a hotbed of anarchism, but don't passez le buck camarade.

[Bakery Hill]

Napoléon was a Corsican. Does that makes the Wars of the Coalitions any more Italian?

QED, italians high on french anarchism are french.

Again, you not liking the actual sense of the word Anarchy doesn't mean that everyone should stop using it correctly. ;^)

To treat language as mere aesthetic instead of a system of meaning in context is is just so french. The spirit in which you disdain the word is the same spirit in which it was coined.
Really now, you lot could really do with a bit of german on you. Very practical language and linguistic approach to it, you see.

German philosophy is superior to French. God granted France the Land, Britain the Sea and Germany the Sky as they used to say. Then France lost the Land I suppose.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

QED, italians high on french anarchism are french.

To treat language as mere aesthetic instead of a system of meaning in context is is just so french. The spirit in which you disdain the word is the same spirit in which it was coined.
Really now, you lot could really do with a bit of german on you. Very practical language and linguistic approach to it, you see.

German philosophy is superior to French. God granted France the Land, Britain the Sea and Germany the Sky as they used to say. Then France lost the Land I suppose.

Yep they did, when they surrendered to the Nazis, and quite literally lost over half of their land.

[Bakery Hill]

German philosophy is superior to French. God granted France the Land, Britain the Sea and Germany the Sky as they used to say. Then France lost the Land I suppose.

Yep they did, when they surrendered to the Nazis, and quite literally lost over half of their land.

No, well before that.

[Kubra]

QED, italians high on french anarchism are french.

To treat language as mere aesthetic instead of a system of meaning in context is is just so french. The spirit in which you disdain the word is the same spirit in which it was coined.
Really now, you lot could really do with a bit of german on you. Very practical language and linguistic approach to it, you see.

German philosophy is superior to French. God granted France the Land, Britain the Sea and Germany the Sky as they used to say. Then France lost the Land I suppose.

The best thing Marx ever did was get piss drunk and tell a bar full of englishmen that they'd always be inferior intellectually to germans

[Nekokuni]

Were any of those fellows called "the first anarchist"?
Come now, do you wish to trade moralisms or talk history?

Napoléon was a Corsican. Does that makes the Wars of the Coalitions any more Italian?

If I remember correctly, he became your problem after 1769.

[Aellex]

QED, italians high on french anarchism are french.

Not anymore than Chinese high on opium were British.

To treat language as mere aesthetic instead of a system of meaning in context is is just so french. The spirit in which you disdain the word is the same spirit in which it was coined.
Really now, you lot could really do with a bit of german on you. Very practical language and linguistic approach to it, you see.

I will grant you that pleasure you so crave and answer you in German. Nein.

German philosophy is superior to French. God granted France the Land, Britain the Sea and Germany the Sky as they used to say. Then France lost the Land I suppose.

I'd agree to the first point only if we're limiting ourselves to crass materialism. Pascal and Descartes to quote only two are better (and in very different ways with very different takes on the subject) in the spiritual than any boche ever was.

And yeah, we did pretty much at the same time Britain lost the sea and Germany had the Sky fall on its head. Decolonialism is a hell of a bad trip.

[Aellex]

>Ignoring two centuries of political and scientific philosophy to continue to fearmonger about an ideology

I am absolutely not surprised in this regard whatsoever.

Again, an handful of edgy boys don't get to redefine a word for everyone else when its sense is already very well established.
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And handful of our boys being led astray by the Ritals doesn't change that they made up most of the bomb-throwers.

Also, I'd disagree with calling La Bande à Bonnot anarchists. They were by their own admission just fucking thugs.

[Nekokuni]

And handful of our boys being led astray by the Ritals doesn't change that they made up most of the bomb-throwers.

Also, I'd disagree with calling La Bande à Bonnot anarchists. They were by their own admission just fucking thugs.

Their thuggery was justified by illegalism and egoistic anarchism, and even today, I've seen a lot of anarchists support them even after it is made clear that they killed several workers during their selfish robberies. So I don't think that anarchism can be absolved of them.

[Kubra]

QED, italians high on french anarchism are french.

Not anymore than Chinese high on opium were British.

