The NationStates Feminist Thread III

[Costa Fierro]

Another fair point I should've accounted for. Luckily, though, we're getting Equality^TM by forcing women to be draftees and conscripts alongside men on an increasingly larger scale for the bourgeois states.

Not really true at all. Of the countries where conscription still exists, it is largely men who are obliged to perform military service. Only eight countries actively conscript women. And even then, women are subject to less time in military service.

As for the United States, what is wrong with women being drafted when the draft is reintroduced? Equal rights means equal responsibilities.

[Torrocca]

Another fair point I should've accounted for. Luckily, though, we're getting Equality^TM by forcing women to be draftees and conscripts alongside men on an increasingly larger scale for the bourgeois states.

Not really true at all. Of the countries where conscription still exists, it is largely men who are obliged to perform military service. Only eight countries actively conscript women. And even then, women are subject to less time in military service.

That's still more than it was previously in the old age of the 20th century.

As for the United States, what is wrong with women being drafted when the draft is reintroduced? Equal rights means equal responsibilities.

No draft would be much better.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not really true at all. Of the countries where conscription still exists, it is largely men who are obliged to perform military service. Only eight countries actively conscript women. And even then, women are subject to less time in military service.

That's still more than it was previously in the old age of the 20th century.

As for the United States, what is wrong with women being drafted when the draft is reintroduced? Equal rights means equal responsibilities.

No draft would be much better.

Sorry, duty calls.

[Torrocca]

That's still more than it was previously in the old age of the 20th century.



No draft would be much better.

Sorry, duty calls.

Nah. I'd rather not serve the bourgie states tyvm.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Sorry, duty calls.

Nah. I'd rather not serve the bourgie states tyvm.

Too bad, it's either that or the Communist state.

>Inb4 that's an oxymoron
We're assuming Communists develop past their current glorified book club form once again.

[Torrocca]

Nah. I'd rather not serve the bourgie states tyvm.

Too bad, it's either that or the Communist state.

>Inb4 that's an oxymoron
We're assuming Communists develop past their current glorified book club form once again.

I choose Anarchy instead :^)

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Too bad, it's either that or the Communist state.

>Inb4 that's an oxymoron
We're assuming Communists develop past their current glorified book club form once again.

I choose Anarchy instead :^)

Allow me to rephrase that.

We're assuming Anarchists develop past their current glorified book club form.

[Torrocca]

I choose Anarchy instead :^)

Allow me to rephrase that.

We're assuming Anarchists develop past their current glorified book club form.

Catalonia, the Zapatistas, arguably Rojava, that one good movement in Sri Lanka, etc.

[Albrenia]

Although this is the Feminism thread, I will say I never really understood Anarchists, or their hyphenated siblings. Chaos just invites some new authoritarian figure to rise and try to take control.

[Torrocca]

Although this is the Feminism thread, I will say I never really understood Anarchists, or their hyphenated siblings. Chaos just invites some new authoritarian figure to rise and try to take control.

Anarchism means no rulers, not no rules. Hence, Anarchy's not about chaos.

[Des-Bal]

Anarchism means no rulers, not no rules. Hence, Anarchy's not about chaos.

Right it's about the nine seconds before the first guy to pick up a stick starts telling other people what to do.

[Torrocca]

Anarchism means no rulers, not no rules. Hence, Anarchy's not about chaos.

Right it's about the nine seconds before the first guy to pick up a stick starts telling other people what to do.

Leadership doesn't necessarily necessitate an unjust hierarchy :^)

[Des-Bal]

Leadership doesn't necessarily necessitate an unjust hierarchy :^)

No, if you think it's just for stick guy, his associates, and those who have curried his favor to call the shots the hierarchy is totally just.

[Torrocca]

Leadership doesn't necessarily necessitate an unjust hierarchy :^)

No, if you think it's just for stick guy, his associates, and those who have curried his favor to call the shots the hierarchy is totally just.

Nah, that's unjust.

But I digress, this isn't the thread for this conversation.

[New haven america]

Another fair point I should've accounted for. Luckily, though, we're getting Equality^TM by forcing women to be draftees and conscripts alongside men on an increasingly larger scale for the bourgeois states.

Not really true at all. Of the countries where conscription still exists, it is largely men who are obliged to perform military service. Only eight countries actively conscript women. And even then, women are subject to less time in military service.

As for the United States, what is wrong with women being drafted when the draft is reintroduced? Equal rights means equal responsibilities.

Yes, they should also be drafted.

Also, we need to get rid of the draft system.

[Costa Fierro]

That's still more than it was previously in the old age of the 20th century.

Well most of these countries didn't exist until the middle of the 20th century. Only Sweden and Norway existed beforehand, and even then, conscription for women came much later. Norway introduced mandatory military service for women in 2013. Sweden had conscription between 1901 and 2010, when it was mothballed and the law also made gender neutral simultaneously. When plans for conscription were reintroduced, the new law meant women were required to serve too.

As for the United States, what is wrong with women being drafted when the draft is reintroduced? Equal rights means equal responsibilities.

No draft would be much better.[/quote]

Well yes. I am a fan of putting conscription to a referendum, and then those voting in favour being the first to be conscripted. But the idea that somehow women should be exempt, or that requiring women to sign up for Selective Service is the "wrong" kind of equality is very much indicative of an attitude among many that equality means privileges for women.

