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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:12 pm

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New haven america wrote:Why does it matter what 2 orange and yellow puppets do in the privacy of their shared home? (How did they even afford that thing btw?)

What do you mean how did they afford it? The gubbamint pays well

They may have had jobs. For example Cookie monster hosted monsterpiece theatre.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:15 pm

This is what gets debated in the current year.
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Postby Geneviev » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:43 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:This is what gets debated in the current year.

This subject is the most important of everything that has happened in the last year or so.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:50 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:This is what gets debated in the current year.


People have been talking about this for decades. A comment on the matter by Childrens Television Workshop from back in 1993.

Bert and Ernie, who’ve been on Sesame Street for 25 years, do not portray a gay couple, and there are no plans for them to do so in the future. They are puppets, not humans. Like all the Muppets created for Sesame Street, they were designed to help educate preschoolers. Bert and Ernie are characters who help demonstrate to children that despite their differences, they can be good friends.

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Postby Appalachian Communists » Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:00 pm

Bert and Ernie aren't just gay, they're my dads.

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Postby Mushet » Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:07 pm

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:06 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes. It matters for the same reason it matters that they have a character in a wheelchair, or a character with autism, or a character with a parent in prison, or a character with a family member who went to war, or a character with a family member who died. All those things happen in the lives of children who watch Sesame Street. So does homosexuality. But that's apparently so awful that the possibility of two characters being gay needs to be disavowed.

Well good for them. Doesnt really make it matter anymore tho.

Representation matters.


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Ifreann wrote:Yes. It matters for the same reason it matters that they have a character in a wheelchair, or a character with autism, or a character with a parent in prison, or a character with a family member who went to war, or a character with a family member who died. All those things happen in the lives of children who watch Sesame Street. So does homosexuality. But that's apparently so awful that the possibility of two characters being gay needs to be disavowed.


I think it's the exact opposite, two puppets were friends and the internet started pushing their faces together and trying to make them kiss. I don't believe the characters were ever envisioned as being gay and I don't think that it matters at all.

Muppets can be anything except gay, and there are no possible implications to that. Nope.


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Ifreann wrote:Yes. It matters for the same reason it matters that they have a character in a wheelchair, or a character with autism, or a character with a parent in prison, or a character with a family member who went to war, or a character with a family member who died. All those things happen in the lives of children who watch Sesame Street. So does homosexuality. But that's apparently so awful that the possibility of two characters being gay needs to be disavowed.

It doesn’t fucking matter at all. I’m fucking gay. I don’t give a fucking flying fuck that Sesame Street says two goddamn puppets aren’t gay.

They made a puppet have autism, they can make a puppet be gay. They don’t need to retcon shit

They don't need to go out of their way to insist that two characters aren't gay either. And who cares if they'd be retconning Bert and Ernie for them to be gay? Sesame Street has been on their air for 50 years and the characters haven't aged. It's not really a series with strict continuity.


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Ifreann wrote:Yes. It matters for the same reason it matters that they have a character in a wheelchair, or a character with autism, or a character with a parent in prison, or a character with a family member who went to war, or a character with a family member who died. All those things happen in the lives of children who watch Sesame Street. So does homosexuality. But that's apparently so awful that the possibility of two characters being gay needs to be disavowed.

That's not what happened though...

They we made as friends, they always have been (They were based on the friendship between Frank Oz and Jim Henson). It wasn't until the internet started question why they both lived in the same house and then wanted them to get together that this became an actual issue.

The internet ships characters constantly. If Frank Oz hadn't felt the need to insist that Muppets are sexless beings rather than allow the possibility that they might be gay then this would have been of no more consequence than any other random ship. But no, can't have characters possibly being gay.
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:12 pm

Since representation matters I’m going to go with Bert and Ernie used to be gay, until their successful conversion therapy. Now they are two straight dudes overcoming their past mistakes.
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Postby The Dacian League » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:01 pm

Bert and Ernie are, against popular opinion, not gay. As seen by the evidence below, they, in fact, sleep in SEPARATE but EQUAL (in make and model) beds at least one MOVIE THEATER seat apart (the standard measurement of man-on-man contact as no man sits next to another man in the theater as the Buffer rule commands so). Any further accusations will be charged with defamation and libel by order of Seaseme Street.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:12 pm

The Dacian League wrote:Bert and Ernie are, against popular opinion, not gay. As seen by the evidence below, they, in fact, sleep in SEPARATE but EQUAL (in make and model) beds at least one MOVIE THEATER seat apart (the standard measurement of man-on-man contact as no man sits next to another man in the theater as the Buffer rule commands so). Any further accusations will be charged with defamation and libel by order of Seaseme Street.

