US Ed Dept Takes Controversial Definition of "Anti-Semitism"

[Des-Bal]

Wait a minute the armaments and rhetoric created by a PC culture may be used as means to censor unpopular opinions? That's ridiculous, how could any person with two braincells to rub together predict and warn of such a thing?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Wait a minute the armaments and rhetoric created by a PC culture may be used as means to censor unpopular opinions? That's ridiculous, how could any person with two braincells to rub together predict and warn of such a thing?

I know right?

[Petrasylvania]

The same guy who said there were Good People On Both Sides at Charlottesville, one of which consisted of a Polo Shirt brigade waving Tiki torches and talking about Jews like they were body snatching alien vegetables.

All you need to understand the inconsistency is that whatever he does is designed to line his pockets and/or promote his brand. Whomever brings future opportunities is the "very fine people" of the hour, whether actually fine or not. If ten minutes from now turning on his current darlings improves his bottom line, they will be vilified across the twitterverse and whatever media will publish it.

It goes to the saying about people pretending to be Nazis attracting real Nazis who think they found kin. Donnie mouthing off empowered them and it doesn't matter if he doesn't really believe that.

[Vassenor]

All you need to understand the inconsistency is that whatever he does is designed to line his pockets and/or promote his brand. Whomever brings future opportunities is the "very fine people" of the hour, whether actually fine or not. If ten minutes from now turning on his current darlings improves his bottom line, they will be vilified across the twitterverse and whatever media will publish it.

It goes to the saying about people pretending to be Nazis attracting real Nazis who think they found kin. Donnie mouthing off empowered them and it doesn't matter if he doesn't really believe that.

"Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company."

[Scomagia]

So, they're basically using the ADL and SPLC working definitions. Absolutely horrible.

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All you need to understand the inconsistency is that whatever he does is designed to line his pockets and/or promote his brand. Whomever brings future opportunities is the "very fine people" of the hour, whether actually fine or not. If ten minutes from now turning on his current darlings improves his bottom line, they will be vilified across the twitterverse and whatever media will publish it.

It goes to the saying about people pretending to be Nazis attracting real Nazis who think they found kin. Donnie mouthing off empowered them and it doesn't matter if he doesn't really believe that.

I don't think Donald Trump is a nazi or a racist, because I don't think Donald Trump actually believes in anything. His goal is to be adored, and he'll take his adoration where he can get it, even if it comes from nazis. I also don't think he is sexist, because he is a sociopath who sees all women and all men as tools to be used for his personal gratification. Nor is he even conservative or right-wing. He'd be preaching communism if that was what he thought would get him the praise he so desperately craves; he is nothing but a conman who can be anyone his mark wants him to be.

[Crockerland]

"Not believing in the Holocaust definitely isn't antisemitism guys, it's time to stop calling Holocaust deniers anti-semitic."

Yeah, you can be anti-semitic without explicitly saying "I hate Jewish people." It's not illegal to be an antisemite because we have something called "Free Speech" in our country which is protected by the First Amendment, and acknowledging that someone saying "Jew- I mean Israelis are inhuman satanic demons" is probably an antisemite does not violate that right.

But civil liberties and free speech groups have opposed the definition. The groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education and PEN America, argue that the definition of anti-Semitism is too broad and would threaten political speech, such as criticism of Israel policy, on college campuses.

Reminder that the ACLU has defended NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association, pro-molestation group), wants to legalize carrying child pornography under free speech laws, and has defended numerous child rapists.

Call it a slippery slope (cause it is) but I can see this coming to bite someone in the ass for making a fairly benign criticism of Israel at some point in their history and someone taking offense and reporting it.

Considering that’s what already happens I’ll believe it
You know how hard it is to complain about human rights violations performed by a government when they can instantly declare anyone who points them out as anti semites?

I don't see anywhere here where it says complaining about human rights violations performed by the Israeli government is anti-semitic.

• Are you associating Israelis with demonic activity?
• Are you denying that the Jewish people have a legitimate right to self-determination like every other people?
• Are you holding Israel to a double-standard for being Jewish-majority?

If no to all three, assuming you're not a holocaust denier or something like that, you're not an antisemite and would not be considered one by the Education Dept.

