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[Firaxin]

That's literally what he did as Jesus.

I didn't mean that. I mean he himself comes down from the heavens and without a shadow of a doubt, no mistranslations, no magical virgin birth, no sacrificing son so man can beg for forgiveness, no desert dwellers writing stuff down on scolls, just him talking to every single human about how he wants humanity to worship him. If that happened there would be no Orthodox, No Protestants, No Catholics, No Shias, No Sunnis, No Jews, No Buddhists, No Hindus, No Confucians, just one united Christianity. But, nah. This omnipowerful, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god instead hides behind a cloud and has his word spread through a book which has conflicting messages, stories, and interpretations and is spread by greedy and faliable men and women who can and will purposly stretch the bible to fit their specific cultural and personal values.

Because little would change overall. If He came down right now and did that I guarantee you there would still be other religions, and even atheists. Some people would refuse to submit and bow and violently lash out at those who do. Why? Because humans trust no one. Why would they all trust someone so powerful they defy, oppose, and embody logic simultaneously? Right now, you aren't trusting the disciples who wrote the Bible nor the Bible itself.

[Hammer Britannia]

I didn't mean that. I mean he himself comes down from the heavens and without a shadow of a doubt, no mistranslations, no magical virgin birth, no sacrificing son so man can beg for forgiveness, no desert dwellers writing stuff down on scolls, just him talking to every single human about how he wants humanity to worship him. If that happened there would be no Orthodox, No Protestants, No Catholics, No Shias, No Sunnis, No Jews, No Buddhists, No Hindus, No Confucians, just one united Christianity. But, nah. This omnipowerful, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god instead hides behind a cloud and has his word spread through a book which has conflicting messages, stories, and interpretations and is spread by greedy and faliable men and women who can and will purposly stretch the bible to fit their specific cultural and personal values.

Because little would change overall. If He came down right now and did that I guarantee you there would still be other religions, and even atheists. Some people would refuse to submit and bow and violently lash out at those who do. Why? Because humans trust no one. Why would they all trust someone so powerful they defy, oppose, and embody logic simultaneously? Right now, you aren't trusting the disciples who wrote the Bible nor the Bible itself.

Do you seriously have such a lack of faith in the intelligence of humans?


If the flying spagetti monster came down and told you "I exist, so eat spagetti every sunday or I will turn you into an apple" you're going to eat spagetti every sunday. Just the same as if Yaweh came down and said told every individual "I exist, so worship me every sunday or you will burn in hell". The difference between this scenario and Jesus is that Jesus was a carpenter that claimed to be god, in this scenario this higher being literally came down from the sky with a lot of fanfare and told every single individual the exact same thing in their exact same cultural language.

[Firaxin]

Because little would change overall. If He came down right now and did that I guarantee you there would still be other religions, and even atheists. Some people would refuse to submit and bow and violently lash out at those who do. Why? Because humans trust no one. Why would they all trust someone so powerful they defy, oppose, and embody logic simultaneously? Right now, you aren't trusting the disciples who wrote the Bible nor the Bible itself.

Do you seriously have such a lack of faith in the intelligence of humans?


If the flying spagetti monster came down and told you "I exist, so eat spagetti every sunday or I will turn you into an apple" you're going to eat spagetti every sunday. Just the same as if Yaweh came down and said told every individual "I exist, so worship me every sunday or you will burn in hell". The difference between this scenario and Jesus is that Jesus was a carpenter that claimed to be god, in this scenario this higher being literally came down from the sky with a lot of fanfare and told every single individual the exact same thing in their exact same cultural language.

You're implying humans are logical. That because we would die, we would eat the spaghetti. Boy, do I have news for you.

>Looks at EA
>Looks at Fascism
>Looks at Flat-earthers
>Looks at Self
>Looks at the Internet
>Looks at Captain Kirk

Hell, I'm illogical and stubborn enough to get myself turned into an apple.

[Hammer Britannia]

Do you seriously have such a lack of faith in the intelligence of humans?


If the flying spagetti monster came down and told you "I exist, so eat spagetti every sunday or I will turn you into an apple" you're going to eat spagetti every sunday. Just the same as if Yaweh came down and said told every individual "I exist, so worship me every sunday or you will burn in hell". The difference between this scenario and Jesus is that Jesus was a carpenter that claimed to be god, in this scenario this higher being literally came down from the sky with a lot of fanfare and told every single individual the exact same thing in their exact same cultural language.

You're implying humans are logical. That because we would die, we would eat the spaghetti. Boy, do I have news for you.

>Looks at EA
>Looks at Fascism
>Looks at Flat-earthers
>Looks at Self
>Looks at the Internet
>Looks at Captain Kirk

Hell, I'm illogical and stubborn enough to get myself turned into an apple.

