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Postby Anime North America » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:48 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Anime North America wrote:I look at it from the perspective of someone who does not have significant capital, and will likely never have enough to realistically compete on the market whilst sustaining myself. Despite what you might believe, most people have no prospect of owning a successful business and must abide by their boss' wishes. If that is liberty, I want no part of it.

There's that ignorance of nuance again.

Not an argument. Then again, perhaps you're not worth arguing with.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:48 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Good thing Anarchism doesn't strive to do that, unlike the World Bank and other Capitalist organizations :^)

Anarchism doesn't provide any solution at all :^)


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Postby Liriena » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:49 am

Major-Tom wrote: these guys seem like sheltered, socially inept idiots

A perfect description of online hate politics in a nutshell, tbh.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:49 am

Anime North America wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:
There's that ignorance of nuance again.

Not an argument. Then again, perhaps you're not worth arguing with.

If you ignore nuance of ideology, you didn't have intent to argue to begin with.
QED.

Anyway, this is a threadjack and we should stop.

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Proctopeo wrote:Anarchism doesn't provide any solution at all :^)


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Postby Torrocca » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:50 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
WoW LoOk At ThAt iGnOrAnCe Of NuAnCe!!1!

excuse me i wathced one (1) you tube video on anarchy that was 14 minutes long


Read Bread Book nerd :^)

But yeah, back to the topic at hand.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:52 am

Chestaan wrote:I think its nice to see somewhat of a consensus on this topic. Guys in questions are assholes but shouldn't have been expelled.

I dunno about that, there seem to be quite a few dissenting opinions.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:53 am

Torrocca wrote:
Radiatia wrote:Modern universities can't handle freedom of speech and censor those that don't conform to their left-wing world view. News at 11.


Wew, if you think that's leftism, wait until you run into an actual left-wing group.

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Anime North America wrote:Just let South America take it, fam.

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Awww hell naw. You can keep your Florida, gringos.

Don't worry, the Gulf stream will float it up my way.


Wait...shit...
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:56 am

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Wew, if you think that's leftism, wait until you run into an actual left-wing group.

Internet: "Marxists have taken over our universities!"
Marxists: "We fucking wish"


God, could you imagine living in the world those people think we live in? It'd be an unironic paradise.

Liriena wrote:Awww hell naw. You can keep your Florida, gringos.

Don't worry, the Gulf stream will float it up my way.


Wait...shit...


Pls stop the bullis of my Florida ;~;
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:00 am

Torrocca wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Internet: "Marxists have taken over our universities!"
Marxists: "We fucking wish"


God, could you imagine living in the world those people think we live in? It'd be an unironic paradise.

Either that or we really need to get new secret Marxist lizard-dictators, because the ones we have now are not doing Marxism very well.

Don't worry, the Gulf stream will float it up my way.


Wait...shit...


Pls stop the bullis of my Florida ;~;

I'm sure there are many fine people on both sides of the state line.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:03 am

Torrocca wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Internet: "Marxists have taken over our universities!"
Marxists: "We fucking wish"


God, could you imagine living in the world those people think we live in? It'd be an unironic paradise.

I know right?

I wish we lived in a world were pink-haired genderqueer cultural marxists control all our vidya gayms and Star Wars and the schools and nazis can't come out in public because millions of antifa supersoldiers are keeping them in check with their bikelocks. :^)

Torrocca wrote:Pls stop the bullis of my Florida ;~;
Orlando is the only reason we haven't let Bugs Bunny saw Florida off the continent and let it drift, so be grateful to Orlando. ;)
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
God, could you imagine living in the world those people think we live in? It'd be an unironic paradise.

Either that or we really need to get new secret Marxist lizard-dictators, because the ones we have now are not doing Marxism very well.


Soros is on the case! In no time, all right-wing thought will be banned everywhere! MWUAHAHAHAHA!


Pls stop the bullis of my Florida ;~;

I'm sure there are many fine people on both sides of the state line.


D:

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God, could you imagine living in the world those people think we live in? It'd be an unironic paradise.

I know right?

I wish we lived in a world were pink-haired genderqueer cultural marxists control all our vidya gayms and Star Wars and the schools and nazis can't come out in public because millions of antifa supersoldiers are keeping them in check with their bikelocks. :^)


WE'LL HAVE AN ANTIFA SUPERSOLDIER BEHIND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS SOON ENOUGH!

