Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[Telconi]

Oh noes, heinous offenses that land people in jail for such steep sentences as ... two weeks...

If you put a damn Boy Scouts troop under that level of scrutiny you'd probably achieve more convictions.

Not to mention all the co-operation deals, fines, ongoing cases, leads, and so on.

I mean, maybe you've got really dirty Scouts troops, but still...

The point is the bread and butter of what allegedly happened (Trump and Co. colluded with the Russians to sway the election) hasn't been proven, thus far all charges and convictions are of incidental crimes uncovered under the scrutiny.

[Telconi]

So we're reduced to sniping from the murk. Oh well, time to slink off again.

There is a difference between legal and right.

The sad thing is that the Republicans are dragging the Democrats down to their level on things like this. It's now a race to the bottom and for some reason Republican supporters are happy about this.

It's always been a race to the bottom, and perhaps we're accustomed to it.

[Albrenia]

Not to mention all the co-operation deals, fines, ongoing cases, leads, and so on.

I mean, maybe you've got really dirty Scouts troops, but still...

The point is the bread and butter of what allegedly happened (Trump and Co. colluded with the Russians to sway the election) hasn't been proven, thus far all charges and convictions are of incidental crimes uncovered under the scrutiny.

There's been more than a little evidence uncovered so far though, and the investigation is still under way. One would have to be quite blind not to at least raise an eyebrow at a good deal of the happenings so far uncovered such as meetings with Russian figures, Trump's historical ties to the Russian underworld, and so on.

Edit: To go back on topic, dragging of the opposition's feet and endless pointless bickering is part of the US system, so the Republicans will have to suck it up and take it like the Dems did last time.

[Fartsniffage]

There is a difference between legal and right.

The sad thing is that the Republicans are dragging the Democrats down to their level on things like this. It's now a race to the bottom and for some reason Republican supporters are happy about this.

It's always been a race to the bottom, and perhaps we're accustomed to it.

It really hasn't. And I feel bad for you that you think that.

There was a time not long back where governance came before party politics. Obama getting elected seemed to end that.

[Dahon]

It's always been a race to the bottom, and perhaps we're accustomed to it.

Then I'll just repeat what I said to WRA.

That is to your detriment, ultimately. The gradual acceptance of corruption by men in power leads in due time to the corrosion of institutions, and the loss of faith in those same institutions, something your vigilance -- given your country's relevance -- could've at least checked.

If as a conservative you had acted, instead of standing by and letting your back be scratched, que sera sera, a frankly reactionary and openly corrupt GOP that more-or-less tacitly doubts the merits of the same democracy its first standard-bearer strove to save (vis-à-vis Trump) never would've arisen.

[Gig em Aggies]

It's always been a race to the bottom, and perhaps we're accustomed to it.

It really hasn't. And I feel bad for you that you think that.

There was a time not long back where governance came before party politics. Obama getting elected seemed to end that.

I thought bill did that.

[Telconi]

It's always been a race to the bottom, and perhaps we're accustomed to it.

Then I'll just repeat what I said to WRA.

That is to your detriment, ultimately. The gradual acceptance of corruption by men in power leads in due time to the corrosion of institutions, and the loss of faith in those same institutions, something your vigilance -- given your country's relevance -- could've at least checked.

If as a conservative you had acted, instead of standing by and letting your back be scratched, que sera sera, a frankly reactionary and openly corrupt GOP that more-or-less tacitly doubts the merits of the same democracy its first standard-bearer strove to save (vis-à-vis Trump) never would've arisen.

Indeed, I read it when you wrote it previously, I question your concept of what is a 'detriment' to me.

[Telconi]

It's always been a race to the bottom, and perhaps we're accustomed to it.

It really hasn't. And I feel bad for you that you think that.

There was a time not long back where governance came before party politics. Obama getting elected seemed to end that.

I haven't seen it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It really hasn't. And I feel bad for you that you think that.

There was a time not long back where governance came before party politics. Obama getting elected seemed to end that.

I thought bill did that.

You'd be correct. The mid 90's is when the decline started.

[Fartsniffage]

It really hasn't. And I feel bad for you that you think that.

There was a time not long back where governance came before party politics. Obama getting elected seemed to end that.

I thought bill did that.

You would. You're obsessed with the Clintons.

[Dahon]

Very well; I may as well ask.

What would be detrimental to you as an American citizen, compared to which a Republican president, however criminal, corrupt, or at least indifferent to corruption and criminality, is but a pinprick that you can at least endure?