Then why would a perfect god create such a subborn and mentally deficiant species to worship him?

[Firaxin]

You're implying humans are logical. That because we would die, we would eat the spaghetti. Boy, do I have news for you.

>Looks at EA
>Looks at Fascism
>Looks at Flat-earthers
>Looks at Self
>Looks at the Internet
>Looks at Captain Kirk

Hell, I'm illogical and stubborn enough to get myself turned into an apple.

Then why would a perfect god create such a subborn and mentally deficiant species to worship him?

I don't know exactly. Maybe he loves us? Maybe he finds us amusing? Maybe both? Ask Him.

[Great Minarchistan]

Yeah, I do, Jesus literally told us in the bible.

Not only Jesus isn't God -- rather, he is his son -- as well as he didn't write the Bible.

No but a large portion of people are.

A "large" (one every ten people in the world are poor) portion that is rapidly decreasing.

Well in that case, its moral if the government gets all the power, no? For you, at least, because greed is a virtue.

Sure why not

[Hammer Britannia]

Then why would a perfect god create such a subborn and mentally deficiant species to worship him?

I don't know exactly. Maybe he loves us? Maybe he finds us amusing? Maybe both? Ask Him.

If he loves us then why does he allow us to kill each other?

And if he finds it amusing, is he benevolent?

Also, I can't ask himh, he won't respond. Believe me, I tried.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

If Jesus loves us why can't we have decent broadband?

[Ethel mermania]

If Jesus loves us why can't we have decent broadband?

Last time he was here we crucified him, how 2ouod you respond? "Oh please sir, give me another nail"? I wouldn't be surprised if at this point Jesus was the head of Verizon marketing.


"Those stupid bjtches will not even read the not so fine print"

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

If Jesus loves us why can't we have decent broadband?

Last time he was here we crucified him, how 2ouod you respond? "Oh please sir, give me another nail"? I wouldn't be surprised if at this point Jesus was the head of Verizon marketing.


"Those stupid bjtches will not even read the not so fine print"

Holding a grudge for two millennia - he needs to spank his inner moppet and get over himself.

[Ethel mermania]

Last time he was here we crucified him, how 2ouod you respond? "Oh please sir, give me another nail"? I wouldn't be surprised if at this point Jesus was the head of Verizon marketing.


"Those stupid bjtches will not even read the not so fine print"

Holding a grudge for two millennia - he needs to spank his inner moppet and get over himself.

Pfft, revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

On a personal level I owe you an apology. I have not been on a PC so I have not written a poll for the trademark thread. Sorry.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Holding a grudge for two millennia - he needs to spank his inner moppet and get over himself.

Pfft, revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

On a personal level I owe you an apology. I have not been on a PC so I have not written a poll for the trademark thread. Sorry.

No need to apologise, the thread died rather rapidly

[Estanglia]

1.But how do you know he's god, other than what a book said? Buddha, for example, has plenty of great morals. You wouldn't call him god now would you?

2. So, Morality is subjective because everything in the Old Testament is overly exaggerated? What about the 10 commandments? The sins? What is an over exaggated moral story and what isn't? Is the entire thing bogus? Also, didn't some guy get eaten by a whale in the New Testemant? If some things in the book are exaggerated and other aren't, how are you supposed to know which is and which isn't? Perhaps the whole thing is exaggerated and up to interpetation, meaning morality is subjective, or the whole thing is supposed to be taken literally and it's perfectly to commit genocide just so long as god told you to. You cannot have both.

Buddha's morals didn't help me in my life, so why should I believe he was correct. I wouldn't consider him omnipotent since he hasn't displayed omniscience. God has displayed to me that His morals are correct, thus I believe in Him.

So, just because Buddha's morals didn't help you personally, they're incorrect? For somebody who claims that morals are objective cuz god, this seems like a very subjective way to define what morals are correct.

I didn't mean that. I mean he himself comes down from the heavens and without a shadow of a doubt, no mistranslations, no magical virgin birth, no sacrificing son so man can beg for forgiveness, no desert dwellers writing stuff down on scolls, just him talking to every single human about how he wants humanity to worship him. If that happened there would be no Orthodox, No Protestants, No Catholics, No Shias, No Sunnis, No Jews, No Buddhists, No Hindus, No Confucians, just one united Christianity. But, nah. This omnipowerful, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god instead hides behind a cloud and has his word spread through a book which has conflicting messages, stories, and interpretations and is spread by greedy and faliable men and women who can and will purposly stretch the bible to fit their specific cultural and personal values.

Because little would change overall. If He came down right now and did that I guarantee you there would still be other religions, and even atheists. Some people would refuse to submit and bow and violently lash out at those who do. Why? Because humans trust no one. Why would they all trust someone so powerful they defy, oppose, and embody logic simultaneously? Right now, you aren't trusting the disciples who wrote the Bible nor the Bible itself.

