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Do you support the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh

Yes I support his confirmation allegations against him are likely false or insufficient evidence
108
45%
Yes I support his confirmation even though the allegations against him are likely true but they are just too old
1
0%
Yes I support his confirmation because of judicial philosophy regardless of the allegations being true or false
13
5%
No I am against his confirmation because the allegations are likely true
24
10%
No I am against his confirmation because of his judicial philosophy (pick this if both please)
92
39%
 
Total votes : 238

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:12 am

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Communist Xomaniax wrote:The Republicans launched ten individual investigations, one after the other, into Benghazi and attempted fifty-four times to repeal Obamacare. It's the new normal now.


Well if we follow the Garland example; Kav should be held up for up to 400 days while the truth is sorted out.


You're welcome to write ol' McConnell and suggest it.
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:15 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:The Republicans launched ten individual investigations, one after the other, into Benghazi and attempted fifty-four times to repeal Obamacare. It's the new normal now.


Well if we follow the Garland example; Kav should be held up for up to 400 days while the truth is sorted out.

Are you suggesting holding Republicans to the standards they created? Unprecedented. Are you sure you're a Democrat?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:16 am

Telconi wrote:
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Well if we follow the Garland example; Kav should be held up for up to 400 days while the truth is sorted out.


You're welcome to write ol' McConnell and suggest it.


:D As if it there would even be a chance.
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Postby Jerzyland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:50 am

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Let's go with a bit more recent example. Al Franken, did he also received any benefit of the doubt? He was a comedian joking around. Kavan ugh should withdraw his nomination.

A nominee for justice on the SCOTUS must be beyond reproach. This man clearly is not.


This is absurd, nobody is beyone reproach.


What is absurd is the hypocrisy across the aisle.

*cough*
Al Franken
*cough*

A person in high office in the US should not be able to be compromised bc of some stupid shit in his past. It's disqualifying. But I know Republicans have a blind spot in this area. *place image of Trump here*
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:56 am

Jerzyland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
This is absurd, nobody is beyone reproach.


What is absurd is the hypocrisy across the aisle.

*cough*
Al Franken
*cough*

A person in high office in the US should not be able to be compromised bc of some stupid shit in his past. It's disqualifying. But I know Republicans have a blind spot in this area. *place image of Trump here*


I must have missed the part where the opposite party kicked Franken out.

As for that blind spot, such working implies there's something worth noticing that they are ignoring.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:58 am

Why are all of these accusations coming out right after Kavanaugh passed his Senate Hearing test, and didn't even become a meme? The latter was reserved for Cory "I am Spartacus" Booker. Yes, I'm aware that he didn't claim to be Spartacus, but he did claim that it was almost his "Spartacus Moment" and so now we go to the accusations.

Don't get me wrong, the Democrats are right to call out Republicans for being hypocritical, and giving Merrick Garland one type of treatment, and Brett Kavanaugh another type of treatment. And yet, the Democrats are also being hypocritical, for the exact same reason. It's back to your "my side yay, your side boo!" interpretation. This is a critical moment for the Democrats. If the Republicans can confirm Kavanaugh before November, that will solidify the Republican hold of the Senate, since they are currently slated to get 54 seats, and Kavanaugh being nominated will hurt the Democrats in the midterms. Why is this important?

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 85, and with Trump as president, and the Republican Senate for the next two years, ufff. Additionally, even if Ginsburg lives, the Supreme Court Nomination card can once against be played by the Republicans in 2020 Presidential Election. And in 2020 the Republicans will reclaim Alabama, meaning that the Democrats will now have to win five Senate seats as well as holding Michigan, Minnesota, and New Hampshire. And if that fails to happen, and Trump wins reelection, you'd be looking at a 6-3 Republican Supreme Court.

So while I can emphasize with the Democrats not wanting that to happen, let's not pretend that this is about Brett Kavanaugh's Sexcapades, anymore than Merrick Garland's nomination was denied because he was somehow unfit for the Court. So, Obama, how's not endorsing Bernie Sanders working out for your legacy?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:02 am

And surprise surprise, the alt-right has reacted to this situation in apparently the only way it knows how.

Mike Cernovich Doxes Kavanaugh Sexual Assault Victim, Twitter Does Nothing
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:03 am

Vassenor wrote:And surprise surprise, the alt-right has reacted to this situation in apparently the only way it knows how.

