LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Nekokuni]

Unless I'm mistaken, don't you reject the idea of human nature as well?

Absolutely not. I believe, like most critical realists, that our human nature is the shared cosmic envelope. What I reject is individual human nature.

What in the world is a cosmic envelope?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

So how do members of LWDT feel about the Dalai Lama?

Mixed. The Dalai Lama calls himself a Marxist and a communist, but he leads a rather bourgeois lifestyle.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

What in the world is a cosmic envelope?

According to Roy Bhaskar, it is the nondual (what Hindus call advaita) world we are all a part of.

[Pasong Tirad]

So how do members of LWDT feel about the Dalai Lama?

You mean the true sovereign and rightful ruler of Tibet?

[Nekokuni]

So how do members of LWDT feel about the Dalai Lama?

Mixed. The Dalai Lama calls himself a Marxist and a communist, but he leads a rather bourgeois lifestyle.

His Holiness lives a pretty strict regimented lifestyle, befitting of a monk. I don't really know how one can refer to him as bourgeois in behavior.

What in the world is a cosmic envelope?

According to Roy Bhaskar, it is the nondual (what Hindus call advaita) world we are all a part of.

Oh, alright then.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Oh, alright then.

Roy took libertarian Marxist communism and combined it with spirituality. In his later writings, he uses a lot Hindu, Buddhist, and Taoist terms, including the Sanskrit advaita.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

His Holiness lives a pretty strict regimented lifestyle, befitting of a monk. I don't really know how one can refer to him as bourgeois in behavior.

Here is a story about his Marxism and communism.

Here is a story about his approach to so-called free enterprise.

Contradiction? Others can decide that.

[Bakery Hill]

On the other hand you've got Goering and Pelley, who... yeah.

Daily reminder that Pelley should NOT be a natpop and should at most be a social conservative. He's a horribly misunderstood character and the only reason he's present in KR as the natpop option for the AUS is because Pdox is lazy and decided to make him a fascist leader in the base game which is a wildly inaccurate title for him and his beliefs.

Well Paradox doesn't make KR for starters.

And really there are plenty of reasons to make him fascistic in this this bizarre semi-coherent fictional mod.

(oh you're talking about Vanilla nevermind, but still there's even more justification to lump him in with the fascists)

[Proctopeo]

Daily reminder that Pelley should NOT be a natpop and should at most be a social conservative. He's a horribly misunderstood character and the only reason he's present in KR as the natpop option for the AUS is because Pdox is lazy and decided to make him a fascist leader in the base game which is a wildly inaccurate title for him and his beliefs.

Well Paradox doesn't make KR for starters.

And really there are plenty of reasons to make him fascistic in this this bizarre semi-coherent fictional mod.

He's fascist in the base game. I assume he's Natpop in KR in part due to his real-life policies and beliefs in the late 30s and early 40s, and being the fascist leader in the base game.

[United Muscovite Nations]

A new report came out showing that 52% of people under 18 live in households on government assistance, and conservative pundits go ape about how there's too much welfare, totally ignoring that average wages have actually decreased since 1970 when you adjust for inflation

[Democratic Communist Federation]

The only viable response to fascism is the autonomist libertarian Marxism one: Antifa. Contrary to a lot of right-wing propaganda, it has nothing to do with punching people (which has only been done by a few nuts here and there). Fascism and its cohorts must be challenged and, ultimately, destroyed. I describe a nonviolent approach to doing so in that website. However, there is no room for compromise or accommodation. As history has shown us, the consequences of doing nothing are simply too dire.

[Nekokuni]

His Holiness lives a pretty strict regimented lifestyle, befitting of a monk. I don't really know how one can refer to him as bourgeois in behavior.

Here is a story about his Marxism and communism.

Here is a story about his approach to so-called free enterprise.

Contradiction? Others can decide that.

That Tricycle article is not a story about HHDL, it's an article that includes some of his statements about Marxism, but discusses Western Buddhism's relationship with socialism and Occupy Wall Street in general. There doesn't seem to be any contradiction in either of those articles, unless you believe that this part of the second one is:

He insisted that while free enterprise could be a blessing, it was not guaranteed to be so. Markets are instrumental, not intrinsic, for human flourishing. As with any tool, wielding capitalism for good requires deep moral awareness. Only activities motivated by a concern for others’ well-being, he declared, could be truly “constructive.”

