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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:57 pm

United States of White America wrote:Shouldn't have smoked.


Since when did smoking cause liver cancer?
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Crusader occupied mecca wrote:Wasn't he some sort of child molester? Raping underage children is never ok no matter how good your music is.


You got a source to back up that accusation?

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Postby United States of White America » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:58 pm

Vassenor wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Shouldn't have smoked.


Since when did smoking cause liver cancer?


Since when did dying make all of your songs classics? He was vastly overrated and over-appreciated. It is tragic he died, but he should not have smoked, should not have drunk and should not have done so many drugs early on in his life. That caught up with him.
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Postby Anollasia » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:01 pm

Vassenor wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Shouldn't have smoked.


Since when did smoking cause liver cancer?


http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/study ... ancer-risk

It definitely increases the risk, that's for sure. Especially if you're a heavy smoker. But it's just best to avoid smoking completely, that stuff is nasty.

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Postby Highfort » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:21 pm

United States of White America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Since when did smoking cause liver cancer?


Since when did dying make all of your songs classics? He was vastly overrated and over-appreciated. It is tragic he died, but he should not have smoked, should not have drunk and should not have done so many drugs early on in his life. That caught up with him.


Oh, come off it. Some people want to have fun in their bleak, miserable lives before they die.

And David Bowie was classic before he died. His work in the 70s and early 80s still holds up today.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:27 pm

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Because he was a pop star. He owned it. He was brilliant at it. And, yes, he was much more: a visual and performing artist, a businessman, a philanthropist, and a wearer of many other metaphorical and literal hats. However, he was a pop star to start off with, and he performed pop music. He and Britney Spears are both pop stars, true, but it's also true that (for example) Louis CK and Carlos Mencia are both comedians, if you see what I mean.


I see what you are trying to say. Nevertheless, I don't agree with it at all. He was more than a pop star, as you admit. The term pop star is a bit nebulous, the problem is simple as that. Why not be more definite. I'm sure he'd have preferred the term "rock star" just for starters. His music is more accurately described as rock than pop. The genre of rock is broad, and its boundaries loosely-defined, with distantly related genres sometimes included. Pop music, in popular and contemporary parlance, is a sub-genre of popular music.

The real rub here is the term "pop" is also used in a derogatory manner by those who feel that "pop" lacks any musically artistic meaning. Nothing could be further from the truth of Bowie's musical catalog. That is specifically what my point was, Yum. The term "pop" is just too ambiguous.


Rock and roll is popular music. So is the dance music that he performed, and the R&B-influenced stuff like "Young Americans", and the industrial sounds he experimented with back in the day. Bowie was enormously influenced by Pop artists such as Warhol, so I somehow doubt that he'd have taken it as an insult. Those who believe that "Pop" lacks any sort of musically artistic meaning are showing nothing more than their own musical limitations and lack of knowledge.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:29 pm

United States of White America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Since when did smoking cause liver cancer?


Since when did dying make all of your songs classics? He was vastly overrated and over-appreciated. It is tragic he died, but he should not have smoked, should not have drunk and should not have done so many drugs early on in his life. That caught up with him.


He was enormously influential for myriad artists, and not just musical ones, as can be seen from the tributes pouring in from around the world. Your attempt to be edgy and callous has been duly noted for future reference.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:29 pm

Crusader occupied mecca wrote:
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You got a source to back up that accusation?

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Postby Kanaria » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:32 pm

My condolences to the grieving. Alas, I never knew him or his music.
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Vassenor wrote:
Since when did smoking cause liver cancer?


http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/study ... ancer-risk

It definitely increases the risk, that's for sure. Especially if you're a heavy smoker. But it's just best to avoid smoking completely, that stuff is nasty.

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Postby Anollasia » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:03 pm

Kanaria wrote:My condolences to the grieving. Alas, I never knew him or his music.
Anollasia wrote:
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/study ... ancer-risk

It definitely increases the risk, that's for sure. Especially if you're a heavy smoker. But it's just best to avoid smoking completely, that stuff is nasty.