These university right-wingers will despair at the sight of our black-clad bikelock comrades :^3

Torrocca wrote:Pls stop the bullis of my Florida ;~;

Orlando is the only reason we haven't let Bugs Bunny saw Florida off the continent and let it drift, so be grateful to Orlando. ;)[/quote]

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Postby Rostavykhan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:15 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:99% used to be impoverished, and it's still dropping from half. Redefining "poverty" so it technically doesn't exist doesn't count as a solution friendo


Good thing Anarchism doesn't strive to do that, unlike the World Bank and other Capitalist organizations :^)


But don't you know? It's just the impoverished peoples fault for not pulling themselves up in the free market! And if they call BS, we can just rev up the helicopters, because they're not really people if they criticize this amazing ideology!
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:05 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Good thing Anarchism doesn't strive to do that, unlike the World Bank and other Capitalist organizations :^)


But don't you know? It's just the impoverished peoples fault for not pulling themselves up in the free market! And if they call BS, we can just rev up the helicopters, because they're not really people if they criticize this amazing ideology!


But then they're not impoverished anyway because as any """Libertarian""" will attest it's only extreme poverty that matters and so long as the World Bank keeps changing the arbitrary number it'll stop existing! Praise Capitalism!
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Postby The Batorys » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:06 pm

Esternial wrote:Oh look news about BELGIUM, BITCH. Given the subject my enthousiasm is probably a bit misplaced but I'll take anything just so I can briefly stiffle the endless and repetitive cycle of American politics, abortion debates and threads made by Alpha Limes, Xerox printers and mushrooms.

One of the few links you sad non-Dutch people would understand: http://www.flanderstoday.eu/members-whi ... t-and-n-va

So recently there has been some kind of a buzz in Belgium about a movement called "Schild en Vrienden" (Shield and Friends), which basically centers around topics like the rejection of growing multiculturalism, feminism, immigrants, political correctness, etc.

At least that's how they present themselves.

Personally I don't know all too much about them. They seemed annoyed that their views were being ignored and oppressed, so they decided to gather up and ignore and oppress (read: "troll") people they disagreed with. They did this one thing where they began harassing a bunch of leftists having some protest or whatever, and from that I mostly got the impression they were a bunch of edgy right-wing memelords. Turns out I was right, because recently it was revealed they had been posting a slew of "offensive memes" and spent a lot of their free time harassing leftists and feminists. They mostly stuck to the classics, racism and sexism, mixed with some glorification of Nazis. Despite that, they portray(ed) themselves a respectful movement that doesn't condone racism and doesn't align itself with strong nationalistic sentiments, presumably to avoid coming across as too extreme - there were some leaked comments where they "planned" to gradually infuse their views into society through moderation.

Anyway, there was this report about their activities on hidden Discord servers and private Facebook groups and their...ehh "leader", I guess, was confronted. He denied it, which failed horribly. Eventually he got kicked out by the University, and I think several others were as well.

So my question to you all is: what do you think about this? Did he/they deserved to get booted out of uni? If someone's posting history on the internet was suddenly made public, would you find it acceptable if they suffered similar repercussions? Also, would you be royally fucked if your posting history got leaked?

Personally, I don't think he deserved to get kicked out of uni, even though he's a bit of an edgy - and more importantly, cringy - twat. I feel like he should've owned up to it and try to salvage the situation, but he failed horribly. You lie once and everything else you say can be cast in doubt.

I also feel the media reacted exessively indignant and watching the report I just felt like it was made to convince people these people are the scum of the Earth and offensive memes are spawn of Satan. Plus the current (di)rector of Ghent University is a bit of a sleazy asshole who wants to garner public favor so for that reason I'm slightly more against the decision.

It's just all very cringy and I wanted you all to know this is what Belgium is up to these days.

Absolutely nothing of import.

I think kicking him out of uni is pretty funny.
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Postby Dark Socialism » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:19 pm

I would probably get in trouble with my parents and get sent to a psychiatrist again if my posts on the net were released, but all my friends already know I'm a Fascist.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:33 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
When people act like assholes, they should be treated as such.

They where acting like assholes, they where treated as an asshole should be.


I mean if we go by that reasoning then everybody from the political spectrum is liable to be censored or restricted from a public outing.


They where harassing people.They where assholes.

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Postby Valgora » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:35 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
I mean if we go by that reasoning then everybody from the political spectrum is liable to be censored or restricted from a public outing.