[Fartsniffage]

I thought bill did that.

You'd be correct. The mid 90's is when the decline started.

So your argument is that Republicans didn't become cunts after 2008, they have been cunts since the mid-90s?

Okay then...

[Jerzyland]

It really hasn't. And I feel bad for you that you think that.

There was a time not long back where governance came before party politics. Obama getting elected seemed to end that.

I thought bill did that.

It comes and goes and never ends well. Ever heard of Tammany Hall and Boss Tweed?

From Wikipedia: Desperate and broken, Tweed now agreed to testify about the inner workings of his corrupt Ring to a special committee set up by the Board of Aldermen,[4] in return for his release, but after he did so, Samuel J. Tilden, now governor of New York, refused to abide by the agreement, and Tweed remained incarcerated. He died in the Ludlow Street Jail on April 12, 1878, from severe pneumonia, and was buried in the Brooklyn Green-Wood Cemetery.[27] Mayor Smith Ely would not allow the flag at City Hall to be flown at half staff.

Hmm. I wonder if Mr. Manafort or Donald Trump know how William Tweed ended up? I would doubt it. Nevertheless, this party politicking before governance is a recurring theme in American politics with the major parties.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Very well; I may as well ask.

What would be detrimental to you as an American citizen, compared to which a Republican president, however criminal, corrupt, or at least indifferent to corruption and criminality, is but a pinprick that you can at least endure?

At least in the case of me and Tel the corrupt asshole is busy attacking the other side so he's bearable.

You'd be correct. The mid 90's is when the decline started.

So your argument is that Republicans didn't become cunts after 2008, they have been cunts since the mid-90s?

Okay then...

They've both been assholes for a long time but that's when the downwards decline really started.

[Fartsniffage]

They've both been assholes for a long time but that's when the downwards decline really started.

Search your heart WRA, you know that's not true.

You might not like Dem policies but that isn't the same as them being completely obstructive in terms of national governance.

[Gig em Aggies]

I thought bill did that.

You would. You're obsessed with the Clintons.

You wish I'd rather vote bush into office then associate w/clintons

[Gig em Aggies]

I thought bill did that.

It comes and goes and never ends well. Ever heard of Tammany Hall and Boss Tweed?

From Wikipedia: Desperate and broken, Tweed now agreed to testify about the inner workings of his corrupt Ring to a special committee set up by the Board of Aldermen,[4] in return for his release, but after he did so, Samuel J. Tilden, now governor of New York, refused to abide by the agreement, and Tweed remained incarcerated. He died in the Ludlow Street Jail on April 12, 1878, from severe pneumonia, and was buried in the Brooklyn Green-Wood Cemetery.[27] Mayor Smith Ely would not allow the flag at City Hall to be flown at half staff.

Hmm. I wonder if Mr. Manafort or Donald Trump know how William Tweed ended up? I would doubt it. Nevertheless, this party politicking before governance is a recurring theme in American politics with the major parties.

Yes I've heard of them bu to compare trump to tweed is far off since tweed served in an era of almost no accountability unless you did something Superbad.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They've both been assholes for a long time but that's when the downwards decline really started.

Search your heart WRA, you know that's not true.

You might not like Dem policies but that isn't the same as them being completely obstructive in terms of national governance.

Tell me more about the Dems not being obstructionist lol

[Fartsniffage]

You would. You're obsessed with the Clintons.

You wish I'd rather vote bush into office then associate w/clintons

....what?

[Albrenia]

You wish I'd rather vote bush into office then associate w/clintons

....what?

I think they forgot a word somewhere or something.

[Gig em Aggies]

....what?

I think they forgot a word somewhere or something.

No I think I gave Fartsniffage some type of aneurism or heart attack for saying I'd rather have Bush back in Office then to associate with the Clintons.

[Fartsniffage]

Search your heart WRA, you know that's not true.

You might not like Dem policies but that isn't the same as them being completely obstructive in terms of national governance.

Tell me more about the Dems not being obstructionist lol

What did they do under Clinton?

[Fartsniffage]

I think they forgot a word somewhere or something.

No I think I gave Fartsniffage some type of aneurism or heart attack for saying I'd rather have Bush back in Office then to associate with the Clintons.

No. Your just made no sense.

[Jerzyland]

Tell me more about the Dems not being obstructionist lol

What did they do under Clinton?

No no. Bill was always on the bottom, that's how he became so adept at fucking up.

[Dogmeat]

What did they do under Clinton?

No no. Bill was always on the bottom, that's how he became so adept at fucking up.

Points.