Ask my mum.


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Postby New Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:12 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
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I see what you are trying to say. Nevertheless, I don't agree with it at all. He was more than a pop star, as you admit. The term pop star is a bit nebulous, the problem is simple as that. Why not be more definite. I'm sure he'd have preferred the term "rock star" just for starters. His music is more accurately described as rock than pop. The genre of rock is broad, and its boundaries loosely-defined, with distantly related genres sometimes included. Pop music, in popular and contemporary parlance, is a sub-genre of popular music.

The real rub here is the term "pop" is also used in a derogatory manner by those who feel that "pop" lacks any musically artistic meaning. Nothing could be further from the truth of Bowie's musical catalog. That is specifically what my point was, Yum. The term "pop" is just too ambiguous.


Rock and roll is popular music. So is the dance music that he performed, and the R&B-influenced stuff like "Young Americans", and the industrial sounds he experimented with back in the day. Bowie was enormously influenced by Pop artists such as Warhol, so I somehow doubt that he'd have taken it as an insult. Those who believe that "Pop" lacks any sort of musically artistic meaning are showing nothing more than their own musical limitations and lack of knowledge.


Who said he'd take it as an insult? I said he'd likely prefer rock star. :palm:

Nevertheless the term pop is still ambiguous and is taken as a derogatory term in many circles.

Let's keep this thread on what made David Bowie so great for so long instead of derailing it with this Pop vs. Rock star thing. We disagree about which word to use, so... la-dee-da.

What did you think of his first ever release, Please Mr. Gravedigger? What is your favorite Bowie period or album? or song? or fashion statement?

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Vassenor wrote:
You got a source to back up that accusation?

Got a whole truckload of them.
https://www.google.com/search?redir_esc ... 2722229780


Turns out people accuse famous men of all sorts of shitty stuff. Some are more than accusations and result in convictions. In Bowie's case there are no convictions on any of these matters.
Nothing about hush money or any of that type of crap either. Now, I'm not going to threaten you because your malice in the wake of David Bowie's passing. I would never threaten anyone. However, I do think you more than qualify to be considered as an insensitive a--hole.
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Postby Cetacea » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:38 am

New Jerzylvania wrote:Who said he'd take it as an insult? I said he'd likely prefer rock star. :palm:

Nevertheless the term pop is still ambiguous and is taken as a derogatory term in many circles.

Let's keep this thread on what made David Bowie so great for so long


It amuses me greatly that by some definitions Amadeus Mozart was a pop star too and indeed his letters during his tours of Europe apparently outline the pressure from his father/manager, the desire for his music to be well received, an extravagant and debauched lifestyle and uncompromising focus on the quality of his music which would reflect that of the major modern Artist like Bowie too.

I think Bowie ranks up their along side Mozart as amajor musical icon whose influence on music has been outstanding and who will be remembered and revered long after their life time fades into history.



Bowie was cleared in the first instance and is thus innocent and in the second case I personally don't think the late confession of a self described 'groupie' who indicates that she deliberately sought him out for a consensual encounter should be considered anything especially when you consider that Bowie was himself in his 20s at the time she claims and she certainly didn't mention her age

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:39 am

Crusader occupied mecca wrote:Wasn't he some sort of child molester? Raping underage children is never ok no matter how good your music is.

He had consenting sex with two 15 year olds that were in an 18+ club.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:40 am

Cetacea wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:Who said he'd take it as an insult? I said he'd likely prefer rock star. :palm:

Nevertheless the term pop is still ambiguous and is taken as a derogatory term in many circles.

Let's keep this thread on what made David Bowie so great for so long


It amuses me greatly that by some definitions Amadeus Mozart was a pop star too and indeed his letters during his tours of Europe apparently outline the pressure from his father/manager, the desire for his music to be well received, an extravagant and debauched lifestyle and uncompromising focus on the quality of his music which would reflect that of the major modern Artist like Bowie too.

I think Bowie ranks up their along side Mozart as amajor musical icon whose influence on music has been outstanding and who will be remembered and revered long after their life time fades into history.



