A Week in a Haunted House

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yep. That's why we have so many ''eye witness accounts'' of Big Foot sightings, and yet, no concrete evidence about Big Foot actually existing.

Oh, silly me. Sorry Harry, I forgot about your movie being proof!

[United Muscovite Nations]

So the lesson here isn't that ghosts wander around, because this "ghost" had to be summoned. The lesson here is either:
A) The spirits of the dead can be summoned through witchcraft and necromancy, or
B) Fraudulent hucksters tricked people into thinking they could talk to the dead even back in Biblical times.

Ghosts can be summoned, though that is sinful. They do exist, though.

If ghosts can be summoned, why does the Prophet Abraham angrily rubuke the rich man when he asks that Lazarus warn his family about Hell?

[Geneviev]

Ghosts can be summoned, though that is sinful. They do exist, though.

If ghosts can be summoned, why does the Prophet Abraham angrily rubuke the rich man when he asks that Lazarus warn his family about Hell?

He's only told that it won't help his family if the prophets didn't help.

[United Muscovite Nations]

If ghosts can be summoned, why does the Prophet Abraham angrily rubuke the rich man when he asks that Lazarus warn his family about Hell?

He's only told that it won't help his family if the prophets didn't help.

In which case there's no logical reason for ghosts to be sent from the dead. The Prophet rebuked the very idea that it should happen. And it cannot happen if God does not will it to happen.

[Geneviev]

He's only told that it won't help his family if the prophets didn't help.

In which case there's no logical reason for ghosts to be sent from the dead. The Prophet rebuked the very idea that it should happen. And it cannot happen if God does not will it to happen.

It can not happen to convert people who are still alive. If someone already believes, then God may allow ghosts to come to them so they can pray for the ghost.

[United Muscovite Nations]

In which case there's no logical reason for ghosts to be sent from the dead. The Prophet rebuked the very idea that it should happen. And it cannot happen if God does not will it to happen.

It can not happen to convert people who are still alive. If someone already believes, then God may allow ghosts to come to them so they can pray for the ghost.

If they already believe, why would they not already be praying for the dead?

[Geneviev]

It can not happen to convert people who are still alive. If someone already believes, then God may allow ghosts to come to them so they can pray for the ghost.

If they already believe, why would they not already be praying for the dead?

They should already be praying for the dead, but sometimes a person in Purgatory will need prayer and no one will be praying for them.

[Swiabar]

I want those fat stacks.

[The New California Republic]

If they already believe, why would they not already be praying for the dead?

They should already be praying for the dead, but sometimes a person in Purgatory will need prayer and no one will be praying for them.

So...they are let out of Purgatory so that they can haunt people and then people pray to them?? What a load of nonsense.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

They should already be praying for the dead, but sometimes a person in Purgatory will need prayer and no one will be praying for them.

So...they are let out of Purgatory so that they can haunt people and then people pray to them?? What a load of nonsense.

I think we need to be careful about using the Bible as ''literal proof'' of ghost sightings today. We can't lose sight that it is a historical record too, and it wasn't written in a vacuum. How the people at the time explained certain phenomena needs to be taken into consideration. Also, if you are a believer, do not lose sight that God may very well have changed the rules of the game at certain points.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

The United Kingdom has many haunted houses, it seems England is one of the world's most haunted place.

Your friend will give you 10,000 USD if you stay one of the most haunted houses in the United Kingdom for a week. The following conditions are further imposed:

1. You must go there and stay there alone.
2. You can't bring anything besides change of clothes, food supplies for a week, and basic toiletries, and a simple camera.
3. You may not leave the haunted house at all for the duration of the week, you must sleep there as well for the whole week.
4. When entering the house, you have to say out loud while recording yourself with the above camera:
"There are no such thing as ghosts. COME AT ME NOW! I DARE YOU!"

If ANY of the above is not done... you don't get your 10,000 USD.

Assume that it is legal to enter the haunted house and take up residence there.

Oh and also... your friend calls you a "chicken" if you refuse. I thought it fitting to mention this.

So, would you do it? Why or why not? Do you believe in ghosts?

I would not do it. 10,000 USD is a lot of money, however, I don't want to be cursed. Its not worth the risk. You cannot rule out the supernatural by default.

