[SUBMT] Repeal "Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"

[Sefy the Great]

Well, you don't have to worry about me. My trump suit is hearts. I'm definitely not a spade and I'm definitely not a fascist. So, what now?

The Liberation passed by an overwhelming margin. Here we are debating the possibility of a repeal. There are over 500 nations in the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators that we have set up for an invasion. Are we going to vote in favor of this repeal or not?

You do not have 500 puppets in CCD set up for invasion. Nobody does. That claim’s just plain wrong.

r/woosh is coming for you now

[Blood Wine]

Query: wouldn't this fall under rule 2D - not addressing the original resolution in the repeal?

[Kaboomlandia]

Query: wouldn't this fall under rule 2D - not addressing the original resolution in the repeal?

It does address the resolution. It explains why it won’t do anything.

[RiderSyl]

Query: wouldn't this fall under rule 2D - not addressing the original resolution in the repeal?

It does address the resolution. It explains why it won’t do anything.

All it explains is your opinion on the metagaming surrounding the resolution. I don't think it addresses the original resolution.

EDIT: Ya, after double checking both the Liberation's language and this repeal's language, you don't actually address it. The Liberation never mentions raiding COCD, or the mechanics behind what would make it possible.

[Blood Wine]

It does address the resolution. It explains why it won’t do anything.

All it explains is your opinion on the metagaming surrounding the resolution. I don't think it addresses the original resolution.

EDIT: Ya, after double checking both the Liberation's language and this repeal's language, you don't actually address it. The Liberation never mentions raiding COCD, or the mechanics behind what would make it possible.

^basically this - can we get a legality check on this by a mod?

[Jocospor]

How dare anyone try and take away our hard-earned accolade! The Confederation stands proudly against this repeal action!

[RiderSyl]

How dare anyone try and take away our hard-earned accolade! The Confederation stands proudly against this repeal action!

Saying it's an accolade doesn't mean you and your regionmates actually believe it is one. And there's proof you guys don't.

Jocospor's actual position on the Liberation:

For the record, we're against this too.

And his Chancellor's position on the Liberation:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=32559714

This isn't a punishable offence. Unless specifically instructed otherwise, nations are strongly encouraged to follow the vote of our WA Delegate, but are allowed a conscience vote if they feel strongly about the resolution.

This does not apply to the current SC resolution, "Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators" - all nations are required to vote AGAINST this terrible piece of legislation.

Any nation found to have voted for this liberation should be reported to the Chancellor's Office via telegram.

They're only claiming they love the passed liberation now because it was argued that them acting this way would get it repealed.

Nobody fall for it, please.

[Frisbeeteria]

^basically this - can we get a legality check on this by a mod?

Didn't see this thread: viewtopic.php?p=34677330#p34677330

[Jocospor]

How dare anyone try and take away our hard-earned accolade! The Confederation stands proudly against this repeal action!

Saying it's an accolade doesn't mean you and your regionmates actually believe it is one. And there's proof you guys don't.

Jocospor's actual position on the Liberation:

For the record, we're against this too.

And his Chancellor's position on the Liberation:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=32559714

This isn't a punishable offence. Unless specifically instructed otherwise, nations are strongly encouraged to follow the vote of our WA Delegate, but are allowed a conscience vote if they feel strongly about the resolution.

This does not apply to the current SC resolution, "Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators" - all nations are required to vote AGAINST this terrible piece of legislation.

Any nation found to have voted for this liberation should be reported to the Chancellor's Office via telegram.

They're only claiming they love the passed liberation now because it was argued that them acting this way would get it repealed.

Nobody fall for it, please.

Look, I guess all we can say to that is:

Also this
Also, we find out that some people apparently don't realize that the voting period is 4 days not 5, and that 470 ---> ~500 is about 30, not about 50.

Oh, come now, tisk tisk. They don't call us the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators for nothing

On behalf of the Viceroy, the Delegate's Office would like to thank the World Assembly for bestowing this beautiful badge on the region. Light blue is really in season, it seems!

In the words of Vladimir Grenwair, reigning Grandmaster throughout all Jocospor: "Hmmm...now, as much as you probably can't bare to entertain the thought, dear sir, you have actually been, well, outplayed."

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Saying it's an accolade doesn't mean you and your regionmates actually believe it is one. And there's proof you guys don't.

They're only claiming they love the passed liberation now because it was argued that them acting this way would get it repealed.

Nobody fall for it, please.

That's cute, it's almost like you don't realise that perhaps, just perhaps, we were acting as though we were against the original liberation proposal because it never would have passed if we were to support it?

I think Jocospor's statement really sums it up - you've been outplayed. I guess all that's left now is to see how this repeal turns out.

[Blood Wine]

Saying it's an accolade doesn't mean you and your regionmates actually believe it is one. And there's proof you guys don't.

They're only claiming they love the passed liberation now because it was argued that them acting this way would get it repealed.

Nobody fall for it, please.

That's cute, it's almost like you don't realise that perhaps, just perhaps, we were acting as though we were against the original liberation proposal because it never would have passed if we were to support it?