Bowie was cleared in the first instance and is thus innocent and in the second case I personally don't think the late confession of a self described 'groupie' who indicates that she deliberately sought him out for a consensual encounter should be considered anything especially when you consider that Bowie was himself in his 20s at the time she claims and she certainly didn't mention her age


And he picked her up in a club that you have to be 18+ to get into.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:51 am

Cetacea wrote:


Bowie was cleared in the first instance and is thus innocent and in the second case I personally don't think the late confession of a self described 'groupie' who indicates that she deliberately sought him out for a consensual encounter should be considered anything especially when you consider that Bowie was himself in his 20s at the time she claims and she certainly didn't mention her age


While it concerns me that we seem to be willing to give many of the foundational figures in post-WW II a free pass on statutory rape (see Elvis Presley, Jimmy Page, Mick Jagger, Bill Wyman, etc., etc., etc.), I don't think that A) there's anything to suggest that Bowie was either a serial child molester or actively seeking to take serial advantage of underage groupies or B) this is necessarily a useful track to take for this thread.

Unfortunately, statutory rape was a central part of the period experience for many musicians; noting that this was the case by no means excuses it. There's a serious and necessary discussion to be had about why - in the UK particularly - we're enthusiastically tracking down historic statutory rape charges against DJs and less influential musical figures but largely (Cliff Richard aside) leaving the most important living musical figures of the 60s and 70s almost entirely untouched; in at least on case handing out a knighthood to a man who once sang 'I can see that you're fifteen years old/No I don't want your I.D. ... I bet your mama don't know you scratch like that/I bet she don't know you can bite like that'.

But I'd really rather see that serious discussion take place in a dedicated thread of its own rather than this tribute thread.

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Postby New Jerzylvania » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:53 am

Cetacea wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:Who said he'd take it as an insult? I said he'd likely prefer rock star. :palm:

Nevertheless the term pop is still ambiguous and is taken as a derogatory term in many circles.

Let's keep this thread on what made David Bowie so great for so long


It amuses me greatly that by some definitions Amadeus Mozart was a pop star too and indeed his letters during his tours of Europe apparently outline the pressure from his father/manager, the desire for his music to be well received, an extravagant and debauched lifestyle and uncompromising focus on the quality of his music which would reflect that of the major modern Artist like Bowie too.

I think Bowie ranks up their along side Mozart as amajor musical icon whose influence on music has been outstanding and who will be remembered and revered long after their life time fades into history.



Bowie was cleared in the first instance and is thus innocent and in the second case I personally don't think the late confession of a self described 'groupie' who indicates that she deliberately sought him out for a consensual encounter should be considered anything especially when you consider that Bowie was himself in his 20s at the time she claims and she certainly didn't mention her age


Just to be clear to anyone reading this, the second quote above IS NOT MINE. That belongs to Crusader occupied mecca and I don't appreciate his "slant." The above poster inadvertently left off his "credit."

Now that is cleared up, I like the comparison to Mozart aa a major musical icon.

What jumps immediately to my mind is actually "Lisztomania" which was the inspiration for Ken Russell's movie starring (Roger Daltrey) of the same title. The film is a must see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeglJMCgnuw

The giant cock dream sequence is a scream. Oh, the perils of being a pop rock star

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peJ_ncxXung
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Postby Tafhan » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:36 pm

One of my all time favorite Musicians. So terrible to see him go this way at such a relatively early age.
The stars look very different today. :(
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:27 am

Tafhan wrote:One of my all time favorite Musicians. So terrible to see him go this way at such a relatively early age.
The stars look very different today. :(

Well done with that line from Space Oddity, very well done! :clap:
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Postby Ganos Lao » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:57 pm

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"In memoriam to David Bowie's legacy, we are giving away free digital download copies of his videogame, Omikron: The Nomad Soul.

Enter coupon code "omikron" at checkout to receive your free copy. Let's all replay this game and celebrate his music!

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lmao 69 perfect age for the greatest faggot of all time to die at
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