Mike Cernovich Doxes Kavanaugh Sexual Assault Victim, Twitter Does Nothing


Cernovich, dictionary definition of douchecanoe.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:15 am

Shofercia wrote:Why are all of these accusations coming out right after Kavanaugh passed his Senate Hearing test, and didn't even become a meme? The latter was reserved for Cory "I am Spartacus" Booker. Yes, I'm aware that he didn't claim to be Spartacus, but he did claim that it was almost his "Spartacus Moment" and so now we go to the accusations.

Don't get me wrong, the Democrats are right to call out Republicans for being hypocritical, and giving Merrick Garland one type of treatment, and Brett Kavanaugh another type of treatment. And yet, the Democrats are also being hypocritical, for the exact same reason. It's back to your "my side yay, your side boo!" interpretation. This is a critical moment for the Democrats. If the Republicans can confirm Kavanaugh before November, that will solidify the Republican hold of the Senate, since they are currently slated to get 54 seats, and Kavanaugh being nominated will hurt the Democrats in the midterms. Why is this important?

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 85, and with Trump as president, and the Republican Senate for the next two years, ufff. Additionally, even if Ginsburg lives, the Supreme Court Nomination card can once against be played by the Republicans in 2020 Presidential Election. And in 2020 the Republicans will reclaim Alabama, meaning that the Democrats will now have to win five Senate seats as well as holding Michigan, Minnesota, and New Hampshire. And if that fails to happen, and Trump wins reelection, you'd be looking at a 6-3 Republican Supreme Court.



This prediction requires so many assumptions, some of which aren't supported by a lot of hard evidence, that I don't even really think it's worth considering and you should stop that right now.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:28 am

Vassenor wrote:And surprise surprise, the alt-right has reacted to this situation in apparently the only way it knows how.

Mike Cernovich Doxes Kavanaugh Sexual Assault Victim, Twitter Does Nothing


So this would be fair in his view of fair use of the internet...

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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:36 am

Oh boy, the letter was released, and form a judicial standpoint it'd be a nightmare to prosecute if it even can given the statue of limitations, as the therapy in question took place 3 decades after the alleged incident and was according to it the first talk of it.

Yeah I can see why Feinstein held onto this. It is certainly not a flattering letter for Kav, but chances are with time it would not even reach a hearing much less a trial.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:40 am

So, I'm hearing Flake wants the woman to speak before they move Kavanaugh's nomination forward. Given he's on the Judicial Committee (and whether he acts on his words), it throws a wrench into Trump's plans. Flake's Revenge?
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:46 am

Zurkerx wrote:So, I'm hearing Flake wants the woman to speak before they move Kavanaugh's nomination forward. Given he's on the Judicial Committee (and whether he acts on his words), it throws a wrench into Trump's plans. Flake's Revenge?


Nope. Probably won't pass the smell test and in the best case stink up the election. The way Feinstein handled it makes it look like a smear and the FBI have already said with present evidence they are not going to launch an investigation.

It would be different that if Miss Ford was scheduled for a hearing now, but since this has been effectively sat upon since July chances are that won't happen.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:10 pm

Vassenor wrote:Also, you know that list of sixty-five women who all came forward to support him?

Yeah, it turns out most of them didn't know what they were signing, and now only two of them still stand by him.

Where's the source that they didn't know what they were signing?
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:19 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Why are all of these accusations coming out right after Kavanaugh passed his Senate Hearing test, and didn't even become a meme? The latter was reserved for Cory "I am Spartacus" Booker. Yes, I'm aware that he didn't claim to be Spartacus, but he did claim that it was almost his "Spartacus Moment" and so now we go to the accusations.

Don't get me wrong, the Democrats are right to call out Republicans for being hypocritical, and giving Merrick Garland one type of treatment, and Brett Kavanaugh another type of treatment. And yet, the Democrats are also being hypocritical, for the exact same reason. It's back to your "my side yay, your side boo!" interpretation. This is a critical moment for the Democrats. If the Republicans can confirm Kavanaugh before November, that will solidify the Republican hold of the Senate, since they are currently slated to get 54 seats, and Kavanaugh being nominated will hurt the Democrats in the midterms. Why is this important?

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 85, and with Trump as president, and the Republican Senate for the next two years, ufff. Additionally, even if Ginsburg lives, the Supreme Court Nomination card can once against be played by the Republicans in 2020 Presidential Election. And in 2020 the Republicans will reclaim Alabama, meaning that the Democrats will now have to win five Senate seats as well as holding Michigan, Minnesota, and New Hampshire. And if that fails to happen, and Trump wins reelection, you'd be looking at a 6-3 Republican Supreme Court.