Free enterprise and capitalism can be used as tools for productivity and benevolence, though to a more limited extent than socialism.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Free enterprise and capitalism can be used as tools for productivity and benevolence, though to a more limited extent than socialism.

I don't know any Marxist communist that would say that.

[Nekokuni]

Free enterprise and capitalism can be used as tools for productivity and benevolence, though to a more limited extent than socialism.

I don't know any Marxist communist that would say that.

The bourgeoisie, during its rule of scarce one hundred years, has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than have all preceding generations together. Subjection of Nature's forces to man, machinery, application of chemistry to industry and agriculture, steam-navigation, railways, electric telegraphs, clearing of whole continents for cultivation, canalization of rivers, whole populations conjured out of the ground--what earlier century had even a presentiment that such productive forces slumbered in the lap of social labor?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

The bourgeoisie, during its rule of scarce one hundred years, has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than have all preceding generations together. Subjection of Nature's forces to man, machinery, application of chemistry to industry and agriculture, steam-navigation, railways, electric telegraphs, clearing of whole continents for cultivation, canalization of rivers, whole populations conjured out of the ground--what earlier century had even a presentiment that such productive forces slumbered in the lap of social labor?

Marx was an honest man. However, he despised capitalism and worked for his whole life to destroy it.

[Liriena]

TYT also employs the conspiracy theorist Jimmy Dore.

Generally speaking, I have never liked TYT and always regarded them as repulsive and bourgeois, but, then again, I am a commie.

Yeah there's not really many good and popular left wing stuff that isn't bourgeois in my experience. Maybe some of Metro (UK). (I have to mention this, given that a syndie comrade of mine is married to an editor.)

Secular Talk is pretty good, if slightly too much of a social progressive for my tastes. I forgot about him.

Sam Seder's good, as is the Youtube New Left. :3

Also, I will not suffer any defamation of our future Supreme Chairman, the greatest revolutionary of our generation... tovarishch Dore!

[Liriena]

A new report came out showing that 52% of people under 18 live in households on government assistance, and conservative pundits go ape about how there's too much welfare, totally ignoring that average wages have actually decreased since 1970 when you adjust for inflation

Right-wing thought today needs that sort of self-contradiction to sustain itself, because the socioeconomic conditions that it is their main goal to protect are themselves self-contradictory.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

A new report came out showing that 52% of people under 18 live in households on government assistance, and conservative pundits go ape about how there's too much welfare, totally ignoring that average wages have actually decreased since 1970 when you adjust for inflation

I would say 50% of under 18s living in households on welfare IS too much welfare, that doesn't seem controversial to me.

[Liriena]

A new report came out showing that 52% of people under 18 live in households on government assistance, and conservative pundits go ape about how there's too much welfare, totally ignoring that average wages have actually decreased since 1970 when you adjust for inflation

I would say 50% of under 18s living in households on welfare IS too much welfare, that doesn't seem controversial to me.

I mean, it is too much if you think about in terms of "Oh, hell, somebody screwed up our economy if families can't provide for most of their children", but not too much in the sense of "oh, we need welfare cuts so those teenagers, children and toddlers can get jobs".

[Second Empire of America]

The only viable response to fascism is the autonomist libertarian Marxism one: Antifa. Contrary to a lot of right-wing propaganda, it has nothing to do with punching people (which has only been done by a few nuts here and there). Fascism and its cohorts must be challenged and, ultimately, destroyed. I describe a nonviolent approach to doing so in that website. However, there is no room for compromise or accommodation. As history has shown us, the consequences of doing nothing are simply too dire.

Good to see another Antifa supporter here. Fascism is evil incarnate, and we must all join together to destroy it.

I don't particularly care how fascism is stopped. I support nonviolent methods of defeating the fascists, like you do, but solely because I think it's more effective. Stopping fascists with violence is morally acceptable, but it is a losing tactic right now.

(Also, the site you link to is broken on mobile. Phones can't scroll on it at all.)

[Torrocca]

I would say 50% of under 18s living in households on welfare IS too much welfare, that doesn't seem controversial to me.