[Scomagia]

"Not believing in the Holocaust definitely isn't antisemitism guys, it's time to stop calling Holocaust deniers anti-semitic."

Yeah, you can be anti-semitic without explicitly saying "I hate Jewish people." It's not illegal to be an antisemite because we have something called "Free Speech" in our country which is protected by the First Amendment, and acknowledging that someone saying "Jew- I mean Israelis are inhuman satanic demons" is probably an antisemite does not violate that right.

But civil liberties and free speech groups have opposed the definition. The groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education and PEN America, argue that the definition of anti-Semitism is too broad and would threaten political speech, such as criticism of Israel policy, on college campuses.

Reminder that the ACLU has defended NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association, pro-molestation group), wants to legalize carrying child pornography under free speech laws, and has defended numerous child rapists.

Considering that’s what already happens I’ll believe it
You know how hard it is to complain about human rights violations performed by a government when they can instantly declare anyone who points them out as anti semites?

I don't see anywhere here where it says complaining about human rights violations performed by the Israeli government is anti-semitic.

• Are you associating Israelis with demonic activity?
• Are you denying that the Jewish people have a legitimate right to self-determination like every other people?
• Are you holding Israel to a double-standard for being Jewish-majority?

If no to all three, assuming you're not a holocaust denier or something like that, you're not an antisemite and would not be considered one by the Education Dept.

The ACLU defending clients? How dare they! What do they think they are, lawyers or something?

None of the points you listed are Anti-Semitic by any reasonable definition. You can question the ethno-religious basis of Israel or whether the nation should even have been established without being Anti-Semitic. Or you used to be able to, anyway. Now, questioning those things is somehow "hateful", despite the fact that a person can hold different opinions on Israel irrespective of Anti-Semitic beliefs. This is just another example of people turning "anti Israel" into "anti Jew", as though Israel and Jews are synonymous. They aren't.

[NeoOasis]

What does that even mean.

It means that if you want to criticise the Israeli government for mass internment of its own people who protest its actions, use of white phospherous on civilians, use of disproportionate deadly force on civilians, illegally occupying other territorries, sterilizing black women without their knowledge or consent, shelling civilian occupied areas, restricting access to humanitarian aid etc. You also must be willing to criticise other democratic countries that do the same sort of thing.

Good thing I do criticise other governments for the shit things they do. Who knew all I needed was consistency to avoid being accused of anti-Semitism... even if it's the Israeli government I have issues with, not Judaism.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don’t see a problem in the wording per se
It does annoy me we’re doubling down on “none shall oppose Israel”

Call it a slippery slope (cause it is) but I can see this coming to bite someone in the ass for making a fairly benign criticism of Israel at some point in their history and someone taking offense and reporting it.

That's the rub. It will be used to suppress, shut down conversation or criticism and, as horrible as it is to hate someone because they're Jewish, Israel should not be above criticism when it is deserved. No political entity or country should be held above criticism. This is not a good idea.

[MERIZoC]

What on earth would make you say that? Zionists have a track record of working with nazis and other such anti semites and Trump's alliance with the Israel lobby is no exception.

As I said, "bright side".

But what you said isn't true.

[Chestaan]

This has recently become a problem in the UK, where pressure has been put on Jeremy Corbyn to adopt the same definition. When he resisted this, the entire media, including those generally considered "progressive" turned on him and called him an anti-semite.

[Saiwania]

Yes a bastion of equality. That’s why they’ve been charged with committing an ethnic cleansing campaign

Nearly everyone would want their neighbors gone as well, if said people launched rockets and conducted all manner of guerilla warfare against you on a near daily basis. So far as I can tell, if the "Biblical solution" of one tribe physically driving out another tribe were taken; the dispute would be ended right then and there- in that there would be but one victor to rule over the land and enjoy the peace which is won.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yes a bastion of equality. That’s why they’ve been charged with committing an ethnic cleansing campaign

Nearly everyone would want their neighbors gone as well, if said people launched rockets and conducted all manner of guerilla warfare against you on a near daily basis. So far as I can tell, if the "Biblical solution" of one tribe physically driving out another tribe were taken; the dispute would be ended right then and there- in that there would be but one victor to rule over the land and enjoy the peace which is won.