Nope, and not becasue it’s “haunted”(don’t believe there is such a thing), but because I’m not going to waste a week of my life for a measly 10 grand.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

So...they are let out of Purgatory so that they can haunt people and then people pray to them?? What a load of nonsense.

I think we need to be careful about using the Bible as ''literal proof'' of ghost sightings today. We can't lose sight that it is a historical record too, and it wasn't written in a vacuum. How the people at the time explained certain phenomena needs to be taken into consideration. Also, if you are a believer, do not lose sight that God may very well have changed the rules of the game at certain points.

“Purgatory” is not mentioned in the Bible and is just something that the Roman Catholic Church pulled out of their ass.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I think we need to be careful about using the Bible as ''literal proof'' of ghost sightings today. We can't lose sight that it is a historical record too, and it wasn't written in a vacuum. How the people at the time explained certain phenomena needs to be taken into consideration. Also, if you are a believer, do not lose sight that God may very well have changed the rules of the game at certain points.

“Purgatory” is not mentioned in the Bible and is just something that the Roman Catholic Church pulled out of their ass.

I'm not talking about Purgatory. I'm talking about Bible literalism and how one needs to be careful about that. Try and relax.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

“Purgatory” is not mentioned in the Bible and is just something that the Roman Catholic Church pulled out of their ass.

I'm not talking about Purgatory. I'm talking about Bible literalism and how one needs to be careful about that. Try and relax.

Purgatory was brought up and you brought up Bibical literalism. I replied saying that purgatory is not found in the Bible.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm not talking about Purgatory. I'm talking about Bible literalism and how one needs to be careful about that. Try and relax.

Purgatory was brought up and you brought up Bibical literalism. I replied saying that purgatory is not found in the Bible.

I'm not talking about Purgatory doctrine. I brought up Bible literalism because there are posters engaging in that. Purgatory doctrine aside.

[Luminesa]

I think we need to be careful about using the Bible as ''literal proof'' of ghost sightings today. We can't lose sight that it is a historical record too, and it wasn't written in a vacuum. How the people at the time explained certain phenomena needs to be taken into consideration. Also, if you are a believer, do not lose sight that God may very well have changed the rules of the game at certain points.

“Purgatory” is not mentioned in the Bible and is just something that the Roman Catholic Church pulled out of their ass.

As someone who has claimed he was once so incredibly devout and faithful the Church that he went to Adoration six times more per day than John Paul II did a day, I would presume you have actually taken the time to actually read what the Church teaches. After all, Adoration is a perfect place to read your Bible and to meditate on God’s Word. We have two books of the Catholic Bible called the Books of Maccabees. In one of these books (I forget if it’s 1 or 2), a group of Jewish soldiers pray for the soul of their departed comrade, who died wearing a charm around his neck. While the Jewish people do not believe in a Purgatory, the Catholic Church teaches that in a similar manner, we pray for souls who have died in sin, that God may show mercy on them. We also have St. Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians. In it, he says that all of our foundations, our spiritual lives, shall be tested by fire. Those whose foundations are found to be strong enough, after purification, join God in Paradise. So no. It is not something the Church made-up out of thin air. Rather, you have not taken the time to study your faith.

[The New California Republic]

“Purgatory” is not mentioned in the Bible and is just something that the Roman Catholic Church pulled out of their ass.

As someone who has claimed he was once so incredibly devout and faithful the Church that he went to Adoration six times more per day than John Paul II did a day, I would presume you have actually taken the time to actually read what the Church teaches. After all, Adoration is a perfect place to read your Bible and to meditate on God’s Word. We have two books of the Catholic Bible called the Books of Maccabees. In one of these books (I forget if it’s 1 or 2), a group of Jewish soldiers pray for the soul of their departed comrade, who died wearing a charm around his neck. While the Jewish people do not believe in a Purgatory, the Catholic Church teaches that in a similar manner, we pray for souls who have died in sin, that God may show mercy on them. We also have St. Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians. In it, he says that all of our foundations, our spiritual lives, shall be tested by fire. Those whose foundations are found to be strong enough, after purification, join God in Paradise. So no. It is not something the Church made-up out of thin air. Rather, you have not taken the time to study your faith.

But are ghosts released from Purgatory so people can pray for them, as has been claimed earlier?

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

“Purgatory” is not mentioned in the Bible and is just something that the Roman Catholic Church pulled out of their ass.

