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by Kenmoria » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:21 am
Jebslund wrote:Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:They r more than welcome to not endorse the delegate if they want. It decrease their WA vote power when the delegate votes against the majority but the issue is awareness of WA membersand the multiple functions a delegate serves like leading a region
[OOC: Except that some regions require all members to endorse the delegate.]
United Massachusetts authored the last proposal, and Imperium Anglorum did this one. That said, IA co-authored the prior one, so the point does stand. However, that doesn’t mean the proposal is bad solely for this, it could be seen as a positive that this is the latest in a series of iterative drafts.Cornlind wrote:I heard that the same person did this one and the last one but changed a few things so I think we should all vote NO I said NO NO NO
I wouldn’t worry, there’s a repeal currently being drafted and the GA masses seem to like repealing things quite a lot, so I’m sure this torment won’t be over very soon. :) )Syrixia wrote:Well shit, it looks like this is gonna pass. :/
by Ardiveds » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:53 am
by Dulveus » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:17 pm
by Ghost Land » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:00 pm
Dulveus wrote:Why don't you just go ahead and write all my laws for me while you're at it?
Also: "Subject to World Assembly legislation, member nations are permitted to sentence and carry out capital punishment within their jurisdictions."
This is why I have voted against this resolution.
by Afra Radna-viane » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:15 pm
Ghost Land wrote:Dulveus wrote:Why don't you just go ahead and write all my laws for me while you're at it?
Also: "Subject to World Assembly legislation, member nations are permitted to sentence and carry out capital punishment within their jurisdictions."
This is why I have voted against this resolution.
I agree. Next thing you know every single aspect of our nations is going to be dictated by the WA. Part of the fun of NationStates is making your own psychotic dictatorship where people can be executed for taking an odd number of fries, darn it!
by Kenmoria » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:22 pm
Ghost Land wrote:Dulveus wrote:Why don't you just go ahead and write all my laws for me while you're at it?
Also: "Subject to World Assembly legislation, member nations are permitted to sentence and carry out capital punishment within their jurisdictions."
This is why I have voted against this resolution.
I agree. Next thing you know every single aspect of our nations is going to be dictated by the WA. Part of the fun of NationStates is making your own psychotic dictatorship where people can be executed for taking an odd number of fries, darn it!
by Oberghtap » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:34 pm
by Afra Radna-viane » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:46 pm
Oberghtap wrote:(OOC: This is my first in character post so if I post something in character that seems to miss the point please feel free to say so in character.)
As a member of this assembly, such as it is, I feel it is my duty to vote against this proposal. If it passes, what is to say that the WA will not dictate other laws? What is to say that they will not dictate how to run a nation's economy? I stand on the principle that if you commit a crime, no matter what the crime is, you must answer for it with a punishment commensurate to the crime and of course that means a fair trial. If they are found guilty then the sentence will be carried out but If that means putting one to death because they committed a capital offense then so be it. If you rob a bank, you serve jail time. If you graffiti a wall you must clean it. What is society going to be like if there is no system of law to protect it? It will become a lawless, anarchic, apocalypse is what it will be. That is why, in keeping with my principles, I will be voting no on this proposal.
(OOC: Sorry about this. I am new to this and hopefully I have not offended anyone with this.)
by Ghost Land » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:49 pm
Kenmoria wrote:Ghost Land wrote:I agree. Next thing you know every single aspect of our nations is going to be dictated by the WA. Part of the fun of NationStates is making your own psychotic dictatorship where people can be executed for taking an odd number of fries, darn it!
(OOC: That is when one doesn’t join the WA, as it is not very well suited to psychotic dictatorships where you can be executed for taking an odd number of fries. Or, just create a World Assembly puppet state.)
Afra Radna-viane wrote:Ghost Land wrote:I agree. Next thing you know every single aspect of our nations is going to be dictated by the WA. Part of the fun of NationStates is making your own psychotic dictatorship where people can be executed for taking an odd number of fries, darn it!
"But you need not be part of this Assembly. I am not, and for the moment we are quite happy to be so."
by Uncastania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:54 pm
by Nova Trieste » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:58 pm
Nova Trieste wrote:Arasi Luvasa wrote:
"It is one case per a million a year. If there is a case involving thirteen individuals, then all thirteen would be executed but it would only register as one case."