To treat language as mere aesthetic instead of a system of meaning in context is is just so french. The spirit in which you disdain the word is the same spirit in which it was coined.
Really now, you lot could really do with a bit of german on you. Very practical language and linguistic approach to it, you see.

I will grant you that pleasure you so crave and answer you in German. Nein.

German philosophy is superior to French. God granted France the Land, Britain the Sea and Germany the Sky as they used to say. Then France lost the Land I suppose.

I'd agree to the first point only if we're limiting ourselves to crass materialism. Pascal and Descartes to quote only two are better (and in very different ways with very different takes on the subject) in the spiritual than any boche ever was.

And yeah, we did pretty much at the same time Britain lost the sea and Germany had the Sky fall on its head. Decolonialism is a hell of a bad trip.

Southeast Asian or pakistani, you mean. The british isles do not produce any Opium, to my knowledge.

Come now, you can speak german to me in english. It's simply a matter of the approach to language. You are of course familiar with the approach I want, you took the same tact with bonapartism, did you not? I very much recall you scolding me for taking the label of bonapartism literally, which was certainly a mistake on my part, no?

[Kubra]

And handful of our boys being led astray by the Ritals doesn't change that they made up most of the bomb-throwers.

Also, I'd disagree with calling La Bande à Bonnot anarchists. They were by their own admission just fucking thugs.

Their thuggery was justified by illegalism and egoistic anarchism, and even today, I've seen a lot of anarchists support them even after it is made clear that they killed several workers during their selfish robberies. So I don't think that anarchism can be absolved of them.

And?
This is a thread of folks bandying about their 19th century (or older) political hang-ups. perhaps you are a new person of some new age, but we are not. There's no brownie points in pointing out that folks with politics from a violent time consider violent times.

[Bakery Hill]

QED, italians high on french anarchism are french.

Not anymore than Chinese high on opium were British.

To treat language as mere aesthetic instead of a system of meaning in context is is just so french. The spirit in which you disdain the word is the same spirit in which it was coined.
Really now, you lot could really do with a bit of german on you. Very practical language and linguistic approach to it, you see.

I will grant you that pleasure you so crave and answer you in German. Nein.

German philosophy is superior to French. God granted France the Land, Britain the Sea and Germany the Sky as they used to say. Then France lost the Land I suppose.

I'd agree to the first point only if we're limiting ourselves to crass materialism. Pascal and Descartes to quote only two are better (and in very different ways with very different takes on the subject) in the spiritual than any boche ever was.

And yeah, we did pretty much at the same time Britain lost the sea and Germany had the Sky fall on its head. Decolonialism is a hell of a bad trip.

I would say France had lost the Land by at least 1871. If we take the Land to mean massive power on the continent.

[Nekokuni]

Their thuggery was justified by illegalism and egoistic anarchism, and even today, I've seen a lot of anarchists support them even after it is made clear that they killed several workers during their selfish robberies. So I don't think that anarchism can be absolved of them.

And?
This is a thread of folks bandying about their 19th century (or older) political hang-ups. perhaps you are a new person of some new age, but we are not. There's no brownie points in pointing out that folks with politics from a violent time consider violent times.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, because I'm sure that the anti-social and extremely fascistic things that members of the Bonnot gang said would be reprehensible to most people even back then.

I do not want to unite with the multitude of those who flatter the proletariat, excusing them, praising them, adorning them with wreathes. No, oh distinguished windbags, your verve disguises nothing. The “people” is always there, idiotic, cowardly, resigned. And I, who consider myself superior, desire to be so, and both the bourgeoisie and the proletariat will pay for my superiority. You languish in hunger and hardships, you vegetate, bestially fertilizing wombs with a swarm of ragged, filthy, scrofulous, stunted brats.

[Aellex]

I would say France had lost the Land by at least 1871. If we take the Land to mean massive power on the continent.

Then you can trace that back to 1815. Napoléon broke our back and bled our land like not even Louis XIV nor the dynastic feuding between the Valois and Plantagenêt did before.
Our continental conquering spirit died back then and we've been on the defensive ever since.

[Bakery Hill]

I would say France had lost the Land by at least 1871. If we take the Land to mean massive power on the continent.