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Postby Dazchan » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:18 pm

The Dacian League wrote:Bert and Ernie are, against popular opinion, not gay. As seen by the evidence below, they, in fact, sleep in SEPARATE but EQUAL (in make and model) beds at least one MOVIE THEATER seat apart (the standard measurement of man-on-man contact as no man sits next to another man in the theater as the Buffer rule commands so). Any further accusations will be charged with defamation and libel by order of Seaseme Street.

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TIL gay people can't sleep in single beds.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:29 pm

The Dacian League wrote:Bert and Ernie are, against popular opinion, not gay. As seen by the evidence below, they, in fact, sleep in SEPARATE but EQUAL (in make and model) beds at least one MOVIE THEATER seat apart (the standard measurement of man-on-man contact as no man sits next to another man in the theater as the Buffer rule commands so). Any further accusations will be charged with defamation and libel by order of Seaseme Street.

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The Buffer Rule only applies to strangers, friends are completely allowed to sit in the same theater. If they sit at least one seat apart, it proves that they have a secret resentment towards one another not voiced in the show.
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Postby The Dacian League » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:51 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Dacian League wrote:Bert and Ernie are, against popular opinion, not gay. As seen by the evidence below, they, in fact, sleep in SEPARATE but EQUAL (in make and model) beds at least one MOVIE THEATER seat apart (the standard measurement of man-on-man contact as no man sits next to another man in the theater as the Buffer rule commands so). Any further accusations will be charged with defamation and libel by order of Seaseme Street.

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The Buffer Rule only applies to strangers, friends are completely allowed to sit in the same theater. If they sit at least one seat apart, it proves that they have a secret resentment towards one another not voiced in the show.


I disagree with your interpretation of the buffer rule, I am a staunch follower of the Manly Prophet Stallone who, in his manly eminence, decreed that the buffer rule applies to friends ALSO.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:52 pm

I consider puppets to be asexual unless they're shown being romantically interested. Kermit and Ms. Piggy, for example. I think it says a lot about people that they project onto puppets.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:53 pm

The Dacian League wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The Buffer Rule only applies to strangers, friends are completely allowed to sit in the same theater. If they sit at least one seat apart, it proves that they have a secret resentment towards one another not voiced in the show.


I disagree with your interpretation of the buffer rule, I am a staunch follower of the Manly Prophet Stallone who, in his manly eminence, decreed that the buffer rule applies to friends ALSO.

The only buffer rule I'm familiar with is the one for urinals.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:55 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:This is what gets debated in the current year.

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Postby The Grims » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:31 pm

Auze wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes. It matters for the same reason it matters that they have a character in a wheelchair, or a character with autism, or a character with a parent in prison, or a character with a family member who went to war, or a character with a family member who died. All those things happen in the lives of children who watch Sesame Street. So does homosexuality. But that's apparently so awful that the possibility of two characters being gay needs to be disavowed.

I don't think there are any examples of puppets being heterosexual. Anyway, as one of the creators said, "their puppets, they have no sexuality, they don't exist below the waist".


Oscar has a girlfriend.
So does Kermit (though that is in the muppetshow).

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Auze wrote:I don't think there are any examples of puppets being heterosexual. Anyway, as one of the creators said, "their puppets, they have no sexuality, they don't exist below the waist".


Oscar has a girlfriend.
So does Kermit (though that is in the muppetshow).

Damn, fucking Oscar the Grouch got a gf and I don't. :p
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Postby The Grims » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:39 pm

Mushet wrote:
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Oscar has a girlfriend.
So does Kermit (though that is in the muppetshow).

Damn, fucking Oscar the Grouch got a gf and I don't. :p


Sorry ;)

But it does show that Sesamestreet allows puppets to have relationships. As long as they are straight that is even officially acknowledged.
When gay however the puppets are suddenly asexual etc. Because a little boy having a girlfriend is acceptable but him having a boyfriend is not suited for childrens tv.

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Postby Nova Colombian Confederation » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:43 pm

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Nah, just Ernie.

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MERIZoC wrote:Yes Bert is the top

I think it's the other way around.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:32 am

Mushet wrote:(Image)
Nah, just Ernie.


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