Florida Does Away With Separation of Church And State

[Washington Resistance Army]

Wasn't this a bipartisan thing though?

Of course. The Soviets were going to eat babies and kick puppies. Even then who was going to say much with the left over stench of McCarthyism was still in the air.

No I mean the Florida thing. It would be kinda odd for it to be a move for the base of the GOP when a Democrat was the one who started the whole thing.

[Esternial]

What a non-event.

[The Black Forrest]

Of course. The Soviets were going to eat babies and kick puppies. Even then who was going to say much with the left over stench of McCarthyism was still in the air.

No I mean the Florida thing. It would be kinda odd for it to be a move for the base of the GOP when a Democrat was the one who started the whole thing.

Oh sorry.

Actually I am not sure as to vote count.

I do know about the sponsor being a democrat and of course has a ministry. She has suggested when you remove God; you remove hope as in that will make the after effects of Parkland better and possibly prevent future cases.

When you break it down the phrase is meant to remind people God is everywhere. It doesn't stop them from doing shitty things to each other.

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Found rep to demo count is 71 to 46.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-flo ... story.html

[Fahran]

Christians don't use "god"

Fair enough. Religious groups can for the most part employ "God" when discussing their supreme being or primordial force or universal law, however. Spinoza did it. Most polytheists do it at one time or another. It doesn't explicitly establish a state church or religion.

The official cut over was in the 50s as a response to the dreaded commies. Sure there was a 2 cent piece in the 1800s and it should be pointed out it was for religious reasons. Over all money was " E pluribus unum" The only President who had it removed was Teddy.

That was within his power to do, certainly, and I'm not inclined to complain. However, there's no moral or legal principle that mandates the removal of this motto from our currency or emblems. In this case, the legislature approved it on a bipartisan basis.

This is nothing more then a move for the Christian base of the republicans.

Pandering, while vulgar and wrongheaded, does not necessarily violate the establishment clause, so long as the policy can pass the Lemon test. I do not believe that we should favor particular religions or enact religious laws through the apparatus of a secular state, but this falls far short of either of those things.

[The Black Forrest]

Christians don't use "god"

Fair enough. Religious groups can for the most part employ "God" when discussing their supreme being or primordial force or universal law, however. Spinoza did it. Most polytheists do it at one time or another. It doesn't explicitly establish a state church or religion.

You have to look at the people behind the effort. They are not Spinoza followers (I wonder how many even know who he was?). They are not polytheists (well not sure if you have Hindus in the goverment of Florida).

It may not establish a state religion. It does give preference to one. They are not thinking of religion in general.

The official cut over was in the 50s as a response to the dreaded commies. Sure there was a 2 cent piece in the 1800s and it should be pointed out it was for religious reasons. Over all money was " E pluribus unum" The only President who had it removed was Teddy.

That was within his power to do, certainly, and I'm not inclined to complain. However, there's no moral or legal principle that mandates the removal of this motto from our currency or emblems. In this case, the legislature approved it on a bipartisan basis.
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You have the vote count? Haven't found it yet.

Overall, it's a dog whistle to distract people who should be looking into what the 400 million is really going for.....

[The Serbian Empire]

A Democrat pushed this? And this is why the South won't rise again.

[Fahran]

You have to look at the people behind the effort. They are not Spinoza followers (I wonder how many even know who he was?).

Most philosophers who have followed him have had to grapple with his philosophy. Spinoza is a giant by most accounts. I'm not certain courts should be in the business of contemplating the motives behind individual laws, as such a policy would dramatically increase the power and partisanship in the judicial branch. In any case, with regard to the motive, the sponsor does not seem to have been seeking the promotion of Christianity in the context. Their rationalization is a bit obtuse, but not really theocratic.

They are not polytheists (well not sure if you have Hindus in the goverment of Florida).

I'm Jewish. I do not argue in support such policies, as I'm presently doing, because they further the Jewish faith. They exist quite independently in point of fact.

It may not establish a state religion. It does give preference to one. They are not thinking of religion in general.

How can you be so sure?

You have the vote count? Haven't found it yet.

Sadly, I do not. I'm going off of WRA's assertion that it was proposed by a Democrat, which appears to be a true statement.

Overall, it's a dog whistle to distract people who should be looking into what the 400 million is really going for.....

Which is?

[Fahran]

A Democrat pushed this? And this is why the South won't rise again.

It does show a refreshing flexibility within Democratic ranks.

[Petrasylvania]

Fair enough. Religious groups can for the most part employ "God" when discussing their supreme being or primordial force or universal law, however. Spinoza did it. Most polytheists do it at one time or another. It doesn't explicitly establish a state church or religion.

You have to look at the people behind the effort. They are not Spinoza followers (I wonder how many even know who he was?). They are not polytheists (well not sure if you have Hindus in the goverment of Florida).

It may not establish a state religion. It does give preference to one. They are not thinking of religion in general.