[Forsher]

The major purposes of the fourth wave feminist movement relate to the successful assertion of female interests and prominence of femininity in society. By campaigning to increase the number of women working in scientific and technical fields, promoting equitable access to social support and advocating for legal reform in key areas such as family law fourth wave feminists hope to improve the emotional and material standing of women.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-45261188

Pretty sad news. I hope it doesn't end up being used as a tool to bludgeon the #MeToo movement with.

I hope it completely torpedoes it. Too many people are rejecting skepticism for the sake of being supportive to victims and what we've seen with Rose McGowan's shameless backpedaling is that it's because they are denying the humanity of the accused.

Updated reaction.

[Albrenia]

It does only seem fair that conscription and the like hits everyone equally, although the whole concept of the draft is something I dislike.

[Ors Might]

The major purposes of the fourth wave feminist movement relate to the successful assertion of female interests and prominence of femininity in society. By campaigning to increase the number of women working in scientific and technical fields, promoting equitable access to social support and advocating for legal reform in key areas such as family law fourth wave feminists hope to improve the emotional and material standing of women.

I hope it completely torpedoes it. Too many people are rejecting skepticism for the sake of being supportive to victims and what we've seen with Rose McGowan's shameless backpedaling is that it's because they are denying the humanity of the accused.

Updated reaction.

I’m not sure why women being in positions of authority are supposed to consistently translate into gains for women as a whole when most women don’t identify as feminist. Individual men being in authority positions doesn’t result in gains for men either so I’m curious as to how fourth wave feminists have come to this conclusion.

Damn it, it’s blocked in my area.

[Forsher]

Damn it, it’s blocked in my area.

Really? Try what I think is the original source.

[Ors Might]

Damn it, it’s blocked in my area.

Really? Try what I think is the original source.

Now it’s working. Much appreciated.

Given the screenshots of the texts and the fact that she paid him off, I’m pretty confident in asserting that she’s likely guilty of statutory rape. Still, she deserves to have her day in court.

[Ostroeuropa]

The major purposes of the fourth wave feminist movement relate to the successful assertion of female interests and prominence of femininity in society. By campaigning to increase the number of women working in scientific and technical fields, promoting equitable access to social support and advocating for legal reform in key areas such as family law fourth wave feminists hope to improve the emotional and material standing of women.

I hope it completely torpedoes it. Too many people are rejecting skepticism for the sake of being supportive to victims and what we've seen with Rose McGowan's shameless backpedaling is that it's because they are denying the humanity of the accused.

Updated reaction.

Disagree this is a complete analysis. Their actions on rape and DV show that another major purpose is to violate the due process rights of men, and their campaigning surrounding those topics demonstrates an additional purpose of misrepresenting rape and DV and prevalence of women perpetrators, and to disproportionately portray men as perpetrators. There's other stuff too.

A fair and complete analysis would conclude that not only is it a female interests lobby (and that apparently it is in womens interests to gaslight men over this and claim it's an equality movement rather than a womens lobby, then use that gaslighting as an excuse to shut down male attempts to organize to combat female privilege, comparable to strike breaking behavior from ruling classes), but an anti-male lobby.

[Hirota]

Damn it, it’s blocked in my area.

Really? Try what I think is the original source.

On one hand, good for McGowanfor being finally consistent at least. It would be hypocritical to be advocating for arguing for "always believing the victims" when it's convenient, and then choosing not to when it's inconvenient. It would demonstrate how metoo is nothing more than a special interests group out to protect it's own Hollywood members.

On the other hand, surely #metoo should realise that "always believing the victims" is insane and regressive. Blackstone is turning in his grave. Argento, just like Weinstein, Spacey and most of the other #metoo allegations boil down to little more than 'he said, she said.’ Accusations - even multiple accusations - are not proof of guilt, should never be treated as proof of guilt, and the accusers are not always right.

[Des-Bal]

On one hand, good for McGowanfor being finally consistent at least. It would be hypocritical to be advocating for arguing for "always believing the victims" when it's convenient, and then choosing not to when it's inconvenient. It would demonstrate how metoo is nothing more than a special interests group out to protect it's own Hollywood members.

On the other hand, surely #metoo should realise that "always believing the victims" is insane and regressive. Blackstone is turning in his grave. Argento, just like Weinstein, Spacey and most of the other #metoo allegations boil down to little more than 'he said, she said.’ Accusations - even multiple accusations - are not proof of guilt, should never be treated as proof of guilt, and the accusers are not always right.

Argento has text records admitting guilt.

[Zapato]

On one hand, good for McGowanfor being finally consistent at least. It would be hypocritical to be advocating for arguing for "always believing the victims" when it's convenient, and then choosing not to when it's inconvenient. It would demonstrate how metoo is nothing more than a special interests group out to protect it's own Hollywood members.

On the other hand, surely #metoo should realise that "always believing the victims" is insane and regressive. Blackstone is turning in his grave. Argento, just like Weinstein, Spacey and most of the other #metoo allegations boil down to little more than 'he said, she said.’ Accusations - even multiple accusations - are not proof of guilt, should never be treated as proof of guilt, and the accusers are not always right.

Argento has text records admitting guilt.

Not really. Admitting sexual contact, yes. Admitting guilt, no.

She said, among other things, "I had sex with him and it felt weird. I didn’t know he was a minor until the shakedown letter." "The horny kid jumped me." "It wasn’t raped [sic] but I was frozen. He was on top of me."