We're not trusting it because we have no reason to. It was written 2000 years ago, so we can't confirm that the writer was genuinely influenced by God or if he was a con artist that pulled off the greatest trick ever, the proof for God is lacklustre if not nonexistent and for a guy who is apparently benevolent, there is a lot of evil and suffering. Why should we trust the bible?

[Firaxin]

Yeah, I do, Jesus literally told us in the bible.

Not only Jesus isn't God -- rather, he is his son -- as well as he didn't write the Bible.

No but a large portion of people are.

A "large" (one every ten people in the world are poor) portion that is rapidly decreasing.

Well in that case, its moral if the government gets all the power, no? For you, at least, because greed is a virtue.

Sure why not

Jesus is God and the son simultaneously, and His Word is in the Bible.

That's 10% out of 8 billion, that's a huge amount. 800 million is a ton of people.

[Firaxin]

I don't know exactly. Maybe he loves us? Maybe he finds us amusing? Maybe both? Ask Him.

If he loves us then why does he allow us to kill each other?

And if he finds it amusing, is he benevolent?

Also, I can't ask himh, he won't respond. Believe me, I tried.

Free Will and Suffering, we must overcome evil ourselves to truly become better.

Yes. You may find a child amusing, but if they were your son or sibling you'd love them at the same time.

God has a habit of speaking indirectly. I was mostly just joking about asking Him, He'd be the only one to know the answer, and He's probably not going to tell you while your alive.

[Petrolheadia]

Not only Jesus isn't God -- rather, he is his son -- as well as he didn't write the Bible.


A "large" (one every ten people in the world are poor) portion that is rapidly decreasing.


Sure why not

Jesus is God and the son simultaneously, and His Word is in the Bible.

That's a hard-to-believe story. Proof?

That's 10% out of 8 billion, that's a huge amount. 800 million is a ton of people.

Because it is a percentage of a huge number.

If he loves us then why does he allow us to kill each other?

And if he finds it amusing, is he benevolent?

Also, I can't ask himh, he won't respond. Believe me, I tried.

Free Will and Suffering, we must overcome evil ourselves to truly become better.

Why couldn't he make us good in the first place?

Yes. You may find a child amusing, but if they were your son or sibling you'd love them at the same time.

And not leave him for dead.

God has a habit of speaking indirectly. I was mostly just joking about asking Him, He'd be the only one to know the answer, and He's probably not going to tell you while your alive.

His loss.

[Ethel mermania]

Not only Jesus isn't God -- rather, he is his son -- as well as he didn't write the Bible.


A "large" (one every ten people in the world are poor) portion that is rapidly decreasing.


Sure why not

Jesus is God and the son simultaneously, and His Word is in the Bible.

That's 10% out of 8 billion, that's a huge amount. 800 million is a ton of people.

Hey I have an idea, why do t you tWo go make out in a thread about God, instead of Verizon .

This is about Verizon, net neutrality and data caps.

NOT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD


thank you for your time.

[Firaxin]

Buddha's morals didn't help me in my life, so why should I believe he was correct. I wouldn't consider him omnipotent since he hasn't displayed omniscience. God has displayed to me that His morals are correct, thus I believe in Him.

So, just because Buddha's morals didn't help you personally, they're incorrect? For somebody who claims that morals are objective cuz god, this seems like a very subjective way to define what morals are correct.

Because little would change overall. If He came down right now and did that I guarantee you there would still be other religions, and even atheists. Some people would refuse to submit and bow and violently lash out at those who do. Why? Because humans trust no one. Why would they all trust someone so powerful they defy, oppose, and embody logic simultaneously? Right now, you aren't trusting the disciples who wrote the Bible nor the Bible itself.

We're not trusting it because we have no reason to. It was written 2000 years ago, so we can't confirm that the writer was genuinely influenced by God or if he was a con artist that pulled off the greatest trick ever, the proof for God is lacklustre if not nonexistent and for a guy who is apparently benevolent, there is a lot of evil and suffering. Why should we trust the bible?

Yes. I've found Jesus' word to be objectively true through my own experience. It is a fact that I feel better and am better as a person after I stopped doing many wrongs I had justified to myself. Not only that, but if Jesus was correct about morality, then he is more likely to be correct about being the Savior of Man. Which means God exists, and if God exists he would know what is right and is wrong because he is both Omniscient and decided what was wrong and right when he created the universe, therefore they are objective.

It's understandable that you wouldn't trust a book so old and propagated by fallible humans, I dont trust someone who asks to borrow a pencil. Once again, Suffering and Evil are required for Happiness and Good.