I tend to side against ethnic cleansing no matter the circumstances

[Albrenia]

Nearly everyone would want their neighbors gone as well, if said people launched rockets and conducted all manner of guerilla warfare against you on a near daily basis. So far as I can tell, if the "Biblical solution" of one tribe physically driving out another tribe were taken; the dispute would be ended right then and there- in that there would be but one victor to rule over the land and enjoy the peace which is won.

I tend to side against ethnic cleansing no matter the circumstances

Yeah, same.

[Kowani]

Nearly everyone would want their neighbors gone as well, if said people launched rockets and conducted all manner of guerilla warfare against you on a near daily basis. So far as I can tell, if the "Biblical solution" of one tribe physically driving out another tribe were taken; the dispute would be ended right then and there- in that there would be but one victor to rule over the land and enjoy the peace which is won.

I tend to side against ethnic cleansing no matter the circumstances

Well, this only took 2 pages to turn into a “Israel v. Palestine debate”, didn’t it?
As a secondary note, Israel is by no means innocent, but the shelling of civilian areas is something they get too much criticism for, and for one simple reason: Nobody seems to realize that Hamas likes using those civilian areas as launching spots for their rockets. Firstly: Under International Law, those spots lose their protected status the second a rocket goes up, so complaining about “But muh International Law” isn’t exactly going to work.
Secondly: What are they supposed to do, let Hamas shoot at them? Yes, it sucks that innocent people die, but if a rocket’s coming at me, I’m wiping out whoever shot it. I can’t just drop a squadron in, so what other choice do I have?
Thirdly: The Palestinian ghettos suck. No doubt about it. However, the way to get out is not shooting at Israel. It’s not gonna work.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I tend to side against ethnic cleansing no matter the circumstances

Well, this only took 2 pages to turn into a “Israel v. Palestine debate”, didn’t it?
As a secondary note, Israel is by no means innocent, but the shelling of civilian areas is something they get too much criticism for, and for one simple reason: Nobody seems to realize that Hamas likes using those civilian areas as launching spots for their rockets. Firstly: Under International Law, those spots lose their protected status the second a rocket goes up, so complaining about “But muh International Law” isn’t exactly going to work.
Secondly: What are they supposed to do, let Hamas shoot at them? Yes, it sucks that innocent people die, but if a rocket’s coming at me, I’m wiping out whoever shot it. I can’t just drop a squadron in, so what other choice do I have?
Thirdly: The Palestinian ghettos suck. No doubt about it. However, the way to get out is not shooting at Israel. It’s not gonna work.

I’m not talking about about the attacks against Hamas

[Dahon]

As I said, "bright side".

But what you said isn't true.

As we know nothing of Trump's opinions towards Jews beyond gossip, his barb at Jon Stewart, ad scattered statements, I'll err on the safe side.

[MERIZoC]

But what you said isn't true.

As we know nothing of Trump's opinions towards Jews beyond gossip, his barb at Jon Stewart, ad scattered statements, I'll err on the safe side.

"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

[Sovaal]

I say we sink the Holy Land into the Sea. Evidently we can't all get along.

[Kowani]

I say we sink the Holy Land into the Sea. Evidently we can't all get along.

So what do we do with all the people who live there?

[Sovaal]

I say we sink the Holy Land into the Sea. Evidently we can't all get along.

So what do we do with all the people who live there?

Use them to jumpstart space colonisation. On different planets of course. Altough the far more liekly scenario involving the destruction of the holy land is that they die in nuclear fire.

[Kowani]

So what do we do with all the people who live there?

Use them to jumpstart space colonisation. On different planets of course. Altough the far more liekly scenario involving the destruction of the holy land is that they die in nuclear fire.

...Let’s not do that then.

[Albrenia]

I say we sink the Holy Land into the Sea. Evidently we can't all get along.

It's too bad there's no way to wipe away all the bad blood between all the folks living there without some impossible and unethical mindfuckery.

[Sovaal]

I say we sink the Holy Land into the Sea. Evidently we can't all get along.

It's too bad there's no way to wipe away all the bad blood between all the folks living there without some impossible and unethical mindfuckery.

‘Tis a shame.