The NationStates Feminist Thread III

[Proctopeo]

A man was arrested recently for not paying child support because he was being held hostage for five months and it came due during that time, and after he was saved, he was arrested.

Three points:

1. Reveals the total lack of empathy or consideration for men and their situation put into the laws written with a gynocentric focus in mind

2. A blatant and obvious instance of injustice that would be headline news on all major stations if it occurred to a woman

3. Total lack of feminist outrage and activism over it.

The law demanding that child support be paid is explicit in that a total lack of empathy or concern for men's wellbeing and empathy is enshrined into it as it requires due amounts be paid without regard for physical or financial capability or the person face prison. This incident is not an oversight. It is directly mandated and intentional that the law operate this way, the law is operating as intended in this case and was designed to function this way, which means it wavers back and forth over the line between feminism induced gynocentrism lack of empathy, and outright malice against men.

I'd like a source; however, it's not like I'd be surprised if it's true.

[Des-Bal]

A man was arrested recently for not paying child support because he was being held hostage in Iraq for five months and it came due during that time, and after he was saved, he was arrested.

Three points:

1. Reveals the total lack of empathy or consideration for men and their situation put into the laws written with a gynocentric focus in mind

2. A blatant and obvious instance of injustice that would be headline news on all major stations if it occurred to a woman

3. Total lack of feminist outrage and activism over it.

The law demanding that child support be paid is explicit in that a total lack of empathy or concern for men's wellbeing and empathy is enshrined into it as it requires due amounts be paid without regard for physical or financial capability or the person face prison. This incident is not an oversight. It is directly mandated and intentional that the law operate this way, the law is operating as intended in this case and was designed to function this way, which means it wavers back and forth over the line between feminism induced gynocentrism lack of empathy, and outright malice against men.

The Bradley amendment is a zero tolerance amendment to the point even being in a coma would not matter. This person was a war captive.

The Bradley ammendment also reveals that the common feminist lie that child support is for the needs of the child is false, and the system really is just the abuse, oppression, and exploitation of men, as It allows the other parent to waive the fee and forgive the debt.

It is a system set up to benefit women at the expense of men's health, livelihood, equality, and freedom.

The ammendment was also feminist in intent:

The amendment was intended to correct a perceived imbalance between the power of the obligee usually the mother and the obligor usually the father during subsequent child support disputes. It had been alleged that a significant number of men were running up large child support debts and then finding a sympathetic judge, often in another state, to erase them.

So this is another instance of feminist ideas being applied and causing atrocity and injustice. In this case, we have the added benefit of routine feminist gaslighting over the issue by pretending it's there to help the child, despite the ammendment they pushed for giving the power to waive the debt, and the ammendment noting that the parent is obligated to the other parent. This gaslighting is done to ignore and downplay the oppression of men in society that feminism has caused, but is merely the latest in a long line of abuses by feminists against men, in this case, spreading misinformation to make tackling misandry harder, and psychological abuse of men through gaslighting.

Source?

[Ostroeuropa]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Amendment

In terms of inability to pay there's countless cases and the law has been upheld every time it has been challenged. Sometimes people are released from prison for unrelated matters, then jailed again for failing to pay the amount due during their time in prison. I have to go on a date, i'll be back later.

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A man was arrested recently for not paying child support because he was being held hostage in Iraq for five months and it came due during that time, and after he was saved, he was arrested.

That is absolutely fucked up, but I think rather than being a gender issue it more so reflects the rigidity and capriciousness of the law in general, of which there are many examples. A few years ago, a 14 year old human trafficking victim was criminally charged with prostitution. Or you can have a look at how some people spend a year in jail for the most minor misdemeanors just because they can't make bail, or the guy who was arrested because a cop decided the donut sprinkles in his car might be meth.

I think the moral of the story is "fuck the state."

[Des-Bal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Amendment

In terms of inability to pay there's countless cases and the law has been upheld every time it has been challenged. Sometimes people are released from prison for unrelated matters, then jailed again for failing to pay the amount due during their time in prison. I have to go on a date, i'll be back later.

So when you said recently did you mean during the first gulf war? The only mention of a case like the one you described is the Sherril case, he was arrested and released two hours later the moment someone called a judge. In Sherril's case it was also unclear whether the payments he missed were just the ones from the period he was captured. The issue in the other cases seems to be that child support isn't automatically suspended when you're in jail and people aren't being informed of their rights, the people being required to pay for children that aren't theirs and the guys who had interest and penalties accruing while they were in prison could have motioned to have their payments cut or suspended. The Bradley amendment stops the RETROACTIVE reduction of payments, you have to get the payments reduced before you stop paying them. It's a solid idea but if people don't know they have these options then that's absolutely terrible. Further, I don't like anything that takes away from judicial oversight because when something stupid that law makers didn't think of happens judges should have the power to address it.

edit: And once again if you brought this up in a less maniacal this would be a serious thing to talk about.