[Petrolheadia]

Jesus is God and the son simultaneously, and His Word is in the Bible.

That's 10% out of 8 billion, that's a huge amount. 800 million is a ton of people.

Hey I have an idea, why do t you tWo go make out in a thread about God, instead of Verizon .

This is about Verizon, net neutrality and data caps.

NOT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD


thank you for your time.

I think we just moved on after establishing that they got what they paid for.

[Kubrath]

They are right where they were when I started arguing, just because you saw them elsewhere....

"But muh nukes" is a shitty argument against the Roman Legion being an effective army, ngl.

Not only is it a bad argument, but GPS exited before the Internet and they had no trouble dropping nukes without that, either.

[Firaxin]

Jesus is God and the son simultaneously, and His Word is in the Bible.

That's a hard-to-believe story. Proof?

That's 10% out of 8 billion, that's a huge amount. 800 million is a ton of people.

Because it is a percentage of a huge number.

Free Will and Suffering, we must overcome evil ourselves to truly become better.

Why couldn't he make us good in the first place?

Yes. You may find a child amusing, but if they were your son or sibling you'd love them at the same time.

And not leave him for dead.

God has a habit of speaking indirectly. I was mostly just joking about asking Him, He'd be the only one to know the answer, and He's probably not going to tell you while your alive.

His loss.

Omnipotence is why it's possible, but apart from that there is no scientific evidence for the Trinity. It's one of the more confusing parts of Christianity. Jesus claimed the trinity was a thing as he consistently refers to the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Yes.

He wanted us to be good ourselves.

>Implying He's left us for dead

Indeed. Just in case, this isn't sarcasm, I can see how it might appear to be that way.

[Firaxin]

Jesus is God and the son simultaneously, and His Word is in the Bible.

That's 10% out of 8 billion, that's a huge amount. 800 million is a ton of people.

Hey I have an idea, why do t you tWo go make out in a thread about God, instead of Verizon .

This is about Verizon, net neutrality and data caps.

NOT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD


thank you for your time.

OK OK, I'll leave it at that.

[Kubrath]

So, just because Buddha's morals didn't help you personally, they're incorrect? For somebody who claims that morals are objective cuz god, this seems like a very subjective way to define what morals are correct.


We're not trusting it because we have no reason to. It was written 2000 years ago, so we can't confirm that the writer was genuinely influenced by God or if he was a con artist that pulled off the greatest trick ever, the proof for God is lacklustre if not nonexistent and for a guy who is apparently benevolent, there is a lot of evil and suffering. Why should we trust the bible?

Yes. I've found Jesus' word to be objectively true through my own experience. It is a fact that I feel better and am better as a person after I stopped doing many wrongs I had justified to myself. Not only that, but if Jesus was correct about morality, then he is more likely to be correct about being the Savior of Man. Which means God exists, and if God exists he would know what is right and is wrong because he is both Omniscient and decided what was wrong and right when he created the universe, therefore they are objective.

It's understandable that you wouldn't trust a book so old and propagated by infallible humans, I dont trust someone who asks to borrow a pencil. Once again, Suffering and Evil are required for Happiness and Good.

So many fallacies in this one. First off, how did you find "Jesus' word" (how do you know it's his word; who is Jesus, etc, etc?) to be objectively true? Just because you found it useful doesn't make it true. Even if this word was correct about 1 thing, it doesn't automatically mean or even imply it is more likely to be correct about another, especially if that other thing is as vague and absurd as "Savior of Man". Even granting all of that, you still have all your work cut out for you to prove that any god exists, let alone this one particular flavor you've picked. But even if God did exist and they were the God of the New Testament that does not mean that they would by default know right from wrong. Also, you cannot have objective morality if you have one agent deciding what constitutes morality -- that's the very definition of a subjective morality: whatever God says is right, is right. If tomorrow they say eating babies is moral, it would be moral according to your logic. Objective morality is achieved through principles and premises that go beyond the sensibilities of a single individual. That includes a deity.

Lastly, you probably meant "fallible" not "infallible" humans. But even if you disregard all of the above, the fact that this supposedly benevolent being sits around and does not, for instance, cure cancer on little children is all you need to know about their real benevolence. If I had their power, I wouldn't even think about it -- I'd do it in an instant. And no, free will isn't an excuse. They made this mess, they should clean it up. If they're really omniscient, then they would know what they would be getting themselves into but yet they went ahead and did it anyway. A truly scummy move, I'll tell you what.

[Great Minarchistan]

That's 10% out of 8 billion, that's a huge amount. 800 million is a ton of people.

800 million out of 8 billion is no larger than what 10 is to 100, stats 101. FYI, even the nominal number of poor people has decreased, so hooray I guess?