I think Jocospor's statement really sums it up - you've been outplayed. I guess all that's left now is to see how this repeal turns out.

Nah, the more logical explanation is that you lost and now you're trying to play it off

[Sefy the Great]

That's cute, it's almost like you don't realise that perhaps, just perhaps, we were acting as though we were against the original liberation proposal because it never would have passed if we were to support it?

I think Jocospor's statement really sums it up - you've been outplayed. I guess all that's left now is to see how this repeal turns out.

Nah, the more logical explanation is that you lost and now you're trying to play it off

the do such a bad job at hiding it as well. at the very least they could be subtle about it :I

[Jocospor]

That's cute, it's almost like you don't realise that perhaps, just perhaps, we were acting as though we were against the original liberation proposal because it never would have passed if we were to support it?

I think Jocospor's statement really sums it up - you've been outplayed. I guess all that's left now is to see how this repeal turns out.

Nah, the more logical explanation is that you lost and now you're trying to play it off

And, dear sir, you are more than welcome to believe that. If you do, you only double - no, triple - our satisfaction.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Nah, the more logical explanation is that you lost and now you're trying to play it off

And, dear sir, you are more than welcome to believe that. If you do, you only double - no, triple - our satisfaction.

Don't stop believing... hold on to that feeling... Oh by the way, we'd really love it if everyone could vote against this proposal should it reach quorum.

[Democratic Empire of Romania]

I would be surprised if there wasn't a repeal. Succes, yu'll need that.

[RiderSyl]

That's cute, it's almost like you don't realise that perhaps, just perhaps, we were acting as though we were against the original liberation proposal because it never would have passed if we were to support it?

I definitely realize "It won't pass if we support it!" is the logic you guys are using here. Not towards the original liberation. Here, in this thread.

[RiderSyl]

Also, "We were lying before to trick you, but we're totally being honest now!" is an... interesting approach by the Confederation.

[Xoriet]

Don't stop believing... hold on to that feeling... Oh by the way, we'd really love it if everyone could vote against this proposal should it reach quorum.

CCD's mindset: Tfw our region is so insignificant that we'll do anything to get some sort of recognition because we obviously deserve it.

If you're being honest about wanting this, your region is symbolically that kid in high school who acts out because at least then you'll get some validation through people hating you.

[Wrapper]

Ya, after double checking both the Liberation's language and this repeal's language, you don't actually address it.

I disagree, and have marked this legal. The first two clauses acknowledge the purpose of the liberation as stated throughout the resolution, and the first "Pointing out" subclause points out that the "Aware" clause in the resolution is pointless.

[Forestavia]

Well, you don't have to worry about me. My trump suit is hearts. I'm definitely not a spade and I'm definitely not a fascist. So, what now?

The Liberation passed by an overwhelming margin. Here we are debating the possibility of a repeal. There are over 500 nations in the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators that we have set up for an invasion. Are we going to vote in favor of this repeal or not?

You do not have 500 puppets in CCD set up for invasion. Nobody does. That claim’s just plain wrong.

I didn't word that claim well, did I?
Rewording:
There is a population of over 500 nations in the CCD that the Security Council has set up for an invasion in the long term. Their hope is to eventually raid CCD once Jocospor CTE. As for me personally, I only have one puppet in their region as a sign of symbolic support.

[Forestavia]

How dare anyone try and take away our hard-earned accolade! The Confederation stands proudly against this repeal action!

I promise you, I will do everything in my power to have that Liberation removed from your region. Your region is not worthy of that so-called "liberation". That "liberation" was foolishly given to your region as a badge of war. Liberations should not be badges of war but they should be badges of peace.

I stand proudly in favor of this repeal as your region is not under attack nor is it occupied. This is not even a liberation. This is a fake liberation. It's a preemptive neoliberation. Hopefully some day this chamber will go back to using the Liberation in the traditional way. We're not using it properly and we're handing them out like candy to regions like yours who don't even deserve them!

(Hail the Confederation!)

[Malphe]

Don't stop believing... hold on to that feeling... Oh by the way, we'd really love it if everyone could vote against this proposal should it reach quorum.

CCD's mindset: Tfw our region is so insignificant that we'll do anything to get some sort of recognition because we obviously deserve it.

If you're being honest about wanting this, your region is symbolically that kid in high school who acts out because at least then you'll get some validation through people hating you.

So the guy who makes a fool out of themselves just so they can be at the centre of attention? Yep, sounds about right.

[Blood Wine]

(Hail the Confederation!)

you're part of CoCD now?

[Pergamon]

Opposed

Btw. a great factual error is to claim that the 84 updater force was the largest. The largest operation was the update against FEMDOM EMPIRE with a ~100WA nazi entrenchment, where a 90 people updater force showed up, which wasn't CAIN alone. 50 Updaters of this force alone belonged to the NPO and I should know because I raised the NPO army that was present.

[Forestavia]

(Hail the Confederation!)

you're part of CoCD now?

I repeat: Only as a sign of symbolic support.
(Is it just me or is this thread taking a weird turn? Here I am arguing with the founder of the region I've been standing up for.)