Gun storage dilemma

[Chestaan]

They wouldn't be punished for the murder, they would be punished for not keeping the gun secured.

by this logic someone who steals a car and runs over someone would be charged for murder but the owner of the vehicle would be charged for leaving the vehicle unsecure(or the person simply broke into the vehicle)

Again, we can treat different goods differently. And guns are much easier to secure when not in use than cars.

[Aclion]

Let's start charging gun control advocates as accessories in any crime that could have been prevented by a good-guy-with-a-gun^tm. You know, while we're holding political enemies responsible for the criminal actions of others.

[Crockerland]

The number of people killed by guns through suicide or domestic violence exceeds the number of people killed by burglars by an enormous margin. Like ~100 to 20,000+, two hundred gun suicides for every burglary homicide.

When guns are not in use they should have the bolt removed or made inactive through other means, locked in a safe, and any ammunition should also be locked up. In fact try not to keep ammo in your house if you can avoid it, start a range trip by buying ammo. If you have the chance to lock up your guns at a shooting range or police station you should definitely do so.

There are plenty of reasons to own guns, but unless you've pissed off a cartel or something you are not making yourself safer. At all.

How Statistics Don't Work: Volume I

[Thermodolia]

I am Military Police

Fuck, well I'm wrong. Eh, I guess you do then. Congrats.

Your point?

My previous point was that he was not in as much peril as the police.

I mean he could be living in a shit area like me

[Internationalist Bastard]

The time we’d save having the gun out and ready compared to walking to the safe and putting in the combo is so miniscule that if it’d make a difference we’d have to have cowboy reflexes to stand a chance

The idea is the stress of the situation will make it difficult to access a safe. And it all depends on where the safe is, I suppose. I'd really just have some information available on safe and concealed (yet still accessible) areas in a bedroom/living area/whatever where one could keep a loaded firearm.

Personally, I'm not worried about home invasions all that much - should it happen, I might try to go for my usually-locked up 1911 if I have the time, but I'll take my chances with a baseball bat (I also live in an apartment, so I'm worried about overpenetration, even if .45 doesn't typically do that) should it come down to it.

Eh, you’ve got two soldiers in the house who run drills for securing the house. Honestly recommend it if that’s your plan

[Kash Island]

Fuck, well I'm wrong. Eh, I guess you do then. Congrats.

My previous point was that he was not in as much peril as the police.

I mean he could be living in a shit area like me

I actually don't live in a bad area, but that is ultimately, besides the point.

[The South Falls]

Someone making sense today.

Yes but you shouldn’t have to be forced to lock them up. I don’t keep the safe locked at all when I’m home. And my truck gun is kept in the glove box

Eh, it's a truck gun. People who carjack generally have weapons with them.

I never said you should be forced to lock up your weapons. I said it's a great idea, and keeping them out of the reach of kids is something we should do.

[Kash Island]

Yes but you shouldn’t have to be forced to lock them up. I don’t keep the safe locked at all when I’m home. And my truck gun is kept in the glove box

Eh, it's a truck gun. People who carjack generally have weapons with them.

I never said you should be forced to lock up your weapons. I said it's a great idea, and keeping them out of the reach of kids is something we should do.

agreed, but there are those that believe you should be turned into a criminal because some other individuals commits a crime after committing the crime of theft.

[Tule]

The number of people killed by guns through suicide or domestic violence exceeds the number of people killed by burglars by an enormous margin. Like ~100 to 20,000+, two hundred gun suicides for every burglary homicide.

When guns are not in use they should have the bolt removed or made inactive through other means, locked in a safe, and any ammunition should also be locked up. In fact try not to keep ammo in your house if you can avoid it, start a range trip by buying ammo. If you have the chance to lock up your guns at a shooting range or police station you should definitely do so.

There are plenty of reasons to own guns, but unless you've pissed off a cartel or something you are not making yourself safer. At all.

How Statistics Don't Work: Volume I

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... p_2015.xls

Take a look yourself.