This prediction requires so many assumptions, some of which aren't supported by a lot of hard evidence, that I don't even really think it's worth considering and you should stop that right now.


Care to list the assumptions? First paragraph - Booker's questioning is widely mocked and memed, and Kavanaugh seems to have passed that test. Second paragraph - the hypocritical Kavanaugh/Garland treatment by both political parties is a fact. The first assumption I'm making, and it's actually more of a presumption, is that the Republicans will have 54 Senate seats.

9 Republican seats are up for reelection, and 24 Democratic seats. The only seat that Republicans might lose is Nevada's. However, they're leading 51-47. If they can take just four of the eleven Trumpy states, namely Montana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Florida, Missouri, hey - that's 54.

Ginsburg's 85. That's a fact. The Republicans successfully played the Supreme Court card in 2016, and a repeat in 2020 isn't out of the question. That's a fact. Republicans reclaiming Alabama? An almost certainty. Where are the assumptions? There really are only two assumptions, and one, the 54 senate seats, is based on concrete evidence. The other, namely the 2020 Presidential Election, will also depend on who the Democrats nominate, which is the only X factor in that prediction.
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Postby Jerzyland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
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What is absurd is the hypocrisy across the aisle.

*cough*
Al Franken
*cough*

A person in high office in the US should not be able to be compromised bc of some stupid shit in his past. It's disqualifying. But I know Republicans have a blind spot in this area. *place image of Trump here*


I must have missed the part where the opposite party kicked Franken out.

As for that blind spot, such working implies there's something worth noticing that they are ignoring.


The opposite party didn't have to kick him out. The Dems did their due diligence when the matter arose. This is something the GOP should have learned a long way back.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:39 pm

Zurkerx wrote:So, I'm hearing Flake wants the woman to speak before they move Kavanaugh's nomination forward. Given he's on the Judicial Committee (and whether he acts on his words), it throws a wrench into Trump's plans. Flake's Revenge?


I highly doubt it. SCOTUS is pro-business, as are most of Flake's campaign donors. If Flake holds up the process for what his donors deem an unreasonable time period, he might not get that consulting job after retirement, something that he probably realized.
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:41 pm

Very creative with the route of trying to deny a confirmation... Gonna Clarence Thomas Kavanaugh.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:42 pm

San Carlos Islands wrote:Very creative with the route of trying to deny a confirmation... Gonna Clarence Thomas Kavanaugh.



Because giving a potential rapist with some questionable views on the rights of women the ability to make them law is a good thing?
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:43 pm

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Telconi wrote:
I must have missed the part where the opposite party kicked Franken out.

As for that blind spot, such working implies there's something worth noticing that they are ignoring.


The opposite party didn't have to kick him out. The Dems did their due diligence when the matter arose. This is something the GOP should have learned a long way back.


I don't think they particularly care what you think they should do.
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:45 pm

Vassenor wrote:
San Carlos Islands wrote:Very creative with the route of trying to deny a confirmation... Gonna Clarence Thomas Kavanaugh.



Because giving a potential rapist with some questionable views on the rights of women the ability to make them law is a good thing?

Lol, do you realize how crazy you sound? Look at this guy's family, look at the classmates saying the claim is false. Like I said, this how they tried to take down Clarence Thomas. It's another false claim to take a politician down.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:47 pm

San Carlos Islands wrote:
Vassenor wrote:

Because giving a potential rapist with some questionable views on the rights of women the ability to make them law is a good thing?

Lol, do you realize how crazy you sound? Look at this guy's family, look at the classmates saying the claim is false. Like I said, this how they tried to take down Clarence Thomas. It's another false claim to take a politician down.


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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:52 pm

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San Carlos Islands wrote:Lol, do you realize how crazy you sound? Look at this guy's family, look at the classmates saying the claim is false. Like I said, this how they tried to take down Clarence Thomas. It's another false claim to take a politician down.




Your article is no more believable the second time around. Nor are it's implications any more relevant.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:54 pm

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While that’s not untrue, we’re seeing some new lows here.


Ive NEVER heard of a supreme court nomination hearing being like this before, people being arressted etc etc


See the fight over Brandeis' nomination in 1916.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Bra ... reme_Court



More recently, when Nixon inexplicably nominated Harrold Carswell in 1970, the best that Senator Hruska could come up with to support Carswell was, rather hilariously:

Even if he is mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance? We can't have all Brandeises and Cardozos and Frankfurters and stuff like that


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