[Tahar Joblis]

A man was arrested recently for not paying child support because he was being held hostage in Iraq for five months and it came due during that time, and after he was saved, he was arrested.

That is absolutely fucked up, but I think rather than being a gender issue it more so reflects the rigidity and capriciousness of the law in general, of which there are many examples. A few years ago, a 14 year old human trafficking victim was criminally charged with prostitution. Or you can have a look at how some people spend a year in jail for the most minor misdemeanors just because they can't make bail, or the guy who was arrested because a cop decided the donut sprinkles in his car might be meth.

I think the moral of the story is "fuck the state."

Under normal circumstances, the guiding principle of law is based on intentions and abilities.

This is the difference between accidental death, wrongful death (civil liability), manslaughter (criminal liability), and murder (very major criminal liability). This is differentiated on multiple levels. The exceptions are not accidental and not simply a normal state of affairs in the modern judicial system. They are the result of concerted and significant effort. In this case, it was the widespread use of "deadbeat dads" as a political punching bag in a very gendered way, which brought together feminists and traditional conservatives to produce dehumanizing results.

Rigidity and capriciousness are not the same thing. Most of what you're talking about are examples of capriciousness, but not necessarily rigidity. The people who gave you that news believed that the 14 year old in question was coerced and lacked criminal intent, while the people arresting the 14 year old believed otherwise. The law doesn't require the police to arrest 14 year old victims of human trafficking as a general rule, and gives a great deal of discretion to the judicial system in dealing with minors who do get arrested.

Whacked-out cases of people getting arrested when they shouldn't are examples of human discretion at work in a bad way. Someone who was arrested because a cop thought their doughnut had meth on it are not necessarily going to go to jail for it in the end.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I’ve been gone too long. What are we currently discussing?

[Torrocca]

I’ve been gone too long. What are we currently discussing?

The usual.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I’ve been gone too long. What are we currently discussing?

The usual.

As in?

[Galloism]

A man was arrested recently for not paying child support because he was being held hostage in Iraq for five months and it came due during that time, and after he was saved, he was arrested.

Three points:

1. Reveals the total lack of empathy or consideration for men and their situation put into the laws written with a gynocentric focus in mind

2. A blatant and obvious instance of injustice that would be headline news on all major stations if it occurred to a woman

3. Total lack of feminist outrage and activism over it.

The law demanding that child support be paid is explicit in that a total lack of empathy or concern for men's wellbeing and empathy is enshrined into it as it requires due amounts be paid without regard for physical or financial capability or the person face prison. This incident is not an oversight. It is directly mandated and intentional that the law operate this way, the law is operating as intended in this case and was designed to function this way, which means it wavers back and forth over the line between feminism induced gynocentrism lack of empathy, and outright malice against men.

The Bradley amendment is a zero tolerance amendment to the point even being in a coma would not matter. This person was a war captive.

The Bradley ammendment also reveals that the common feminist lie that child support is for the needs of the child is false, and the system really is just the abuse, oppression, and exploitation of men, as It allows the other parent to waive the fee and forgive the debt.

It is a system set up to benefit women at the expense of men's health, livelihood, equality, and freedom.

The ammendment was also feminist in intent:

The amendment was intended to correct a perceived imbalance between the power of the obligee usually the mother and the obligor usually the father during subsequent child support disputes. It had been alleged that a significant number of men were running up large child support debts and then finding a sympathetic judge, often in another state, to erase them.

So this is another instance of feminist ideas being applied and causing atrocity and injustice. In this case, we have the added benefit of routine feminist gaslighting over the issue by pretending it's there to help the child, despite the ammendment they pushed for giving the power to waive the debt, and the ammendment noting that the parent is obligated to the other parent. This gaslighting is done to ignore and downplay the oppression of men in society that feminism has caused, but is merely the latest in a long line of abuses by feminists against men, in this case, spreading misinformation to make tackling misandry harder, and psychological abuse of men through gaslighting.

I tried searching for this, but all I could find was this article from 1990.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource. ... ug=1109727

Which is certainly fucked up, but hardly recent. Unless you have another incident in mind.

[Torrocca]

The usual.

As in?