[Thermodolia]

The time we’d save having the gun out and ready compared to walking to the safe and putting in the combo is so miniscule that if it’d make a difference we’d have to have cowboy reflexes to stand a chance

The idea is the stress of the situation will make it difficult to access a safe. And it all depends on where the safe is, I suppose. I'd really just have some information available on safe and concealed (yet still accessible) areas in a bedroom/living area/whatever where one could keep a loaded firearm.

Personally, I'm not worried about home invasions all that much - should it happen, I might try to go for my usually-locked up 1911 if I have the time, but I'll take my chances with a baseball bat (I also live in an apartment, so I'm worried about overpenetration, even if .45 doesn't typically do that) should it come down to it.

I have a 9mm S&W M&P shield that I keep in a biometric safe that’s in my dresser. That gun is always loaded so that’s why it’s in the safe. I just put my fingers on the safe and it pops open.

I’d recommend a biometric safe.

[Kash Island]

The idea is the stress of the situation will make it difficult to access a safe. And it all depends on where the safe is, I suppose. I'd really just have some information available on safe and concealed (yet still accessible) areas in a bedroom/living area/whatever where one could keep a loaded firearm.

Personally, I'm not worried about home invasions all that much - should it happen, I might try to go for my usually-locked up 1911 if I have the time, but I'll take my chances with a baseball bat (I also live in an apartment, so I'm worried about overpenetration, even if .45 doesn't typically do that) should it come down to it.

I have a 9mm S&W M&P shield that I keep in a biometric safe that’s in my dresser. That gun is always loaded so that’s why it’s in the safe. I just put my fingers on the safe and it pops open.

I’d recommend a biometric safe.

meh, I just have it unchambered next to my bed so i can reach for it, rack the slide and rocknroll.

to each their own I guess.

[The South Falls]

Fuck, well I'm wrong. Eh, I guess you do then. Congrats.

My previous point was that he was not in as much peril as the police.

I mean he could be living in a shit area like me

True, that's another of those "peril" things.

[The South Falls]

Eh, it's a truck gun. People who carjack generally have weapons with them.

I never said you should be forced to lock up your weapons. I said it's a great idea, and keeping them out of the reach of kids is something we should do.

agreed, but there are those that believe you should be turned into a criminal because some other individuals commits a crime after committing the crime of theft.

Yea, that's a crazy position I've never agreed with. But, we're all entitled to all beliefs.

[Thermodolia]

Yes but you shouldn’t have to be forced to lock them up. I don’t keep the safe locked at all when I’m home. And my truck gun is kept in the glove box

Eh, it's a truck gun. People who carjack generally have weapons with them.

I never said you should be forced to lock up your weapons. I said it's a great idea, and keeping them out of the reach of kids is something we should do.

Alright cool.

[The South Falls]

Eh, it's a truck gun. People who carjack generally have weapons with them.

I never said you should be forced to lock up your weapons. I said it's a great idea, and keeping them out of the reach of kids is something we should do.

Alright cool.

Good to know we're cool.

[Thermodolia]

I have a 9mm S&W M&P shield that I keep in a biometric safe that’s in my dresser. That gun is always loaded so that’s why it’s in the safe. I just put my fingers on the safe and it pops open.

I’d recommend a biometric safe.

meh, I just have it unchambered next to my bed so i can reach for it, rack the slide and rocknroll.

to each their own I guess.

I keep that gun chambered so ya.

[Kash Island]

meh, I just have it unchambered next to my bed so i can reach for it, rack the slide and rocknroll.

to each their own I guess.

I keep that gun chambered so ya.

I chamber a round if I'm leaving the house, otherwise, meh, it's just something I do(just in case worst case scenario a kid does happen to make it up stairs)

regardless, chambering a round takes very very little time and when I sleep my bedroom door is locked.

[Thermodolia]

I keep that gun chambered so ya.

I chamber a round if I'm leaving the house, otherwise, meh, it's just something I do(just in case worst case scenario a kid does happen to make it up stairs)

regardless, chambering a round takes very very little time and when I sleep my bedroom door is locked.

