US threatens to arrest ICC judges for Afghan war crimes

[Des-Bal]

Europe is comparable in prosperity per capita to the USA. Norway and Luxembourg are each wealthier per capita. If it weren't divided up into separate countries, I bet Europe would be considered a comparable economic power.

If Europe weren't divided up into countries that would be a point.

[Liriena]

Europe is comparable in prosperity per capita to the USA. Norway and Luxembourg are each wealthier per capita. If it weren't divided up into separate countries, I bet Europe would be considered a comparable economic power.

If Europe weren't divided up into countries that would be a point.

[UNION OF EUROPEAN SOCIALIST REPUBLICS INTENSIFIES]

[Ifreann]

If Europe weren't divided up into countries that would be a point.

[UNION OF EUROPEAN SOCIALIST REPUBLICS INTENSIFIES]

[Liriena]

[UNION OF EUROPEAN SOCIALIST REPUBLICS INTENSIFIES]

Now that the reactionary forces of Great Britain are out of the picture, tovarisch Juncker will lead the alienated and disenfranchised masses of Europe from his Brussels Politburo and tear down the continental bourgeoise! Just as Marx intended!

[The of Japan]

And so accept the US as supreme, unaccountable arbiter, with the wherewithal to attack and destroy nations as it seeks fit, given its unmatched military might?

Hell no -- better to give the UN the teeth to implement its programs and administer justice, somehow, some way.

who would provide the teeth? russia and china?

[Rostavykhan]

And so accept the US as supreme, unaccountable arbiter, with the wherewithal to attack and destroy nations as it seeks fit, given its unmatched military might?

Hell no -- better to give the UN the teeth to implement its programs and administer justice, somehow, some way.

who would provide the teeth? russia and china?

TBH I'd love to see more cooperation between Russia and China if it comes to supplying and defending the rest of the world from the US.

The more guns pointed at Uncle Sam, IMO, the better.

[Uxupox]

who would provide the teeth? russia and china?

TBH I'd love to see more cooperation between Russia and China if it comes to supplying and defending the rest of the world from the US.

The more guns pointed at Uncle Sam, IMO, the better.

i too am a follower of posadism.

[Albrenia]

who would provide the teeth? russia and china?

TBH I'd love to see more cooperation between Russia and China if it comes to supplying and defending the rest of the world from the US.

The more guns pointed at Uncle Sam, IMO, the better.

I'd rather not have a WW3 in which one side is led by Donald Trump, thanks.

[Internationalist Bastard]

How dare people be against war crimes

[Oil exporting People]

The door is to your left, please use it.

He does have a right to his views. I echo them.

The door is to your left. Your rights are irrelevant.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

With each passing year, I wish more and more that I had been born in a different country. I know this doesn't mean much, but I, as an American, apologize to the rest of the world. We dun fucked up.

The door is to your left, please use it.

He does have a right to his views. I echo them.

The door is to your left. Your rights are irrelevant.

Your logical fallacy. :^]

[Oil exporting People]

The door is to your left, please use it.

The door is to your left. Your rights are irrelevant.

Your logical fallacy. :^]

It would be a logical fallacy if I used to respond to an argument made. Stating it is as an order does not meet the qualifications of a logical fallacy.

Might want to read up before coming to debate.

[Olthar]

The door is to your left, please use it.

He does have a right to his views. I echo them.

With each passing year, I wish more and more that I had been born in a different country. I know this doesn't mean much, but I, as an American, apologize to the rest of the world. We dun fucked up.

The door is to your left, please use it.

No.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Your logical fallacy. :^]

It would be a logical fallacy if I used to respond to an argument made. Stating it is as an order does not meet the qualifications of a logical fallacy.

Might want to read up before coming to debate.

Either way, your response was still fallacious and contributed nothing.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

The thing is the ICC isn't talking about going after monsters like Robert Bales. The ICC is talking about putting George W Bush on trial. The US didn't sign any treaties to grant them such power and for good reason obviously. These threats are merely representative of the american right wing stance non former soviet union foreign political intervention.

[Chestaan]

Thoughts? While I personally found this hilarious that the world superpower that claim to be committed to liberty, justice, and human right resort to straight to up use their power to threaten the international court when they're the one committing crime against humanity, it also concerning that the trump administration are so easy to abandon international institutions and the regime they uphold.

The US doesn't uphold the ICC. It withdrew from the Rome Statute over a decade ago, citing the lack of protection against corruption and politicization in the ICC and the fact that the US's standard of justice is already higher then the ICC's. What the ICC proposing (Kidnapping citizens to hold a nation to the terms of a treaty which they have not consented to) is in fact a violation of the Vienna Convention, a law which the Netherland has consented to. Further the idea that anything done by the US in the past 30 years meets the standards of gravity set by the Rome Statute is laughable.