As someone who has claimed he was once so incredibly devout and faithful the Church that he went to Adoration six times more per day than John Paul II did a day, I would presume you have actually taken the time to actually read what the Church teaches. After all, Adoration is a perfect place to read your Bible and to meditate on God’s Word. We have two books of the Catholic Bible called the Books of Maccabees. In one of these books (I forget if it’s 1 or 2), a group of Jewish soldiers pray for the soul of their departed comrade, who died wearing a charm around his neck. While the Jewish people do not believe in a Purgatory, the Catholic Church teaches that in a similar manner, we pray for souls who have died in sin, that God may show mercy on them. We also have St. Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians. In it, he says that all of our foundations, our spiritual lives, shall be tested by fire. Those whose foundations are found to be strong enough, after purification, join God in Paradise. So no. It is not something the Church made-up out of thin air. Rather, you have not taken the time to study your faith.

And I believe the Protestant response to the RCC’s claim that their is such a place as “purgatory” holds far more weight. You know, since there actually reading what’s in the fucking book rather than coming up with their own interpretation.

And I’m going to end this debate right now, because you said the RCC is “my faith”. It’s not. Have a nice day.

[Ifreann]

Ghosts can be summoned, though that is sinful. They do exist, though.

If ghosts can be summoned, why does the Prophet Abraham angrily rubuke the rich man when he asks that Lazarus warn his family about Hell?

Because if the rich man's family do not already follow the teachings of Moses and the prophets then a man risen from the dead won't convince them to change their ways.

Jimmy Richman should have asked a witch to summon him.

[Luminesa]

As someone who has claimed he was once so incredibly devout and faithful the Church that he went to Adoration six times more per day than John Paul II did a day, I would presume you have actually taken the time to actually read what the Church teaches. After all, Adoration is a perfect place to read your Bible and to meditate on God’s Word. We have two books of the Catholic Bible called the Books of Maccabees. In one of these books (I forget if it’s 1 or 2), a group of Jewish soldiers pray for the soul of their departed comrade, who died wearing a charm around his neck. While the Jewish people do not believe in a Purgatory, the Catholic Church teaches that in a similar manner, we pray for souls who have died in sin, that God may show mercy on them. We also have St. Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians. In it, he says that all of our foundations, our spiritual lives, shall be tested by fire. Those whose foundations are found to be strong enough, after purification, join God in Paradise. So no. It is not something the Church made-up out of thin air. Rather, you have not taken the time to study your faith.

And I believe the Protestant response to the RCC’s claim that their is such a place as “purgatory” holds far more weight. You know, since there actually reading what’s in the fucking book rather than coming up with their own interpretation.

And I’m going to end this debate right now, because you said the RCC is “my faith”. It’s not. Have a nice day.

It was once your faith. And you claimed to have been so close to the Church. I was responding to what seemed to be a very simple misunderstanding for someone who spent as much time in church as many contemplative nuns (legit, there is a religious order that spends their entire life in Eucharistic Adoration. Their habits are also pink). Eucharistic Adoration generally produces an incredibly deep spiritual life, and allows much time for reading the Bible, so I was confused by your very angry response.

Also, you believe in Protestant doctrine? I thought you were an atheist. And then you seem to forget that Protestantism is founded specifically around the fact that a believer can make their own interpretation of the Bible, in fact, and that one does not require priests and bishops to do so for them. What John Calvin would have called part of the “common priesthood of the faithful”, I think. (Someone please correct me if I have this concept wrong.) If you do believe in Protestantism, however, perhaps one day you ought to sit down with Martin Luther’s last words: “We are all beggars, this much is true.”

[The New California Republic]

And I believe the Protestant response to the RCC’s claim that their is such a place as “purgatory” holds far more weight. You know, since there actually reading what’s in the fucking book rather than coming up with their own interpretation.

And I’m going to end this debate right now, because you said the RCC is “my faith”. It’s not. Have a nice day.

It was once your faith. And you claimed to have been so close to the Church. I was responding to what seemed to be a very simple misunderstanding for someone who spent as much time in church as many contemplative nuns (legit, there is a religious order that spends their entire life in Eucharistic Adoration. Their habits are also pink). Eucharistic Adoration generally produces an incredibly deep spiritual life, and allows much time for reading the Bible, so I was confused by your very angry response.
Seriously, let's not turn this into a Catholicism Vs Protestantism debate, as it's entirely irrelevant to the thread topic, and I don't want to see the mods locking it because the think it has been irrevocably derailed.