Ya I live in a shitty area. My neighborhood isn’t bad but the one just down from us is pretty bad.

I don’t sleep with door locked because of the way my house is built.

[The South Falls]

I chamber a round if I'm leaving the house, otherwise, meh, it's just something I do(just in case worst case scenario a kid does happen to make it up stairs)

regardless, chambering a round takes very very little time and when I sleep my bedroom door is locked.

Ya I live in a shitty area. My neighborhood isn’t bad but the one just down from us is pretty bad.

I don’t sleep with door locked because of the way my house is built.

That's a very odd house.

[Thermodolia]

Ya I live in a shitty area. My neighborhood isn’t bad but the one just down from us is pretty bad.

I don’t sleep with door locked because of the way my house is built.

That's a very odd house.

The house is older and the bedrooms don’t have locks. The bathroom locks barely work

[Kash Island]

That's a very odd house.

The house is older and the bedrooms don’t have locks. The bathroom locks barely work

may I recommend at least getting a lock installed on your master bed room, I lock it at night so that if someone manages to break into my house it gives me more time to react.

[US-SSR]

Here is the gist of what I know about handguns and their storage, courtesy of an Embassy security officer in Colombia.

A handgun is a tool for taking human life at close range. It is useless for anything else, including as a deterrant. If you choose to own a handgun you must be prepared to kill anyone you feel is coming to kill you. Not incapacitate, not wound. Kill.

There is only one safe way to store a handgun. The gun body in one location, locked. The magazine or cylinder in a second location, locked. And the ammunition in a third location, locked. Under no conceivable circumstances outside of action movies will you be under threat of your life in less time than it takes you to unlock your gun, magazine or cylinder and ammunition and put them together.

Even if you are prepared to kill anyone coming to kill you, even if you store your gun as above, you had damn well better not be depressive, alcoholic or addicted in the least degree or live with anyone who is. If not you are much, much more likely to harm yourself or someone close to you than you are to deter or stop an intruder.

Here endeth the lesson.

[Aclion]

Here is the gist of what I know about handguns and their storage, courtesy of an Embassy security officer in Colombia.

There is only one safe way to store a handgun. The gun body in one location, locked. The magazine or cylinder in a second location, locked. And the ammunition in a third location, locked. Under no conceivable circumstances outside of action movies will you be under threat of your life in less time than it takes you to unlock your gun, magazine or cylinder and ammunition and put them together.

Lol just say you want to ban self defense. This is pathetic.

[New Frenco Empire]

The idea is the stress of the situation will make it difficult to access a safe. And it all depends on where the safe is, I suppose. I'd really just have some information available on safe and concealed (yet still accessible) areas in a bedroom/living area/whatever where one could keep a loaded firearm.

Personally, I'm not worried about home invasions all that much - should it happen, I might try to go for my usually-locked up 1911 if I have the time, but I'll take my chances with a baseball bat (I also live in an apartment, so I'm worried about overpenetration, even if .45 doesn't typically do that) should it come down to it.

I have a 9mm S&W M&P shield that I keep in a biometric safe that’s in my dresser. That gun is always loaded so that’s why it’s in the safe. I just put my fingers on the safe and it pops open.

I’d recommend a biometric safe.

I’m definitely going to look into better solutions, but alas, I’m a college with a limited gun budget.

Even still, I’d use the pistol more for deterrence purposes. I’m of the impression, at least in my area, that most petty burglars aren’t going to suffer a murder charge (or get killed) for the electronics in my living space. I do keep the loaded magazine with it just in case, though.

[Kash Island]

Here is the gist of what I know about handguns and their storage, courtesy of an Embassy security officer in Colombia.

There is only one safe way to store a handgun. The gun body in one location, locked. The magazine or cylinder in a second location, locked. And the ammunition in a third location, locked. Under no conceivable circumstances outside of action movies will you be under threat of your life in less time than it takes you to unlock your gun, magazine or cylinder and ammunition and put them together.

Lol just say you want to ban self defense. This is pathetic.

was thinking the same thing lol