"Oh, that's sound more reasonable. But just to be sure, the WA Capital Divison will have jurisdiction over both military and civil investigations?"
by Afra Radna-viane » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:34 pm
by Crawland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:08 pm
by Battlion » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:29 pm
Crawland wrote:I personally believe that capital punishment should be legal. If a person is convicted of a serious or heinous crime they should be executed. My belief is based on an old philosophy an eye for an eye in this case a life for a life. I am completely up for a debate and I have an open mind on this topic. My decision as of now is to vote against this resolution. I believe this should be up to the nation not the World Assembly.
by Nagatoshi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:55 pm
by Crawland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:42 pm
Battlion wrote:Crawland wrote:I personally believe that capital punishment should be legal. If a person is convicted of a serious or heinous crime they should be executed. My belief is based on an old philosophy an eye for an eye in this case a life for a life. I am completely up for a debate and I have an open mind on this topic. My decision as of now is to vote against this resolution. I believe this should be up to the nation not the World Assembly.
“This proposal does not make capital punishment, illegal.”
by Cosmopolitan borovan » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:57 pm
Nagatoshi wrote:As this proposal is clearly headed to pass, I have this to declare: The authoritarian nature of this proposal goes outside the jurisdiction of the World Assembly. The nature of this document to become so entrenched in the national politics of every nation here will ultimately make the World Assembly into the World Government. As such, Nagatoshi has found itself unable to support the World Assembly any longer and therefore withdraws from the organization.
Though we do not encourage other nations to do the same, the nature of the last two proposals show a decline in the democratic and free nature that the World Assembly was originally supposed to support. The very fact that the same nation proposed a restriction on capital punishment right after the proposal of a ban on the action is simply a veil of the motives of said nation. Any supporters that switched sides from Against to For simply ignore the in depth text right in front of them rather due to it 'sounding nicer' rather than really delving into the hidden motives this text supplies. An eventual downfall of individualism in the World Assembly will occur, and I will not stand for it.
Nagatoshi now removes itself from the World assembly to keep its sovereignty and personal freedoms not controlled by a corrupt council where decisions are decided in the hands of a few rather than the many. Thank you, and good luck with your dictators.
by Cosmopolitan borovan » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:31 pm
Preventing the Execution of Innocents was passed 9,244 votes to 8,475.
by Oberghtap » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:56 pm
Afra Radna-viane wrote:Oberghtap wrote:(OOC: This is my first in character post so if I post something in character that seems to miss the point please feel free to say so in character.)
As a member of this assembly, such as it is, I feel it is my duty to vote against this proposal. If it passes, what is to say that the WA will not dictate other laws? What is to say that they will not dictate how to run a nation's economy? I stand on the principle that if you commit a crime, no matter what the crime is, you must answer for it with a punishment commensurate to the crime and of course that means a fair trial. If they are found guilty then the sentence will be carried out but If that means putting one to death because they committed a capital offense then so be it. If you rob a bank, you serve jail time. If you graffiti a wall you must clean it. What is society going to be like if there is no system of law to protect it? It will become a lawless, anarchic, apocalypse is what it will be. That is why, in keeping with my principles, I will be voting no on this proposal.
(OOC: Sorry about this. I am new to this and hopefully I have not offended anyone with this.)
"I do not see how any of that supports your argument? This law does not argue against punishing criminals."
by Kenmoria » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:31 pm
Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Preventing the Execution of Innocents was passed 9,244 votes to 8,475.
by Tel Maresh » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:03 am
West Phoenicia wrote:Nations need to realise when you endorse you are allowing that super delegate to place their vote where they choose. Even though a number who endorsed this super delegate voted against the proposal when they were an individual. If you're going to let your super delegate vote than that should be it.
Nagatoshi wrote:As this proposal is clearly headed to pass, I have this to declare: The authoritarian nature of this proposal goes outside the jurisdiction of the World Assembly. The nature of this document to become so entrenched in the national politics of every nation here will ultimately make the World Assembly into the World Government. As such, Nagatoshi has found itself unable to support the World Assembly any longer and therefore withdraws from the organization.
Though we do not encourage other nations to do the same, the nature of the last two proposals show a decline in the democratic and free nature that the World Assembly was originally supposed to support. The very fact that the same nation proposed a restriction on capital punishment right after the proposal of a ban on the action is simply a veil of the motives of said nation. Any supporters that switched sides from Against to For simply ignore the in depth text right in front of them rather due to it 'sounding nicer' rather than really delving into the hidden motives this text supplies. An eventual downfall of individualism in the World Assembly will occur, and I will not stand for it.
Nagatoshi now removes itself from the World assembly to keep its sovereignty and personal freedoms not controlled by a corrupt council where decisions are decided in the hands of a few rather than the many. Thank you, and good luck with your dictators.
by True Spain » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:44 am
by Bears Armed Mission » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:38 am
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