This sort of thing really begs the question on how exactly is America different from Russia when rogue states are concerned?

The US prosecutes it's own war criminals while Russia does not.

Daily reminder that we should bomb the Hague.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ ... ection_Act Maybe we will.

So you're saying the US doesn't recognise the ICC as legitimate? Now where have I heard that before...

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The thing is the ICC isn't talking about going after monsters like Robert Bales. The ICC is talking about putting George W Bush on trial. The US didn't sign any treaties to grant them such power and for good reason obviously. These threats are merely representative of the american right wing stance non former soviet union foreign political intervention.

The ICC is not talking about that, because the ICC has no jurisdiction over the US and it knows that. However, if American citizens commit war crimes in nations where the Rome Statute is ratified, the ICC can prosecute them. If Bush committed a Rome Statute crime it was the crime of aggression, which has not been properly formulated yet. If he did it, he did it from the States where, again, the ICC has no jurisdiction.

Can you find an ICC statement where they mention going after Bush?

[Telconi]

How dare people be against war crimes

"""war crimes"""

[Albrenia]

How dare people be against war crimes

"""war crimes"""

Well, they do happen, and even americans commit them.

[Telconi]

"""war crimes"""

Well, they do happen, and even americans commit them.

Indeed.

[Kaggeceria]

The ICC is a joke so there is literally nothing wrong with this.

[Rio Cana]

The door is to your left, please use it.

Imagine thinking that leaving a country for another is that easy.

If he deposits $5000 US dollars in a Paraguayan bank he can get instant Paraguayan citizenship. Of course, depending on the region of Paraguay he decides to live, he should buy a Toyota once in Paraguay. This explains the need for the Toyota - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTaD4h1MgcQ

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Thoughts? While I personally found this hilarious that the world superpower that claim to be committed to liberty, justice, and human right resort to straight to up use their power to threaten the international court when they're the one committing crime against humanity, it also concerning that the trump administration are so easy to abandon international institutions and the regime they uphold.

The US doesn't uphold the ICC. It withdrew from the Rome Statute over a decade ago, citing the lack of protection against corruption and politicization in the ICC and the fact that the US's standard of justice is already higher then the ICC's. What the ICC proposing (Kidnapping citizens to hold a nation to the terms of a treaty which they have not consented to) is in fact a violation of the Vienna Convention, a law which the Netherland has consented to. Further the idea that anything done by the US in the past 30 years meets the standards of gravity set by the Rome Statute is laughable.

This sort of thing really begs the question on how exactly is America different from Russia when rogue states are concerned?

The US prosecutes it's own war criminals while Russia does not.

Daily reminder that we should bomb the Hague.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ ... ection_Act Maybe we will.

Ohhh, I missed this one. You are wrong, by the way. The territoriality principle is as old as the Treaty of Westphalia. American citizens can be tried in foreign countries, that is not a violation of international law. If they could be tried in a Dutch court, they could be tried before the ICC. That is not a violation of America's sovereignty, as the US doesn't need to agree to the Rome Statute to have her citizens tried there, just as the Netherlands doesn't need permission to try a US citizen. The US sovereign rights are not violated. You also seem to be confusing the ICC and the Netherlands.

The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties does not apply here. Could you state what article would be violated?

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Can you find an ICC statement where they mention going after Bush?

Yes.

"Luis Moreno-Ocampo told The Sunday Telegraph in 2007 that he was willing to start an inquiry by the International Criminal Court (ICC), and possibly a trial, for war crimes committed in Iraq involving British Prime Minister Tony Blair and American President George W. Bush.[90] Though under the Rome Statute, the ICC has no jurisdiction over Bush, since the U.S. is not a State Party to the relevant treaty—unless Bush were accused of crimes inside a State Party, or the UN Security Council (where the U.S. has a veto) requested an investigation. However, Blair does fall under ICC jurisdiction as Britain is a State Party.[91]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... te_note-90

[Vassenor]

Can you find an ICC statement where they mention going after Bush?

Yes.

"Luis Moreno-Ocampo told The Sunday Telegraph in 2007 that he was willing to start an inquiry by the International Criminal Court (ICC), and possibly a trial, for war crimes committed in Iraq involving British Prime Minister Tony Blair and American President George W. Bush.[90] Though under the Rome Statute, the ICC has no jurisdiction over Bush, since the U.S. is not a State Party to the relevant treaty—unless Bush were accused of crimes inside a State Party, or the UN Security Council (where the U.S. has a veto) requested an investigation. However, Blair does fall under ICC jurisdiction as Britain is a State Party.[91]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... te_note-90

And what has happened on that front over the last eleven years?