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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:23 am

Vassenor wrote:


Good thing the First Amendment exists then.


dunno but first amendment only covers the United States and is not a global phenomenon.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:24 am

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Vassenor wrote:
Good thing the First Amendment exists then.


dunno but first amendment only covers the United States and is not a global phenomenon.


And we're talking about internet use in the United States.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:26 am

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dunno but first amendment only covers the United States and is not a global phenomenon.


And we're talking about internet use in the United States.


so? Government direct control of the means of communication and knowledge such as the internet has no pertaining to the citizenry nor protection when you have the PATRIOT act laying around just waiting for somebody to mess up.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:28 am

Vassenor wrote:


Good thing the First Amendment exists then.


I'll pass on the reasonable limitations thanks.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:29 am

Vassenor wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
dunno but first amendment only covers the United States and is not a global phenomenon.


And we're talking about internet use in the United States.

Of a fire dept. Not exactly a free speech issue. Besides you don't believe in free speech anyway, so why pretend to support it.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:31 am

Santa Clara County Fire Chief Anthony Bowden made the claim in an addendum to a brief that 22 state attorneys general filed in a lawsuit seeking to overturn the Federal Communications Commission’s repeal of net neutrality rules.

Net neutrality is a lie and doesn't actually exist.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:32 am

Saiwania wrote:A fire department doesn't need Internet strictly speaking. Fire departments have been around for longer than the Internet has existed. They get a phone call, they get an address, and using a map or GPS, they deploy a truck and that is it.

Ya that’s not going to work at all. Especially in large cities. The internet is there so 911 center can dispatch emergency services quickly and effectively
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Postby Firaxin » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:34 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Santa Clara County Fire Chief Anthony Bowden made the claim in an addendum to a brief that 22 state attorneys general filed in a lawsuit seeking to overturn the Federal Communications Commission’s repeal of net neutrality rules.

Net neutrality is a lie and doesn't actually exist.

:rofl:

Now I see what you guys mean by NS Summer.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:34 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Because you don't understand the difference between net neutrality and datacaps?

Or doesn't like contract law.

Or hates companies like VZW
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:40 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:A fire department doesn't need Internet strictly speaking. Fire departments have been around for longer than the Internet has existed. They get a phone call, they get an address, and using a map or GPS, they deploy a truck and that is it.

Ya that’s not going to work at all. Especially in large cities. The internet is there so 911 center can dispatch emergency services quickly and effectively

911 call centers, and e911 services are not internet based.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:42 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya that’s not going to work at all. Especially in large cities. The internet is there so 911 center can dispatch emergency services quickly and effectively

911 call centers, and e911 services are not internet based.

Well they are where I live. The entire county emergency system is
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:42 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Or doesn't like contract law.

Or hates companies like VZW


I too hate them, I much prefer superior single letter ticker companies.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:44 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:911 call centers, and e911 services are not internet based.

Well they are where I live. The entire county emergency system is

Well don't skimp on your data plan.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:49 am

Telconi wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Or hates companies like VZW


I too hate them, I much prefer superior single letter ticker companies.

Oh I agree. T is much better
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:58 am

Firaxin wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Net neutrality is a lie and doesn't actually exist.

:rofl:

Now I see what you guys mean by NS Summer.

Lots of people like to believe net neutrality exists, both laws mandating it don't in the U.S. Major corporations such as Netflix, Google, and Amazon are pissed off about the FCC repealing net neutrality laws, but others never followed them. Verizon and AT&T love favoring their content over all else, but Verizon doesn't seem to care about things that aren't as profitable.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:04 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Or doesn't like contract law.

Or hates companies like VZW

Read contracts, understand contracts, pick contract which applies to your useage, everything is good.
The provider could decide to voyd that rule for the duration of an emergency but they're not, as far as I'm aware, legally obligated to and doing that would essentially be a nice goodwill gesture.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:13 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:911 call centers, and e911 services are not internet based.

Well they are where I live. The entire county emergency system is

I am on my phone, I can only find how e911 services are done on IP devices. I am not seeing info on 911 IP baaed call centers. (Doesn't mean they don't exist). My phone searches stink.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:14 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Firaxin wrote: :rofl:

Now I see what you guys mean by NS Summer.

Lots of people like to believe net neutrality exists, both laws mandating it don't in the U.S. Major corporations such as Netflix, Google, and Amazon are pissed off about the FCC repealing net neutrality laws, but others never followed them. Verizon and AT&T love favoring their content over all else, but Verizon doesn't seem to care about things that aren't as profitable.


Why should They?
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:19 am

The South Falls wrote:
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Verizon should be punished? Why? For providing the service their customer paid for?

Because doubling data in the middle of an emergency is very scumbaggy, and could risk lives?

"Emergencies" happen all the time in a big country such as the US, it's not a magic event that happens once every decade.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:19 am

Firaxin wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Net neutrality is a lie and doesn't actually exist.

:rofl:

Now I see what you guys mean by NS Summer.

That's not NS summer, NS summer is egregious shitposting
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Reasons why I became a Socialist.

You want a stronger government after a situation in which the government failed?

Also, we don't know by how much it was throttled.
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Postby Firaxin » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:28 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Firaxin wrote:
Reasons why I became a Socialist.

You want a stronger government after a situation in which the government failed?

Also, we don't know by how much it was throttled.

Socialism doesnt require a stronger government, but yes I do want a stronger government.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:31 am

Firaxin wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:You want a stronger government after a situation in which the government failed?

Also, we don't know by how much it was throttled.

Socialism doesnt require a stronger government, but yes I do want a stronger government.


Weak governments are bad at enforcing rules.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:46 am

So geting rid of NN was a bad idea? Verizon fucking over people? Trump electing some corrupt dick bag after his promise to drain the swamp?

Imagine my shock

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Verizon are in the wrong and have admitted it.



Admissions made under duress don't count Fart.


So by that logic anyone who confesses to a crime, that admission doesn't count.



That is some mental gymnastics right there.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:52 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:So geting rid of NN was a bad idea? Verizon fucking over people? Trump electing some corrupt dick bag after his promise to drain the swamp?

Imagine my shock



Telconi wrote:
Admissions made under duress don't count Fart.


So by that logic anyone who confesses to a crime, that admission doesn't count.



That is some mental gymnastics right there.


Someone doesn't know how any of this works.
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