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Do you support the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh

Yes I support his confirmation allegations against him are likely false or insufficient evidence
108
45%
Yes I support his confirmation even though the allegations against him are likely true but they are just too old
1
0%
Yes I support his confirmation because of judicial philosophy regardless of the allegations being true or false
13
5%
No I am against his confirmation because the allegations are likely true
24
10%
No I am against his confirmation because of his judicial philosophy (pick this if both please)
92
39%
 
Total votes : 238

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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:21 am

You can tell who's itching to go into California brandishing openly and maybe even rip off shots just to rub it into native Californians.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:22 am

Petrasylvania wrote:You can tell who's itching to go into California brandishing openly and maybe even rip off shots just to rub it into native Californians.


B-but the STATES RIGHTS!
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:34 am

Petrasylvania wrote:You can tell who's itching to go into California brandishing openly and maybe even rip off shots just to rub it into native Californians.


That'd be nobody Gauth.
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Postby Kernen » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:14 am

Vassenor wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:You can tell who's itching to go into California brandishing openly and maybe even rip off shots just to rub it into native Californians.


B-but the STATES RIGHTS!

State rights end where the Constitution begins. Tis a silly argument.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:25 am

Petrasylvania wrote:You can tell who's itching to go into California brandishing openly and maybe even rip off shots just to rub it into native Californians.


The Native Californians can pass simple laws to keep guns off of their reservations, and enforce it. Nobody's really looking to fuck them over; we ain't North Dakota. Rubbing it in to the Sacramento Government is another issue: https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/02/81 ... r-from-fe/

Purchasing more than one handgun within any 30-day period is prohibited except in specific circumstances. There is no limit on the number of rifles or shotguns that can be purchased... California requires a permit to carry a weapon, issued by a sheriff or police chief. There must be a reason — usually self defense, and the person must be of "good moral character." Some counties, including Los Angeles, refuse to issue permits. But a permit issued in one jurisdiction allows you to carry a gun anywhere in the state... California prohibits other categories of people in addition to federal law, such as those convicted of violent or gun-related misdemeanors [and] those deemed by the court to be a danger to oneself or others


Just by reading that, you can tell that the goal isn't safety, as handguns are used for self defense more often than rifles and shotguns. Also, if your county is liberal, it can refuse to issue a permit, for the sole purpose of inconveniencing you to go to another county. Misdemeanors, unless we're talking about wobblers, aren't usually a big deal here, but if your misdemeanor is deemed "violent" you don't get a gun. Even if the violence was a result of a heat of passion argument that happened over a decade ago.

Do these laws prevent mass shootings? Judging by the latest Bakersfield shooting, not really. The point is to fuck with gun owners, to make the lobbyists of lawmakers feel better. I'd much rather have the state hunt illegal immigrant felons, (note how I'm limiting that to those who committed felonies, which amount to less than two percent of illegal immigrants, and virtually no DACAs,) but they actually get preferential treatment over California's gun owners. So if Californians want to rub it in to the Sac, go for it. If the state spent as much time focusing on catching illegal immigrants who committed felonies, as it does on gun owners with criminal misdemeanors, Kate Steinle would still be alive.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:47 am

Greed and Death wrote:Going to bed, hopefully the letter is leaked by tomorrow.


Seems a little more light has been shed on this super damning secret letter of doom.
Dianne Feinstein alerts authorities to secret Brett Kavanaugh letter
A source who said they were briefed on the contents of the letter said it described an incident involving Kavanaugh and a woman that took place when both were 17 years old and at a party. According to the source, Kavanaugh and a male friend had locked her in a room against her will, making her feel threatened, but she was able to get out of the room. The Guardian has not verified the apparent claims in the letter. It is not yet clear who wrote it.


That's it? A couple of 17yr old knuckleheads doing what 17yr old knuckleheads do and act like jerks sometimes? Pfft. Please, this is nothing.

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Postby Datlofff » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:50 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Going to bed, hopefully the letter is leaked by tomorrow.


Seems a little more light has been shed on this super damning secret letter of doom.
Dianne Feinstein alerts authorities to secret Brett Kavanaugh letter
A source who said they were briefed on the contents of the letter said it described an incident involving Kavanaugh and a woman that took place when both were 17 years old and at a party. According to the source, Kavanaugh and a male friend had locked her in a room against her will, making her feel threatened, but she was able to get out of the room. The Guardian has not verified the apparent claims in the letter. It is not yet clear who wrote it.


That's it? A couple of 17yr old knuckleheads doing what 17yr old knuckleheads do and act like jerks sometimes? Pfft. Please, this is nothing.


Call the fucking cops, drunk teenagers do drunk teenager stuff. Seems like the left is really grasping at straws here.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:50 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Going to bed, hopefully the letter is leaked by tomorrow.


Seems a little more light has been shed on this super damning secret letter of doom.
Dianne Feinstein alerts authorities to secret Brett Kavanaugh letter
A source who said they were briefed on the contents of the letter said it described an incident involving Kavanaugh and a woman that took place when both were 17 years old and at a party. According to the source, Kavanaugh and a male friend had locked her in a room against her will, making her feel threatened, but she was able to get out of the room. The Guardian has not verified the apparent claims in the letter. It is not yet clear who wrote it.


That's it? A couple of 17yr old knuckleheads doing what 17yr old knuckleheads do and act like jerks sometimes? Pfft. Please, this is nothing.