I mean, it is too much if you think about in terms of "Oh, hell, somebody screwed up our economy if families can't provide for most of their children", but not too much in the sense of "oh, we need welfare cuts so those teenagers, children and toddlers can get jobs".

Most "Libertarians"* wouldn't see it that way if you brought up the issue to them, though.

*This above statement doesn't apply to those Libertarians who actually realize the fuckery inherent to this, and especially not Xen because he's good about thinking about this stuff <3

[Grenartia]

Absolutely not. I believe, like most critical realists, that our human nature is the shared cosmic envelope. What I reject is individual human nature.

What in the world is a cosmic envelope?

Its the structure that contains this universe, which is, in actuality, in the back of some postal vehicle doing its rounds in some city in a different universe. We're a birthday card. God is Hallmark.

Mixed. The Dalai Lama calls himself a Marxist and a communist, but he leads a rather bourgeois lifestyle.

His Holiness lives a pretty strict regimented lifestyle, befitting of a monk. I don't really know how one can refer to him as bourgeois in behavior.

Who decides what is and isn't a "bourgeois" lifestyle? Why shouldn't people enjoy a middle-class standard of living?

Yeah there's not really many good and popular left wing stuff that isn't bourgeois in my experience. Maybe some of Metro (UK). (I have to mention this, given that a syndie comrade of mine is married to an editor.)

Secular Talk is pretty good, if slightly too much of a social progressive for my tastes. I forgot about him.

Sam Seder's good, as is the Youtube New Left. :3

Also, I will not suffer any defamation of our future Supreme Chairman, the greatest revolutionary of our generation... tovarishch Dore!

I prefer the Radical Socialist Triumvirate of Harris, Natalie, and Shaun.

A new report came out showing that 52% of people under 18 live in households on government assistance, and conservative pundits go ape about how there's too much welfare, totally ignoring that average wages have actually decreased since 1970 when you adjust for inflation

I would say 50% of under 18s living in households on welfare IS too much welfare, that doesn't seem controversial to me.

Why?

I would say 50% of under 18s living in households on welfare IS too much welfare, that doesn't seem controversial to me.

I mean, it is too much if you think about in terms of "Oh, hell, somebody screwed up our economy if families can't provide for most of their children", but not too much in the sense of "oh, we need welfare cuts so those teenagers, children and toddlers can get jobs".

Indeed. Besides, with increasing automation, we should embrace welfare, instead of recoiling from it in horror.

The only viable response to fascism is the autonomist libertarian Marxism one: Antifa. Contrary to a lot of right-wing propaganda, it has nothing to do with punching people (which has only been done by a few nuts here and there). Fascism and its cohorts must be challenged and, ultimately, destroyed. I describe a nonviolent approach to doing so in that website. However, there is no room for compromise or accommodation. As history has shown us, the consequences of doing nothing are simply too dire.

Good to see another Antifa supporter here. Fascism is evil incarnate, and we must all join together to destroy it.

I don't particularly care how fascism is stopped. I support nonviolent methods of defeating the fascists, like you do, but solely because I think it's more effective. Stopping fascists with violence is morally acceptable, but it is a losing tactic right now.

(Also, the site you link to is broken on mobile. Phones can't scroll on it at all.)

I also agree.

Press A to smash the fash.

[Aellex]

So how do members of LWDT feel about the Dalai Lama?

Mixed. The Dalai Lama calls himself a Marxist and a communist, but he leads a rather bourgeois lifestyle.

>when the upper-middle class university humanities professor call anyone else's life-style "bourgeois"
Really makes you :thonk:

[Musk]

Mixed. The Dalai Lama calls himself a Marxist and a communist, but he leads a rather bourgeois lifestyle.

>when the upper-middle class university humanities professor call anyone else's life-style "bourgeois"
Really makes you :thonk:

If anyone here can call someone else bourgeois, it's me, a lower middle class high school kid from North Carolina.

[Grenartia]

>when the upper-middle class university humanities professor call anyone else's life-style "bourgeois"
Really makes you :thonk:

If anyone here can call someone else bourgeois, it's me, a lower middle class high school kid from North Carolina.

I never understood why it seems most on the left hate the bourgeois even more than the elites that they serve.