Wanton hatred of Feminism that seems to increasingly involve made-up stories as a talking point for why Feminism is so evil.

[West Leas Oros 2]

As in?

Wanton hatred of Feminism that seems to increasingly involve made-up stories as a talking point for why Feminism is so evil.

I’d like the unbiased version, thanks.

[Torrocca]

Wanton hatred of Feminism that seems to increasingly involve made-up stories as a talking point for why Feminism is so evil.

I’d like the unbiased version, thanks.

... That's probably about as unbiased as it'll get. I could write it nicer.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I’d like the unbiased version, thanks.

... That's probably about as unbiased as it'll get. I could write it nicer.

Well I have a topic. From my time spent believing men were the root of all evil, I actually developed a set of circumstances where men could be pretty much eradicated. I don’t know what to do with this villainous knowledge.

[Conserative Morality]

... That's probably about as unbiased as it'll get. I could write it nicer.

Well I have a topic. From my time spent believing men were the root of all evil, I actually developed a set of circumstances where men could be pretty much eradicated. I don’t know what to do with this villainous knowledge.

Do nothing with it. People devise doomsday scenarios all the time, for various reasons. It's not some dangerous beast you have created.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Well I have a topic. From my time spent believing men were the root of all evil, I actually developed a set of circumstances where men could be pretty much eradicated. I don’t know what to do with this villainous knowledge.

Do nothing with it. People devise doomsday scenarios all the time, for various reasons. It's not some dangerous beast you have created.

I meant whether or not I should keep it to myself. It’s surprisingly detailed, and I could imagine it implemented in a truly dire situation.

[Petrasylvania]

Wanton hatred of Feminism that seems to increasingly involve made-up stories as a talking point for why Feminism is so evil.

I’d like the unbiased version, thanks.

Women Have Been Brutally Oppressing Men Since The Dawn Of Time So We Need To Put Them In Their Place.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I’d like the unbiased version, thanks.

Women Have Been Brutally Oppressing Men Since The Dawn Of Time So We Need To Put Them In Their Place.

I said Unbiased, but ok.

[Proctopeo]

Women Have Been Brutally Oppressing Men Since The Dawn Of Time So We Need To Put Them In Their Place.

I said Unbiased, but ok.

Gauth doesn't do unbiased. He only does snide.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I said Unbiased, but ok.

Gauth doesn't do unbiased. He only does snide.

True. Gauth is the sort of person I find in most politics, at least in America.

[Des-Bal]

I said Unbiased, but ok.

The actual subject was the Bradley Amendment which makes it impossible for a judge to retroactively reduce child support. This means that if you owe child support then go to prison, fall into a coma, or find yourself being held as a prisoner by Saddam Hussein and your spouse is not willing to discharge the debt you must make up the payments, penalties, and interest that have accrued. The real problem is that there is absolutely no judicial oversight so no matter how ridiculous the result is there's no way to actually fix it.

Women Have Been Brutally Oppressing Men Since The Dawn Of Time So We Need To Put Them In Their Place.

You know at a certain point I have to wonder whether you're intentionally creating strawmen or you're actually having trouble following conversations.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

As in?

Wanton hatred of Feminism that seems to increasingly involve made-up stories as a talking point for why Feminism is so evil.

tfw you can't in good conscience support mainstream feminism when there's so much shit it's caused, so you say "all that bad stuff dont real lol."

[Torrocca]

Wanton hatred of Feminism that seems to increasingly involve made-up stories as a talking point for why Feminism is so evil.

tfw you can't in good conscience support mainstream feminism when there's so much shit it's caused, so you say "all that bad stuff dont real lol."

I mean I don't support mainstream feminism at all lmao, but on the other hand going, "LITERALLY NAZISM!!1!" or literally making up stories ain't how you address problems inherent to Liberal Feminism.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

tfw you can't in good conscience support mainstream feminism when there's so much shit it's caused, so you say "all that bad stuff dont real lol."

I mean I don't support mainstream feminism at all lmao, but on the other hand going, "LITERALLY NAZISM!!1!" or literally making up stories ain't how you address problems inherent to Liberal Feminism.

What stories are being made up here?

[Torrocca]

I mean I don't support mainstream feminism at all lmao, but on the other hand going, "LITERALLY NAZISM!!1!" or literally making up stories ain't how you address problems inherent to Liberal Feminism.

What stories are being made up here?

"A man was arrested recently for not paying child support because he was being held hostage in Iraq for five months and it came due during that time, and after he was saved, he was arrested."

That one. That one right there.