Also, you believe in Protestant doctrine? I thought you were an atheist. And then you seem to forget that Protestantism is founded specifically around the fact that a believer can make their own interpretation of the Bible, in fact, and that one does not require priests and bishops to do so for them. What John Calvin would have called part of the “common priesthood of the faithful”, I think. (Someone please correct me if I have this concept wrong.) If you do believe in Protestantism, however, perhaps one day you ought to sit down with Martin Luther’s last words: “We are all beggars, this much is true.”

Seriously, let's not turn this into a Catholicism Vs Protestantism debate, it isn't the subject of the thread, and I'd hate to see a fairly amusing thread get locked because the mods feel it has been irrevocably threadjacked.

[Diopolis]

If they already believe, why would they not already be praying for the dead?

They should already be praying for the dead, but sometimes a person in Purgatory will need prayer and no one will be praying for them.

Most ghosts are not out of purgatory to seek prayers. Most are out of purgatory as part of the penance.
Of course, that is assuming said ghosts are from purgatory to begin with- there also exist ghosts from hell, who are far nastier.

[Absolon-7]

They should already be praying for the dead, but sometimes a person in Purgatory will need prayer and no one will be praying for them.

Most ghosts are not out of purgatory to seek prayers. Most are out of purgatory as part of the penance.
Of course, that is assuming said ghosts are from purgatory to begin with- there also exist ghosts from hell, who are far nastier.

Says who? For all you know those ghosts mights just want to go to Starbucks, nevermind that ghosts are not real.

[Auze]

It was once your faith. And you claimed to have been so close to the Church. I was responding to what seemed to be a very simple misunderstanding for someone who spent as much time in church as many contemplative nuns (legit, there is a religious order that spends their entire life in Eucharistic Adoration. Their habits are also pink). Eucharistic Adoration generally produces an incredibly deep spiritual life, and allows much time for reading the Bible, so I was confused by your very angry response.
Seriously, let's not turn this into a Catholicism Vs Protestantism debate, as it's entirely irrelevant to the thread topic, and I don't want to see the mods locking it because the think it has been irrevocably derailed.

Also, you believe in Protestant doctrine? I thought you were an atheist. And then you seem to forget that Protestantism is founded specifically around the fact that a believer can make their own interpretation of the Bible, in fact, and that one does not require priests and bishops to do so for them. What John Calvin would have called part of the “common priesthood of the faithful”, I think. (Someone please correct me if I have this concept wrong.) If you do believe in Protestantism, however, perhaps one day you ought to sit down with Martin Luther’s last words: “We are all beggars, this much is true.”

Seriously, let's not turn this into a Catholicism Vs Protestantism debate, it isn't the subject of the thread, and I'd hate to see a fairly amusing thread get locked because the mods feel it has been irrevocably threadjacked.

Seconded. Plus, the CDT has been on the same topic for awhile and could use the topic change.

[Luminesa]

It was once your faith. And you claimed to have been so close to the Church. I was responding to what seemed to be a very simple misunderstanding for someone who spent as much time in church as many contemplative nuns (legit, there is a religious order that spends their entire life in Eucharistic Adoration. Their habits are also pink). Eucharistic Adoration generally produces an incredibly deep spiritual life, and allows much time for reading the Bible, so I was confused by your very angry response.
Seriously, let's not turn this into a Catholicism Vs Protestantism debate, as it's entirely irrelevant to the thread topic, and I don't want to see the mods locking it because the think it has been irrevocably derailed.

Also, you believe in Protestant doctrine? I thought you were an atheist. And then you seem to forget that Protestantism is founded specifically around the fact that a believer can make their own interpretation of the Bible, in fact, and that one does not require priests and bishops to do so for them. What John Calvin would have called part of the “common priesthood of the faithful”, I think. (Someone please correct me if I have this concept wrong.) If you do believe in Protestantism, however, perhaps one day you ought to sit down with Martin Luther’s last words: “We are all beggars, this much is true.”

Seriously, let's not turn this into a Catholicism Vs Protestantism debate, it isn't the subject of the thread, and I'd hate to see a fairly amusing thread get locked because the mods feel it has been irrevocably threadjacked.

He was talking about Purgatory, I responded. That's all there was to it.