Spinoza was also a bitter fuck who ended up becoming the world's very first emo.

[Fahran]

Spinoza was also a bitter fuck who ended up becoming the world's very first emo.

"The Enlightenment, secularism, and liberalism all emerged from the emo subculture, which originated with Spinoza." That's actually the hottest take I've ever seen. And here I was thinking that Kierkegaard or Nietzsche would be the world's first emo.

[Kramanica]

>In God We Trust will now appear in schools

It doesn't violate separation of church and state. Get over it.

[Valgora]

Having "In God We Trust" as our national motto is a violation of the First Amendment.

[Vassenor]

Having "In God We Trust" as our national motto is a violation of the First Amendment.

But without it the communists will win.

[Kramanica]

Having "In God We Trust" as our national motto is a violation of the First Amendment.

No it isn't.

[Sovaal]

Having "In God We Trust" as our national motto is a violation of the First Amendment.

But without it the communists will win.

Don't you guys literally have your monarch as head of the Church of England?

[Kramanica]

But without it the communists will win.

Don't you guys literally have your monarch as head of the Church of England?

I'm sure if Vass had her way the Church of England would be disbanded.

Mosques would be okay, though.

[Valgora]

Having "In God We Trust" as our national motto is a violation of the First Amendment.

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Having a national motto that clearly is about the Abrahamic God (perhaps more specifically, the Christian version of said God) violates the First Amendment.

[Sovaal]

Having "In God We Trust" as our national motto is a violation of the First Amendment.

No it isn't.

One could make a fair argument it is.

[Sovaal]

Don't you guys literally have your monarch as head of the Church of England?

I'm sure if Vass had her way the Church of England would be disbanded.

Mosques would be okay, though.

I think I'll take her words on that.

[Vassenor]

But without it the communists will win.

Don't you guys literally have your monarch as head of the Church of England?

So we're doing the NO U thing?

Plus the monarchy has no real power anyway.

[Vassenor]

Don't you guys literally have your monarch as head of the Church of England?

I'm sure if Vass had her way the Church of England would be disbanded.

Mosques would be okay, though.

How big of a shovel do you need to try and force all those things I never said into my mouth?

[Parcia]

I dont actually see a problem with this, i grew up in the DCPS school system and while its shit, did enjoy it.

I dont really see how this changes anything.

[Sovaal]

Don't you guys literally have your monarch as head of the Church of England?

So we're doing the NO U thing?

Plus the monarchy has no real power anyway.

My point is that just because technically separation of church and state has been broken doesn't mean some totalitarian theocracy will emerge that persecute minority religions.

[Zanera]

'In God We Trust' now must be displayed in all Florida schools, school buildings

As students return to school this week in Florida, they will see something new: "In God We Trust."

Gov. Scott signed a bill in March that requires all schools to display signs with the state motto in "a conspicuous place."

The measure is part of a sweeping education bill signed into law in March by Gov. Rick Scott, which includes the nation's first ever private school voucher program for bullied students.

The state statute (1003.44) specifically says, "Each district school board shall adopt rules to require, in all of the schools of the district and in each building used by the district school board, the display of the state motto, “In God We Trust,” designated under s. 15.0301, in a conspicuous place."

The measure was sponsored by Rep. Kimberly Daniels, D-Jacksonville, who runs a Christian ministry, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

“This motto is inscribed on the halls of this great capitol and inked on our currency, and it should be displayed so that our children will be exposed and educated on this great motto, which is a part of this country’s foundation,” she said when a House committee took up her bill (HB 839). “Something so great should not be hidden.”

“In God We Trust” has been part of Florida’s state seal since 1868 and on the state flag since 1900, but has been the state motto only since 2006, according to the Florida Department of State.

Locally, St. Lucie Public Schools has provided all schools with a front office poster "to meet the expectations of this statute," according to Kerry Padrick, the district's chief communications officer.

The Palm Beach County School District emailed all principals two signs, telling them to print one and post in a conspicuous place in each of their school buildings.

Okeechobee County schools have all been provided with the state seal which displays this statement and are required to display it "in a prominent spot on each campus."

WPTV has reached out to all five local school districts and will update this story when we receive their responses.

Obviously, this is complete bullshit and shoots down any talking point about Christians facing persecution in the United States. Is the Separation of Church and State an absolute must? I say yes.

No Jim, I think that would be E pluribus unum.

As for the Floridians wanting to put plaques of In God We Trust in schools, I guess it's a matter of principle that maybe it should be taken down out of the concept of separation of church and State. Practically, it wouldn't concern me. I'd probably look at it once and never look at it again until some edgelord spray-painted or penciled it.

[Sovaal]

I'm sure if Vass had her way the Church of England would be disbanded.

Mosques would be okay, though.

How big of a shovel do you need to try and force all those things I never said into my mouth?

Funny, since you just did the same thing to me...