Scomagia wrote:[You know perfectly well what I meant.
Do I, I don't know anything about you so I can only read the words you write, and you wrote.. 'Is it acceptable for the digital mob to dictate when a man can resume his art and livelihood?'.
So I responded to that.
I reiterate; what tangible good has MeToo done? What criminals have been brought down that otherwise wouldn't have been? Is it acceptable to continue to harangue someone that broke no laws, apologized for his inappropriate behavior, and now just wants to get back to work?
Here's the thing, seems everyone knew about Harvey Weinstein..
Rumors of Harvey Weinstein's "casting couch" practices circulated in Hollywood for years, and entertainment figures at times alluded to them.[5] As early as 1998, Gwyneth Paltrow said on Late Show with David Letterman that Weinstein "will coerce you to do a thing or two".[5] In 2005, Courtney Love advised young actresses in an interview, "If Harvey Weinstein invites you to a private party in the Four Seasons, don't go."[6] In 2010, an article titled "Harvey's Girls"[7] for Pajiba alluded to Weinstein's "casting couch" reputation: "Every few years, Harvey picks a new girl as his pet".[5] In 2012, a character on the TV series 30 Rock said: "I'm not afraid of anyone in show business, I turned down intercourse with Harvey Weinstein on no less than three occasions, out of five."[5] While announcing the 2013 nominees for the Best Supporting Acress Academy Award, Seth MacFarlane joked: "Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein."[5] After the allegations were published, director Quentin Tarantino said that he had known about Weinstein harassing actresses for decades, and had confronted him about it.[8] Ivana Lowell wrote in her book Why Not Say What Happened?, published in 2010, about misbehavior by Weinstein when she worked for the books division of Miramax. The incidents described were in her office when she was alone with Harvey Weinstein, and in her home when a female friend of hers was present. She wrote that she "knew about Harvey's reputation as a womanizer; tales of his trying to seduce every young actress in town were infamous."
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Everyone knew but he was influential so no one did anything, no one stood up, no one voiced out or if they did it was by allusion only, and so he was able to carry on and more and more people were affected.
Being sexually harassed is shaming to the person being harassed. It's not easy to talk about it. It's also not easy when you think you're alone and perceive that this behaviour is just part of the business. So to allow for people to feel they can speak out, and also for people to think this behaviour shouldn't be tolerated is a 'tangible good'. And it's also not easy when the response can be 'did you lead them on?', 'how were you dressed', or the stock talking heads responses per the OP, or the treatment of Anita Hill.. or Monica Lewinsky.. or god knows who else.
No criminals brought down?
Criminal investigations into complaints from at least six women are ongoing in Los Angeles, New York City, and London. On May 25, 2018, Weinstein was arrested in New York, charged with rape and other offenses, and released on bail.[1]
Well let's see.
As for Louis CK, he thought it was fine to invite people to his hotel room and then masturbate in front of them.. is it the most heinous thing in the world.. no? But for fuck's sake..
I mean to take it worse this thing of not speaking out against celebrity leads to Jimmy Saville being able to abuse hundreds of kids for years and nothing happens.
Yet for me it's as much about the ordinary everyday low level inappropriate behaviour.