The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Seems a little more light has been shed on this super damning secret letter of doom.
Dianne Feinstein alerts authorities to secret Brett Kavanaugh letter


That's it? A couple of 17yr old knuckleheads doing what 17yr old knuckleheads do and act like jerks sometimes? Pfft. Please, this is nothing.

The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?


Attempted rape is just "boys will be boys".
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:52 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?


Attempted rape is just "boys will be boys".

Attempted rape? :rofl: seriously?

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Postby Datlofff » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:53 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?


Attempted rape is just "boys will be boys".

"Locked in a room"

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Seems a little more light has been shed on this super damning secret letter of doom.
Dianne Feinstein alerts authorities to secret Brett Kavanaugh letter


That's it? A couple of 17yr old knuckleheads doing what 17yr old knuckleheads do and act like jerks sometimes? Pfft. Please, this is nothing.

The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?

One filled with fun, mischief and typical teenage angst.

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Postby Datlofff » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Seems a little more light has been shed on this super damning secret letter of doom.
Dianne Feinstein alerts authorities to secret Brett Kavanaugh letter


That's it? A couple of 17yr old knuckleheads doing what 17yr old knuckleheads do and act like jerks sometimes? Pfft. Please, this is nothing.

The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?

A pretty fucked up one so far. But considering I am, 17, and have been around 17 year old knuckleheads, especially at parties. This is pretty par for the fucking course . Give impulsive 17 year olds alcohol and you end up with guess what, knuckleheads being knuckleheads. Locking someone in a room isn't the worst of the shit I've seen happen at my high school's parties.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:07 am

Ifreann wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Seems a little more light has been shed on this super damning secret letter of doom.
Dianne Feinstein alerts authorities to secret Brett Kavanaugh letter


That's it? A couple of 17yr old knuckleheads doing what 17yr old knuckleheads do and act like jerks sometimes? Pfft. Please, this is nothing.

The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?


If you think people playing practical jokes as teenagers is somehow relevant to their careers decades later I'd postulate your adolescence was far worse than mine.
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Postby Datlofff » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:09 am

Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?


If you think people playing practical jokes as teenagers is somehow relevant to their careers decades later I'd postulate your adolescence was far worse than mine.

^this
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:19 am

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It must be so minor that the victim herself didn't even bother reporting it 30 some years ago and it's basically hearsay since it isn't from the victim herself.


Doesn't stop the dems from using it though. They really have nothing else to offer.


Indeed. It's not like they will hold up the nomination for 400 days.
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Postby Datlofff » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:20 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Doesn't stop the dems from using it though. They really have nothing else to offer.


Indeed. It's not like they will hold up the nomination for 400 days.

At this point they are just delaying as long as possible to make Kavanaugh's life hell just for the sake of it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:22 am

Petrasylvania wrote:You can tell who's itching to go into California brandishing openly and maybe even rip off shots just to rub it into native Californians.


I suspect it's a crime to fire off rounds in public for the fuck of it in...well........all states.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:23 am

Datlofff wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Indeed. It's not like they will hold up the nomination for 400 days.

At this point they are just delaying as long as possible to make Kavanaugh's life hell just for the sake of it.


Probably is tit for tat. We have already seen the hypocrites complain about how Kav was being treated.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:24 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
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Attempted rape is just "boys will be boys".

Attempted rape? :rofl: seriously?


Why else do you lock someone in your bedroom against their will in this context?
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:24 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:You can tell who's itching to go into California brandishing openly and maybe even rip off shots just to rub it into native Californians.


I suspect it's a crime to fire off rounds in public for the fuck of it in...well........all states.


Uh, It's illegal within city limits in 49 states, and all fifty have rules regarding firing near or towards dwellings or whatnot.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:25 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?

One filled with fun, mischief and typical teenage angst.

I don't see any fun in ganging up on someone, locking them in a room, and making them so fear for their safety that they try to escape.


Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The fuck kind of adolescence did you have?


If you think people playing practical jokes as teenagers is somehow relevant to their careers decades later I'd postulate your adolescence was far worse than mine.

Locking someone in a room with yourself and your mate isn't a practical joke.

Do you people really think that it's okay for two people to corner a third and lock them in a room and make that third person so afraid that they run away? Or are you just making excuses for Kavanaugh because you want him on the court? Because if it's the latter you could just say that what he did wasn't okay but shouldn't keep him from being confirmed.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:26 am

Vassenor wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Attempted rape? :rofl: seriously?


Why else do you lock someone in your bedroom against their will in this context?


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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:26 am

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I suspect it's a crime to fire off rounds in public for the fuck of it in...well........all states.


Uh, It's illegal within city limits in 49 states, and all fifty have rules regarding firing near or towards dwellings or whatnot.


Only 49? Who is the exception?
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:One filled with fun, mischief and typical teenage angst.

I don't see any fun in ganging up on someone, locking them in a room, and making them so fear for their safety that they try to escape.


Telconi wrote:
If you think people playing practical jokes as teenagers is somehow relevant to their careers decades later I'd postulate your adolescence was far worse than mine.

Locking someone in a room with yourself and your mate isn't a practical joke.

Do you people really think that it's okay for two people to corner a third and lock them in a room and make that third person so afraid that they run away? Or are you just making excuses for Kavanaugh because you want him on the court? Because if it's the latter you could just say that what he did wasn't okay but shouldn't keep him from being confirmed.


Sure it is.

Do I think it's "Okay"? No, it's kinda douchey, but it's well within the scope of juvenile practical jokes.
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