They where harassing people.They where assholes.


But it doesn't appear that the harassment was what got them in trouble.
It looks like they got in trouble for their memes, not possible harassment.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:43 pm

Dark Socialism wrote:I would probably get in trouble with my parents and get sent to a psychiatrist again if my posts on the net were released, but all my friends already know I'm a Fascist.

Your posts on the internet are already released.

Anyone from anywhere can look at your posts.

If you genuinely need a psychiatrist. Please go to one.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
They where harassing people.They where assholes.


But it doesn't appear that the harassment was what got them in trouble.
It looks like they got in trouble for their memes, not possible harassment.



Eh, still they got what they deserved for harassing people. Even if it is for the wrong reason, it all balances out.
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Postby Avidius Legion » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:45 pm

Dark Socialism wrote:I would probably get in trouble with my parents and get sent to a psychiatrist again if my posts on the net were released, but all my friends already know I'm a Fascist.

This sound like foreshadowing to some shooting if i ever see one
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Postby Valgora » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:47 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
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But it doesn't appear that the harassment was what got them in trouble.
It looks like they got in trouble for their memes, not possible harassment.



Eh, still they got what they deserved for harassing people. Even if it is for the wrong reason, it all balances out.


I don't think it all balances out.
This could set a precedent for having people getting kicked out of college for memes whether or not they did something like harassing people.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:02 pm

I don't know the level of harassment, but as I said before, unless it was disruptive I'm against them being expelled.

It's still funny as fuck though, how quickly they scurry to deny their racism despite devoting huge amounts of time to complaining to each other about and joking about the deaths of minorities. Cowards gonna coward, I guess.

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:07 pm

Albrenia wrote:I don't know the level of harassment, but as I said before, unless it was disruptive I'm against them being expelled.

It's still funny as fuck though, how quickly they scurry to deny their racism despite devoting huge amounts of time to complaining to each other about and joking about the deaths of minorities. Cowards gonna coward, I guess.


Just remember: any racism/sexism/LGBTQ+-phobia/talks of genocide/etc. is """ironic""" and if you even dare speak about it you're a liberal snowflake but Goddamn will they rage at the slightest slight aimed at them.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:09 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Albrenia wrote:I don't know the level of harassment, but as I said before, unless it was disruptive I'm against them being expelled.

It's still funny as fuck though, how quickly they scurry to deny their racism despite devoting huge amounts of time to complaining to each other about and joking about the deaths of minorities. Cowards gonna coward, I guess.


Just remember: any racism/sexism/LGBTQ+-phobia/talks of genocide/etc. is """ironic""" and if you even dare speak about it you're a liberal snowflake but Goddamn will they rage at the slightest slight aimed at them.


I guess they want to be like Trump. Managing to both have a victim mentality AND the power to victimise others at will.

Thankfully they're not the majority of conservatives, most of whom manage to still be sane despite being, imho, incorrect.

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Postby El Fiji Grande » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:16 pm

Very counter-productive. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.
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Postby Vespertania » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:57 pm

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Esternial wrote:Oh look news about BELGIUM, BITCH...


..It's just all very cringy and I wanted you all to know this is what Belgium is up to these days.

Absolutely nothing of import.


O rly? Well, in the very near future, your country is very possibly going to cease to exist and become two different countries (brussels & flanders respectively).

I bet you.. already knew that though.. you're probably looking forward to it too..

Eh, back to the topic.



I dislike right-wing groups like "Schild en Vrienden". "Oh look! It's another potential bunch of people that want to harm me for dumb reasons."

It worries me that your society will just up and casually accept evidence that, from what I just read in your post, was gained through some method of hacking. Always the chance for tampering. Isn't that kind of shit supposed to be illegal?

So he was kicked from a university along with several others, but now what? Could the group possibly sue the university, get a ton of money, and force the university to let them continue attending the school anyway? I don't know the laws of your country so please let me know about this.

And if all that happens, then what was the point? Some temporary reprieve from their presence? That's not worth the effort, to me. If they can sue and win.

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Right wing humour squad wrote:In any reasonable society they should be able to bankrupt the university for the expulsion.

That makes even less sense.


Ehh.. to you. I could see how that would be reasonable. It could be reasonable to have something like this in place in a society to prevent any group or institution from abusing a certain cultural value or law toward their own gains.
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