Then you can trace that back to 1815. Napoléon broke our back and bled our land like not even Louis XIV nor the dynastic feuding between the Valois and Plantagenêt did before.
Our continental conquering spirit died back then and we've been on the defensive ever since.

That'd be my guess too.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I would say France had lost the Land by at least 1871. If we take the Land to mean massive power on the continent.

Then you can trace that back to 1815. Napoléon broke our back and bled our land like not even Louis XIV nor the dynastic feuding between the Valois and Plantagenêt did before.
Our continental conquering spirit died back then and we've been on the defensive ever since.

I'm sure that as European politics heats up the baguette will rise again.

[Uxupox]

Then you can trace that back to 1815. Napoléon broke our back and bled our land like not even Louis XIV nor the dynastic feuding between the Valois and Plantagenêt did before.
Our continental conquering spirit died back then and we've been on the defensive ever since.

I'm sure that as European politics heats up the baguette will rise again.

the only baguettes that should rise should be in the oven.

[Korouse]

German philosophy is superior to French. God granted France the Land, Britain the Sea and Germany the Sky as they used to say. Then France lost the Land I suppose.

The best thing Marx ever did was get piss drunk and tell a bar full of englishmen that they'd always be inferior intellectually to germans

National chauvinism is healthy in small doses.

[Korouse]

Just because some pompous tits in the whatever century decided to associate Anarchism with chaos doesn't mean whatsoever that it's actually synonymous with chaos, which you'd actually know if you'd ever bothered to pick up a scrap of Anarchist literature instead of listening to propaganda to the point that you act like it's evil incarnate. :^)

Why must you display such brazen historical ignorance when trying to defend the undefendable.
Anarchy never was "associated" with Chaos by anyone, it was always considered by everyone to be the worst of the concept embodied.
It's really a special kind of frustrating to deal with revisionists, truly.
The fact that you're bitching about how I would see how good Anarchism is if only I read anarchist propaganda while saying that everything else is the true propaganda is honestly a little sad.
I can't really do anything but urge you to read some more history books and some less propaganda ones.

Anarchism ? Incredible ignorance. Go to Kenya and ask the islamic child soldier how much they like it!

[Korouse]

Yes, what a terrible tragedy that fuckwads got their just desserts. I am crying tears.

I would have been fine with it if they stopped with the royals. But instead, thousands of "counter-revolutionaries" had also felt the bite of la guillotine, a perversion if anything.

color me surprised a libertarian wanted the jacobins to protect the poor souls of the landed aristocracy

[Frievolk]

Yes, what a terrible tragedy that fuckwads got their just desserts. I am crying tears.

I would have been fine with it if they stopped with the royals. But instead, thousands of "counter-revolutionaries" had also felt the bite of la guillotine, a perversion if anything.

I would have been fine even with that (ok not really, but let's assume I would) but killing people for being "too revolutionary" might be a bit of a stretch there.

[The Liberated Territories]

I would have been fine with it if they stopped with the royals. But instead, thousands of "counter-revolutionaries" had also felt the bite of la guillotine, a perversion if anything.

color me surprised a libertarian wanted the jacobins to protect the poor souls of the landed aristocracy

you think i am a defender of the aristocracy
TEM thinks i am some sort of radical jacobin quasi marxist

wew lad the horseshoe is real

anyway I am not going to respond to the comment that glorifies violence for the sake of violence, something that has never been a libertarian value ever

[The Liberated Territories]

I would have been fine with it if they stopped with the royals. But instead, thousands of "counter-revolutionaries" had also felt the bite of la guillotine, a perversion if anything.

I would have been fine even with that (ok not really, but let's assume I would) but killing people for being "too revolutionary" might be a bit of a stretch there.

Killing people who had little say in the system, whether they were individual aristocrats or peasants, is too much of a stretch. It's thinly veiled classism.

[Orostan]

I would have been fine even with that (ok not really, but let's assume I would) but killing people for being "too revolutionary" might be a bit of a stretch there.

Killing people who had little say in the system, whether they were individual aristocrats or peasants, is too much of a stretch. It's thinly veiled classism.

Killing the ruling class is something that tends to happen when people get sick of them.